The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Anime Kitten » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:56 pm

LightBing wrote:You think Trunks is that much stronger than the other Saiyans that the fight format won't have an effect? Someone could stay in the sidelines until the others tire, for example.
I really would like for people to envision the situation.
Sorry. I don't know much about the Majin Saga (Buu for some here). I'd say power-wise it's Future Trunks, but skill-wise, it depends. Who would stay in the sidelines?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:11 pm

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LightBing wrote:You think Trunks is that much stronger than the other Saiyans that the fight format won't have an effect? Someone could stay in the sidelines until the others tire, for example.
I really would like for people to envision the situation.
Sorry. I don't know much about the Majin Saga (Buu for some here). I'd say power-wise it's Future Trunks, but skill-wise, it depends. Who would stay in the sidelines?
That's for people to imagine, based on the characters. Vegeta is pretty sneaky, maybe he could convince people to gang up on who he thought was strongest, getting an advantage by stabbing them in the back later.
Goku could try to preserve his energy by trying to dispose of the weakest first.
These are just scenarios I'm throwing. Do you see what I mean?

If you think Trunks would just dispose of everyone with overwhelming power, that's one opinion. I was just double checking.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:18 pm

LightBing wrote:That's for people to imagine, based on the characters. Vegeta is pretty sneaky, maybe he could convince people to gang up on who he thought was strongest, getting an advantage by stabbing them in the back later.
Goku could try to preserve his energy by trying to dispose of the weakest first.
These are just scenarios I'm throwing. Do you see what I mean?

If you think Trunks would just dispose of everyone with overwhelming power, that's one opinion. I was just double checking.
I get you. I'd say Goku and Gohan would be training (yes, I'm aware they're from different eras :P), then Goku beats Gohan since the latter needs to control his power better. Vegeta takes this opportunity to attack Goku. Future Trunks arrives and shoots Goku off the scene to fight Vegeta (being his son and all). Goku playfully attacks Trunks to get back at him, therefore catching him off-guard and defeating him. Goku most likely wins against Vegeta since he's not powered up by Babidi.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:27 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
LightBing wrote:That's for people to imagine, based on the characters. Vegeta is pretty sneaky, maybe he could convince people to gang up on who he thought was strongest, getting an advantage by stabbing them in the back later.
Goku could try to preserve his energy by trying to dispose of the weakest first.
These are just scenarios I'm throwing. Do you see what I mean?

If you think Trunks would just dispose of everyone with overwhelming power, that's one opinion. I was just double checking.
I get you. I'd say Goku and Gohan would be training (yes, I'm aware they're from different eras :P), then Goku beats Gohan since the latter needs to control his power better. Vegeta takes this opportunity to attack Goku. Future Trunks arrives and shoots Goku off the scene to fight Vegeta (being his son and all). Goku playfully attacks Trunks to get back at him, therefore catching him off-guard and defeating him. Goku most likely wins against Vegeta since he's not powered up by Babidi.

How's that? :D
Nice, that's the type of answer I was hoping for. Thanks.
Poor Gohan, fodder material. Goku took quite some unprotected damage, I don't think he would pull off the final fight against Vegeta. :think:

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Anime Kitten » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:33 pm

LightBing wrote:Poor Gohan, fodder material. Goku took quite some unprotected damage, I don't think he would pull off the final fight against Vegeta. :think:
Yeah, you're right. I guess Vegeta uses Goku's tiredness to his advantage and wins.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:00 am

LightBing wrote:Battle Royal of the SSJ2:
Goku(Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks(Super) vs Vegeta (Boo Arc) vs Gohan (Cell Games) - Only one may survive

Damaged SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Kibitoshin
- Since I sorta subscribe to the poorly named "two bases" theory, I'd say that Trunks isn't massively stronger than the other Super Saiyan 2s. Either Goku and Vegeta immediately start fighting each other, and Trunks quickly beats Gohan and finishes whoever is left over, or Goku and Vegeta work togethet to get Gohan and Trunks out of the way so they can fight each other without distractions. You can flip a coin to see who wins then.

