Would anyone else like Time Breakers to appear in Super?

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Would anyone else like Time Breakers to appear in Super?

Post by Xeztin » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:05 pm

I think if they were going to adapt it from Heroes, tying it into or having it after the FT arc would be the time to do it. They could have all this time-warping/traveling in this arc be the eventual cause of it. Time Breaker Bardock and Vegeta would be cool to see. Then after that it could lead to a Towa/Mira arc and then a Demigra arc. I'd love to see xeno characters too, the only bad thing is we've already had 2 arcs with Goku/Vegeta look a likes.

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Post by DragonBallFoodie » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:18 pm

It would perhaps be nice to make part of the Xenoverse canon, and the Time Breakers and Time Patrol do sound like a legitimate choice what with all the time-travel ramifications occurring.

I don't know myself if this can/should happen or not.
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Re: Would anyone else like Time Breakers to appear in Super?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:26 pm

With all the time stuff happening, I would like to see something like this play out.
We had whis rewind time in ROF, Hit time-leap in the tournament, and now FT Trunks traveling between timelines again.

But I can't see current Toriyama come up with something like this of his own. Most likely Toei staff would be the ones to introduce him this idea and he would work from there.
I think this is the best scenario. Toei has the best ideas, but they need Toriyama's help to work them out.
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Re: Would anyone else like Time Breakers to appear in Super?

Post by SaiyanGod117 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:56 pm

No I would like to see new fresh ideas.

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Post by Kagari » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:55 pm

If it meant using Time Patrol to get more characters involved, sure.

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Post by Bullza » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:42 pm

SaiyanGod117 wrote:No I would like to see new fresh ideas.
Yeah let the games to do it's own thing with that whole Time Patrol vs Time Breakers thing and let the series do it's own thing.

I might have at one point but I'd rather all that and the Demigra, Towa and Mira stuff be fleshed out in the Xenoverse games and have something new and different for the series.

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Post by PMD » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:11 am

Of course I would like them to appear. Miira and Towa are really cool characters and the entire gang is also really interesting. Also, that would mean they would include Time Patrol and Time Kaios, which I think are great characters.

I'm curious to see how they will build all this to that, but they already gave Trunks the clothe under that black jacket from Xenoverse and Heroes, so it's a hint. All this time travelling thing makes me wonder if Trunks will end up regreting all his travels and try to make it up being the new Time Patrolman.

With all this been said, there's nothing I would like more in the anime that Demigra makes his great introduction.

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Post by HeroR » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:06 am

Given how time travel works in Dragon Ball Super, the Time Breakers and the stuff from Xenoverse and even Online can't fit.

In this week's episode, Gawasu states that a new Time Ring is created when a new world/timeline is created with the silver Time Ring being the original. There is nothing about timelines only being changed because of bad or faulty time machines, especially since both Gawasu and Whis says that traveling to the past for any reason is strictly forbidding even for the gods. There is also only five Time Rings, showing that traveling and manipulating time is extremely rare, and even the Time Rings can go into the future, never the past. The only reason why Black got to the past was because Trunks' time machine made a rift and he was sucked back the minute the rift healed. So the Time Breakers going back into the past and screwing time wouldn't effect whatever timeline they're trying to create, it would just make new timeline and more Time Rings. Which also means there is no point to having Time Patrollers or a Supreme Kai of Time.

I also disagree with Toei having the best ideas. Their ideas tend to be recycle stories and ideas going by GT. They are good at expanding and improving what Toriyama gives them, not coming up with their own ideas.
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Re: Would anyone else like Time Breakers to appear in Super?

Post by PMD » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:05 am

HeroR wrote:Given how time travel works in Dragon Ball Super, the Time Breakers and the stuff from Xenoverse and even Online can't fit.

In this week's episode, Gawasu states that a new Time Ring is created when a new world/timeline is created with the silver Time Ring being the original. There is nothing about timelines only being changed because of bad or faulty time machines, especially since both Gawasu and Whis says that traveling to the past for any reason is strictly forbidding even for the gods. There is also only five Time Rings, showing that traveling and manipulating time is extremely rare, and even the Time Rings can go into the future, never the past. The only reason why Black got to the past was because Trunks' time machine made a rift and he was sucked back the minute the rift healed. So the Time Breakers going back into the past and screwing time wouldn't effect whatever timeline they're trying to create, it would just make new timeline and more Time Rings. Which also means there is no point to having Time Patrollers or a Supreme Kai of Time.
I think all this explanation is not an argument to say Time Breakers wouldn't fit in DBS. Remember that those Time Rings that Gowasu protect are from Universe 10 only. Time Breakers would appear in U7. We don't know anything about those rings in U7.

