"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Chiki]

In reality, there are no contradictions with anything I said and the fact that you didn't bother to point out any shows it. You're not much of a debater.

http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Sentai_Pink

"Pink is always female (with the exception of one)"

I meant pink MALE power ranger. I'm typing on mobile so sorry if that wasn't clear.

No it was not clear, thanks for clarfying. Though you disprove your sentence right there, there is a male pink ranger. And even if there wasn't, that doesn't disprove my point that pink isn't seen as feminine in Japan.

It does disprove it since if pink were masculine, or neutral there would be more pink male power rangers.

[Kanassa]

In reality, there are no contradictions with anything I said and the fact that you didn't bother to point out any shows it. You're not much of a debater.

http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Sentai_Pink

"Pink is always female (with the exception of one)"

I meant pink MALE power ranger. I'm typing on mobile so sorry if that wasn't clear.

No it was not clear, thanks for clarfying. Though you disprove your sentence right there, there is a male pink ranger. And even if there wasn't, that doesn't disprove my point that pink isn't seen as feminine in Japan.

It does disprove it since if pink were masculine, or neutral there would be more pink male power rangers.

Why would there automatically be more?

[Chiki]

Because then there would be no reason to consistently make the pink power ranger female. If that bias did not exist, we could have an equal number of male or female pink rangers.

[GodKaio-Ken]

In reality, there are no contradictions with anything I said and the fact that you didn't bother to point out any shows it. You're not much of a debater.

http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Sentai_Pink

"Pink is always female (with the exception of one)"

I meant pink MALE power ranger. I'm typing on mobile so sorry if that wasn't clear.

No it was not clear, thanks for clarfying. Though you disprove your sentence right there, there is a male pink ranger. And even if there wasn't, that doesn't disprove my point that pink isn't seen as feminine in Japan.

It does disprove it since if pink were masculine, or neutral there would be more pink male power rangers.

That isn't really fair. You can't judge how an entire culture perceives something based on the Power Rangers.

[Krillin1994]

Dragonball has used pink for several creatures Buyon, Dodoria and Buu spring to mind. Are any of them particularly feminine?

Also other anime use pink in a non feminine way. Doflamingo and Natsu coming up in conversation are definitely valid.


The whole nature of Vegeta's angst at wearing a Pink shirt was a social comment really on these middle aged men who get all uncomfortable at the thought of wearing Pink because it isn't manly.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Another weeks break mid September for Super.

[PMD]

I agree with you, but at the same time I can't take anything seriously that has ''IT'S CURRENT YEARS, DUDES!" in it.

Oh, c'mon. That's an empty statement. Just another guy trying to act cool. Try harder next time.

Sorry, but Kanassa's right. It is incredibly difficult to take CURRENT YEAR seriously. It's a worthless non-argument.
Sorry for butting in on this debate like this, but I felt like I needed to bring in some sources.

Bad use of those sources, my friend, you have to put things in context to provide a good comparison of what I said earlier. I'm not trying to act like a smart-ass or anything by saying "It's 2016", I just pointed out that we should get over those arguments about colour being a reference of some things, with those things implying some dangerous messages. And Kanassa just ripped off my opinion just taking the "It's 2016" out of context instead of supporting (if it's true that he agrees with me) the real message: enough with "pink is a feminine reference (no shit, by the way), so let's not put it in male characters so they don't look weaker or funny." It just doesn't add anything potable or interesting to the debate... it sounds more like someone with a pretty basic opinion trying to make a big deal out of something really stupid. That, and the fact that, if you say that, you're implying that if you look feminine you look weak (a very sexist thing to say), and THAT'S what you shouldn't take seriously, not some oh-I'm-so-cool bull crap about chronological snobbery (not even used properly in this debate). Do you see my point?

(If you want to go deeper, we can't talk semiology any time, but in this context it'll not be really funny, and I'm not that good enough with english to follow you guys, to be honest haha)


With all this been said (and again, sorry if my english is not perfect, I must practice), I want to remind you that I'm against SSJ Rosé, so let's hope they come up with a solid excuse to use that transformation or it will be just another random Bandai idea like blue-hair-Future-Trunks.

Dragonball has used pink for several creatures Buyon, Dodoria and Buu spring to mind. Are any of them particularly feminine?

Also other anime use pink in a non feminine way. Doflamingo and Natsu coming up in conversation are definitely valid.


The whole nature of Vegeta's angst at wearing a Pink shirt was a social comment really on these middle aged men who get all uncomfortable at the thought of wearing Pink because it isn't manly.

Thank you, that's an amazing comment.

[Krillin1994]

Dragonball has used pink for several creatures Buyon, Dodoria and Buu spring to mind. Are any of them particularly feminine?

Also other anime use pink in a non feminine way. Doflamingo and Natsu coming up in conversation are definitely valid.


The whole nature of Vegeta's angst at wearing a Pink shirt was a social comment really on these middle aged men who get all uncomfortable at the thought of wearing Pink because it isn't manly.