- Under normal circumstances, Gohan would fodderize Kibitoshin. But if he's already got a broken arm and has only half of his strength left, the fused Kaioshin shouldn't have any issues winning the battle, especially since Gohan wouldn't have the external motivation to unleash his full strength like he did against Cell.
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Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (Shadow Dragons Arc) VS Base Vegito (Majin Saga)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by MaxZ » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:17 am

Analytic wrote:
LightBing wrote:King Cold vs Base Vegeta (Cell Games)
I have Base Vegeta closing in on Android #18 at this point. Cold gets a foot through his chest.
what. there's not a chance of that. not even in the Buu Saga is there a chance base Vegeta rivals the androids. base Vegeta couldn't even stand a chance against Frieza.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by MaxZ » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:21 am

Berserker1921 wrote:Zamasu runs the gauntlet; no magic or absorbing

1. Bojack
2. Super perfect Cell
3. Ssj2 Gohan (cell saga)
4. Majin Vegeta
5. Ssj2 Goku (buu saga)
6. Fat Buu
7. Kid Buu
8. Ssj3 Goku (buu saga)
9. Super Buu
10. Ssj3 gotenks
11. Ultimate Gohan
12. Buuhan
he can probably make it as far as fat Buu, and maybe fight somewhat evenly with fat Buu. he loses to everything past that.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:49 am

LightBing wrote:Damaged SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Kibitoshin
For Kibitoshin to think he could have helped against Kid Boo I think he must have been pretty strong. He had a front row seat for Goku, Vegeta and Gohan as SSJ2s, so I assume he's at least sitting in that general realm of power with some pretty potent magical abilities to boot. Gohan would need to be 100% to be able to compete and even then I don't like his odds.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:59 am

LightBing wrote:Battle Royal of the SSJ2:
Goku(Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks(Super) vs Vegeta (Boo Arc) vs Gohan (Cell Games) - Only one may survive

Damaged SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Kibitoshin
If goku is bloodlusted, he blows up the planet while taking off to kaio planet using IT.
Otherwise trunks stomps.

Kibitoshin should win based on what hints we have about him so far.

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LightBing wrote:Damaged SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Kibitoshin
For Kibitoshin to think he could have helped against Kid Boo I think he must have been pretty strong. He had a front row seat for Goku, Vegeta and Gohan as SSJ2s, so I assume he's at least sitting in that general realm of power with some pretty potent magical abilities to boot. Gohan would need to be 100% to be able to compete and even then I don't like his odds.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:11 pm

Maybe those who "don't do video game characters" should wait until there's a matchup without them? I dunno, just seems like it'd be a good idea. Anyway...

Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Battle of Gods) VS First Form Frieza (Resurrection 'F')
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Post by apex_pretador » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:45 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Maybe those who "don't do video game characters" should wait until there's a matchup without them? I dunno, just seems like it'd be a good idea. Anyway...

Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Battle of Gods) VS First Form Frieza (Resurrection 'F')
Super Saiyan 2 BoG Goku should be around the level of mr buu at best. This power level, with the combined power of a weakened gohan, was supposed to hold off freeza before goku & vegeta come. However,Super Saiyan Gohan, who was on a similar level of power (scaling from tagoma < Ginyu Tagoma), was weaker than freeza by a significant margin. While it can be argued that the massive gap was due to gohan losing power as he said he can't maintain SS, he himself made it clear that freeza was more powerful.

Freeza wins.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:14 pm

Super Saiyan Cabba (Universal Tournament Arc) VS Unweakened* Golden Frieza (Resurrection 'F')

*NOT during his fight with Vegeta
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:20 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Super Saiyan Cabba (Universal Tournament Arc) VS Unweakened* Golden Frieza (Resurrection 'F')

*NOT during his fight with Vegeta
This is pretty clear.