Also, "time travel is forbidden". So what? They're bad guys haha

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Post by HeroR » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:09 am

PMD wrote:
HeroR wrote:Given how time travel works in Dragon Ball Super, the Time Breakers and the stuff from Xenoverse and even Online can't fit.

In this week's episode, Gawasu states that a new Time Ring is created when a new world/timeline is created with the silver Time Ring being the original. There is nothing about timelines only being changed because of bad or faulty time machines, especially since both Gawasu and Whis says that traveling to the past for any reason is strictly forbidding even for the gods. There is also only five Time Rings, showing that traveling and manipulating time is extremely rare, and even the Time Rings can go into the future, never the past. The only reason why Black got to the past was because Trunks' time machine made a rift and he was sucked back the minute the rift healed. So the Time Breakers going back into the past and screwing time wouldn't effect whatever timeline they're trying to create, it would just make new timeline and more Time Rings. Which also means there is no point to having Time Patrollers or a Supreme Kai of Time.
I think all this explanation is not an argument to say Time Breakers wouldn't fit in DBS. Remember that those Time Rings that Gowasu protect are from Universe 10 only. Time Breakers would appear in U7. We don't know anything about those rings in U7.

Also, "time travel is forbidden". So what? They're bad guys haha
It was confirmed that Time Rings exist in all universes and that they are only used by the Supreme Kais. When Gawasu asked why was Beerus and Whis was looking at Time Rings from U10 when the incident happened in U7, Whis made the excuse that they were going universe to universe to make sure all he Time Rings were safe.

They maybe bad guys, but even the gods who have permission to time travel can't go into the past even with the Time Rings, so a being like the Supreme Kai of Time who can supposedly go through time without restraint couldn't exist since Kais are strictly forbidding from messing with the past, and an evildoer couldn't mess up the future anyway from the past since it would just create another world/timeline.
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Re: Would anyone else like Time Breakers to appear in Super?

Post by PMD » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:03 am

HeroR wrote:
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HeroR wrote:Given how time travel works in Dragon Ball Super, the Time Breakers and the stuff from Xenoverse and even Online can't fit.

In this week's episode, Gawasu states that a new Time Ring is created when a new world/timeline is created with the silver Time Ring being the original. There is nothing about timelines only being changed because of bad or faulty time machines, especially since both Gawasu and Whis says that traveling to the past for any reason is strictly forbidding even for the gods. There is also only five Time Rings, showing that traveling and manipulating time is extremely rare, and even the Time Rings can go into the future, never the past. The only reason why Black got to the past was because Trunks' time machine made a rift and he was sucked back the minute the rift healed. So the Time Breakers going back into the past and screwing time wouldn't effect whatever timeline they're trying to create, it would just make new timeline and more Time Rings. Which also means there is no point to having Time Patrollers or a Supreme Kai of Time.
I think all this explanation is not an argument to say Time Breakers wouldn't fit in DBS. Remember that those Time Rings that Gowasu protect are from Universe 10 only. Time Breakers would appear in U7. We don't know anything about those rings in U7.

Also, "time travel is forbidden". So what? They're bad guys haha
It was confirmed that Time Rings exist in all universes and that they are only used by the Supreme Kais. When Gawasu asked why was Beerus and Whis was looking at Time Rings from U10 when the incident happened in U7, Whis made the excuse that they were going universe to universe to make sure all he Time Rings were safe.

They maybe bad guys, but even the gods who have permission to time travel can't go into the past even with the Time Rings, so a being like the Supreme Kai of Time who can supposedly go through time without restraint couldn't exist since Kais are strictly forbidding from messing with the past, and an evildoer couldn't mess up the future anyway from the past since it would just create another world/timeline.
I still think is way too early to talk about this. We don't even know who Black is and why he's from the future, so why already discard the Time Breakers introduction without more deep information? I understand your point (and thank you for reminding me that every universe has Time Rings, I just forgot, my bad) but I don't think is enough to dismiss a possible arc about the Time Breakers, Supreme Kaios of Time and the Time Patrol.