Thank you, that's an amazing comment.

Sarcasm or genuine?

[MCDaveG]

And most importantly, pink is sexyyy
SSSJ, Sexy Super Saiya-jin!

Can't wait for Goku Black to use some signature moves like Sexy-dama, Sexy-kameha or Sexy Fist.

[Noah]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I'm not a fan of the color, but this actually looks nice, I guess.

[Dbzfan94]

Are people really that butthurt about pink? Sure I didn't like it at first glance but doesn't look that bad. I'd rather have white (or a non-recolor altogether, but pink is okay.

We should wait to at least see it in the anime before you guys get all up-in-arms. I think a brighter now virbrant like ala Buu could be pretty cool

[Chiki]

God Kaioken: it's not a coincidence that every pink power ranger apart from one is female so yeah I'd say its a cultural issue.

Dragonball has used pink for several creatures Buyon, Dodoria and Buu spring to mind. Are any of them particularly feminine?

Also other anime use pink in a non feminine way. Doflamingo and Natsu coming up in conversation are definitely valid.


The whole nature of Vegeta's angst at wearing a Pink shirt was a social comment really on these middle aged men who get all uncomfortable at the thought of wearing Pink because it isn't manly.

I've addressed this argument many many times. Super Saiyan Rose is not a natural pink color like Natsu's. It is an all powerful transformation in which the color of the hair and aura is emphasized. Natsu's natural hair color is not.

Anyways I'm done talking about this in this thread since I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable by talking about Super Saiyan Victoria's Secret.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Are people really that butthurt about pink? Sure I didn't like it at first glance but doesn't look that bad. I'd rather have white (or a non-recolor altogether, but pink is okay.

We should wait to at least see it in the anime before you guys get all up-in-arms. I think a brighter now virbrant like ala Buu could be pretty cool

I agree White would have definitely been a better choice but Pink is typical Toriyama, subverting expectations! I agree best to take the wait and see approach about SSR. We still don't know what the shade of Pink the anime will use or how the aura will look etc. It could turn out to look pretty sweet.

[Kanassa]

And Kanassa just ripped off my opinion just taking the "It's 2016" out of context instead of supporting (if it's true that he agrees with me) the real message: enough with "pink is a feminine reference (no shit, by the way), so let's not put it in male characters so they don't look weaker or funny."

I wasn't ripping off your opinion, I was saying that I found that ''It's 2016'' was a ridiculous notion towards the argument; as pointed out it was a fallacy. Even then that statement was only a small part of my post while the other talked about the part of your post I thought was asinine. So no, I do not think the statement was empty (Though I could of explained myself more), and no, I did not make it in some ridiculous attempt to be 'cool' (Which I still do not get). THough in all fairness, the bulk of my post was edited in after I accidentally hit the post button.

[Krillin1994]

God Kaioken: it's not a coincidence that every pink power ranger apart from one is female so yeah I'd say its a cultural issue.

Dragonball has used pink for several creatures Buyon, Dodoria and Buu spring to mind. Are any of them particularly feminine?

Also other anime use pink in a non feminine way. Doflamingo and Natsu coming up in conversation are definitely valid.


The whole nature of Vegeta's angst at wearing a Pink shirt was a social comment really on these middle aged men who get all uncomfortable at the thought of wearing Pink because it isn't manly.

I've addressed this argument many many times. Super Saiyan Rose is not a natural pink color like Natsu's. It is an all powerful transformation in which the color of the hair and aura is emphasized. Natsu's natural hair color is not.

Anyways I'm done talking about this in this thread since I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable by talking about Super Saiyan Victoria's Secret.

Pink hair is not a natural colour, we are talking about animation.

[Chiki]

I meant natural in the sense that it's natural for him, obviously. I didnt mean that it's natural in real life lol.

[Smilodon]

I'm effin tired of that "oh, pink is feminine, ugh" narrative. It's 2016, fellas. Your manhood is not in danger if you watch an anime when someone/something has that colour on it, and is not a sign of weakness. Get over that bs.

PS: These guys send their regards

I'm not upset about pink color. But what makes me upset is all those transformations. We have the normal SSJ yellow...And now we have SSJ Red, SSJ Blue...And in future we will have SSJ White (according to Akira). And SSJ Pink...Come on, 5 colors? Really? After this will be SSJ Rainbow?
It's enough of colored transformations. We need something different!

[Bullza]

Ehhh I'd rather have Super Saiyan Rose Black than Super Saiyan Yellow Black. At least it's something slightly different and new to discuss.

[Krillin1994]

I meant natural in the sense that it's natural for him, obviously. I didnt mean that it's natural in real life lol.

So you're happy with a 'natural pink' but not pink as a transformed state?

[Chuquita]

It's pale pink with teal eyes.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Making me lean towards the "It's a warped version of ssjblue or ssj" theory.
Source: http://itest.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime/1470571798

Also episode summaries:[spoiler][/spoiler]

Writers:
55 - Tomioka
56 - King Ryû
57 - Toshio