Super Saiyan vegeta >> SS Cabba
But Super Saiyan BLUE Vegeta < Golden freeza. Yes vegeta improved a bit but not to a point that his regular super saiyan would dwarf SSB from RoF arc.
Freeza kills cabba, then blows up the planet.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:38 pm

1) Teen Gohan (if he had trained for a year with both Goku and Piccolo in the Other World following the Cell Games) vs. A hypothetical Super Saiyan Vegeta (if he had been the one to achieve Super Saiyan to defeat Frieza and spent half a year training in extreme gravity).

2) A hypothetical Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Teen Gohan (the same one I had already mentioned to fight Super Saiyan Vegeta from above) vs. Goku Black.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LightBing » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:22 am

apex_pretador wrote:If goku is bloodlusted, he blows up the planet while taking off to kaio planet using IT.
Otherwise trunks stomps.
I don't think Goku would use such tactics in any circumstance.
Anime Kitten wrote:Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Battle of Gods) VS First Form Frieza (Resurrection 'F')
0%/100% - I believe that in the movie Goku was intended to be at SSJG level in base, since the movie is a strict continuation from Battle of Gods. Frieza pokes Goku playfully and he disintegrates.
Anime Kitten wrote:Super Saiyan Cabba (Universal Tournament Arc) VS Unweakened* Golden Frieza (Resurrection 'F')
*NOT during his fight with Vegeta
0%/100% - I don't have Cabba even near to the Gods, such a massive gap in power makes him a dead Saiyan, unaware of the hell he's about to face.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Teen Gohan (if he had trained for a year with both Goku and Piccolo in the Other World following the Cell Games) vs. A hypothetical Super Saiyan Vegeta (if he had been the one to achieve Super Saiyan to defeat Frieza and spent half a year training in extreme gravity).

2) A hypothetical Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Teen Gohan (the same one I had already mentioned to fight Super Saiyan Vegeta from above) vs. Goku Black.
0%/100% - I assume this Base Gohan, if that's the case he's dead meat. I don't believe anyone can touch a SSJ in Base at that junction of the story.

100%/0% - The wind Gohan creates while rushing is enough to break every bit of Black's body. He's only around SSJ3 tier, can't even scratch someone who's at a God level.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:50 am

Anime Kitten wrote:Maybe those who "don't do video game characters" should wait until there's a matchup without them? I dunno, just seems like it'd be a good idea. Anyway...

Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Battle of Gods) VS First Form Frieza (Resurrection 'F')
- First Form Freeza dwarfed everyone in power, to the point where Gohan (who still retains some of his Ultimate power) point-blank says he has no chance of beating him. There's virtually no way that a SS2 Goku would be anywhere near that level.
Super Saiyan Cabba (Universal Tournament Arc) VS Unweakened* Golden Frieza (Resurrection 'F')
- Even if I didn't subscribe to the two bases theory, and all of the Universal Tournament fighters did dwarf everyone from the Boo arc for no good reason, there's still a massive power difference between Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan Blue. Cabba gets murdered even if Freeza was weakened.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Teen Gohan (if he had trained for a year with both Goku and Piccolo in the Other World following the Cell Games) vs. A hypothetical Super Saiyan Vegeta (if he had been the one to achieve Super Saiyan to defeat Frieza and spent half a year training in extreme gravity).

2) A hypothetical Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Teen Gohan (the same one I had already mentioned to fight Super Saiyan Vegeta from above) vs. Goku Black.
- No real way to tell, but I doubt Gohan would get much stronger than 100% Freeza without Super Saiyan, whereas Vegeta would be sitting up there at is Android arc starting level. Gohan almost assuredly loses.

- Until we know more about Black, I can't say how he'd match up to anyone beyond the SS2 tier.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:28 am

Zamasu vs. Magetta

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Post by MaxZ » Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:09 am

Android 17 VS Piccolo, if their fight in the Cell Arc was allowed to continue (assume no interruption by 18, 16, or Cell)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Khin » Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:14 am

MaxZ wrote:Android 17 VS Piccolo, if their fight in the Cell Arc was allowed to continue (assume no interruption by 18, 16, or Cell)
Android 17 wins. Piccolo was already losing in their fight until Cell interrupted.

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