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Post by HeroR » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:41 am

I am not dismissing the Time Breakers. They just can't exist in the form they do in Online, Heroes, or Multiverse since time always split when you mess with the past and faulty time machines have nothing to do with it. This can changed, but as of now, it seems that making any changes to the past, regardless of method, creates a new timeline and a new Time Ring.

I also never understood the goal of the Time Breakers. Why exactly are the messing with time? If it's all to avenge Dabura, shouldn't they be messing with Babidi who enslaved Dabura and Buu who actually killed him. Why are the screwing with Goku and the others?
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Post by FoolsGil » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:17 am

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Omni-King decides to create a Time Patrol after all this stuff with Black is dealt with.

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HeroR wrote: I also never understood the goal of the Time Breakers. Why exactly are the messing with time? If it's all to avenge Dabura, shouldn't they be messing with Babidi who enslaved Dabura and Buu who actually killed him. Why are the screwing with Goku and the others?
I thought their main goal was to create the ultimate warrior (searching for Goku's DNA) in order to rule everything.
FoolsGil wrote:I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Omni-King decides to create a Time Patrol after all this stuff with Black is dealt with.
I think the same.

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Post by MCDaveG » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:45 am

Yeah, why not, but I am starting to suspect a little, that this is the second arc to the end, which I think will end with Multiverse tournament and DB Super will then end in April, next year.
Unless, the show will prove to be succesfull and they will come with more stories.

If the time breakers will come to action, it will have sense now as Future Trunks is present in this arc, so it can branch off from Black.
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MCDaveG wrote:Yeah, why not, but I am starting to suspect a little, that this is the second arc to the end, which I think will end with Multiverse tournament and DB Super will then end in April, next year.
Is that info confirmed or just your mere speculation about who-knows-what?

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PMD wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:Yeah, why not, but I am starting to suspect a little, that this is the second arc to the end, which I think will end with Multiverse tournament and DB Super will then end in April, next year.
Is that info confirmed or just your mere speculation about who-knows-what?
''but I am starting to suspect a little'' should be selfexplanatory. It is what I, myself am expecting from the show.
And recent runs of DB Kai and other franchise aspects nowadays had taught me, that I should expect less.
+ the time of changing series on Fuji TV is around April, when the one year run ends.

If there will be more beyond April, then I will be happy :)
But yeah, as of now, we have nothing that will confirm or deny anything about Super's run.
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PMD wrote:
HeroR wrote: I also never understood the goal of the Time Breakers. Why exactly are the messing with time? If it's all to avenge Dabura, shouldn't they be messing with Babidi who enslaved Dabura and Buu who actually killed him. Why are the screwing with Goku and the others?
I thought their main goal was to create the ultimate warrior (searching for Goku's DNA) in order to rule everything.
FoolsGil wrote:I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Omni-King decides to create a Time Patrol after all this stuff with Black is dealt with.
I think the same.
If they just wanted Goku's blood, then there is no need to break time. Especially since Goku bleeds everywhere.

I personally never liked the Time Breakers since they seem to only exist to give a thinly veil excuse to replay Dragon Ball history. I will give credit to Demigra, however, for having a real reason for wanting to screw over time.
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HeroR wrote:
PMD wrote:
HeroR wrote: I also never understood the goal of the Time Breakers. Why exactly are the messing with time? If it's all to avenge Dabura, shouldn't they be messing with Babidi who enslaved Dabura and Buu who actually killed him. Why are the screwing with Goku and the others?
I thought their main goal was to create the ultimate warrior (searching for Goku's DNA) in order to rule everything.
FoolsGil wrote:I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Omni-King decides to create a Time Patrol after all this stuff with Black is dealt with.
I think the same.
If they just wanted Goku's blood, then there is no need to break time. Especially since Goku bleeds everywhere.
What that even supposed to mean?

Time Breakers are centuries far from Goku's timeline.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:42 am

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SaiyanGod117 wrote:No I would like to see new fresh ideas.
Yeah let the games to do it's own thing with that whole Time Patrol vs Time Breakers thing and let the series do it's own thing.

I might have at one point but I'd rather all that and the Demigra, Towa and Mira stuff be fleshed out in the Xenoverse games and have something new and different for the series.
Agreed. Let the concepts introduced in video games stay in video games and be expanded with their own medium and not be shoehorned into the anime.

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