Reason why Zamasu may or not be be Black

[fadeddreams5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSdIs4ZUMkY

Based on the Heroes trailer, I believe Zamasu both created Goku Black and is Black at the same time. In the trailer, he's wearing the other potara Black is missing. Perhaps when you use a potara on a dead body, fusion does not occur. Instead, the will of the living person may be in control of the newly reanimated body, but the ki becomes different, matching the living individual's.

[Beerus-sama]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSdIs4ZUMkY

Based on the Heroes trailer, I believe Zamasu both created Goku Black and is Black at the same time. In the trailer, he's wearing the other potara Black is missing. Perhaps when you use a potara on a dead body, fusion does not occur. Instead, the will of the living person may be in control of the newly reanimated body, but the ki becomes different, matching the living individual's.

He has it on the same ear as Black.

[Amph]

i come to the conclusion that black is zamasu, in the future, he become evil and in someway turned in goku maybe he steal his body

[SSJ Human]

Now I'm thinking they are one in the same again, based off this past episode. The green potora earring on both can mean only one thing, unless there's some other twist coming up.

[GodKaio-Ken]

One has to wonder why Gowasu would show so much faith in Zamasu when he's obviously saying some greatly disturbing things. I have to wonder if he is in training to be a Kaioshin simply due to his fighting ability...which seems slightly odd. He doesn't seem to have many positive traits as far as his job title would be concerned


It does seem like they are going the simple route of Zamasu = Black after the last episode but we will see.

[ClinicalBM]

I think Zamasu will need to split his evil part to become a Kaioshin completely in the future. Like Kami once did to become the earth Guardian. This completely evil Zamasu will overpower the then completely good one and his boss. He will become or maybe create Goku Black somehow. I think this because the time-ring will have a blur in U-7 when traveling there for the first time as well due to Trunks altering time or simply by visiting dead Goku's body of Trunks time-line in other world. Though since he knew Vegeta and since I don't think Vegeta would have a body in other world in Trunks time due to his poor past up that point, I think he went to the point when Trunk went the first time with the time machine, thus just after the Frieza saga. This also explain why Goku Black is still in his 20's or at least looks like that. It could also be during the Android Saga, then after getting Goku's body the time-ring dragged him back to Trunks current time. This also explain why Black is still building up power. He's basically a Kai-Saiyan with immense Zenkai ability.

I thus think this evil Zamasu stole Goku’s body somehow and is Goku Black. I say this as he said when they met each other the first time in the present world - “I wanted to fight you in this body.” Clearly stating that he took someone's (Goku's) body.
Either with the time-ring and/or in other world and with some Evil Kaioshin technique to swap body's perfectly we don't know about yet (like Ginyu once did to Goku as well). Another scenario could be that this evil Zamasu gathered the Super Dragon Balls in Trunks timeline and wished for the ultimate Saiyan body as he saw Goku's insane potential, thus Goku’s body to be his.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Black isn't Zamasu. Black's from future Trunks' trimeline...where chi-chi (evilness and hatred incarnate) was never killed...logically she shed her mortal form and took on the form of her dead husband. I don't get how people don't see this. it's so obvious. What else do you think Chi-Chi would do when she loses people to nag to death?

[sintzu]

I think Black is the Yellow Kai who's with Zamasu.

Zamasu is always talking negatively about Mortals while the other Kai defends them but I think a mortal killed future Zamasu so the other Kai decided he was right and took on Goku's look for some reason to make his dream come true by killing all of them.

[Cipher]

Now that we know there are rings that can access alternate timelines, it seems like there's a pretty simple route for the Zamasu Goku just fought to become Black in Turnks' future.

We'd need a reason for him to want to target that future, however, as well as a reason for his familiarity with Vegeta when he arrived in the present a few episodes back (as well as for his confusion over the alternate timeline in general).

We have a route for it to happen, but the details don't quite line up yet. I really can't predict what will happen! That's exciting.

I don't think it's possible for the Zamasu we met to be Black with the way time travel works in this series. If he's in Trunks' timeline causing destruction, how can he also simultaneously be in Universe 10 when Beerus and co. come to visit? If Zamasu somehow is Black, it would have to be a different version of him, but that would be a version that never would've met Gokuu and have no reason to take on that appearance. But maybe it's possible that the Zamasu we met travels to meet himself in a separate timeline and gives his other self the idea of stealing Gokuu's body to cause destruction...but then the question would be, why would he go that route rather than just taking care of things himself?

I think at this time, I'm more on board with him either creating Black, or that Black was split off from him ala Piccolo and God. But the single Potara Black wears that matches Gowasu's is still causing me to wonder what's really going on...

It's not something we've seen from the series before, but if he winds up going into Trunks' future at some point, he could return to the past and exist at the same time as his "past" self without violating any of the series' time-travel rules we've come to know.

We could even wind up with the circular causality of Goku "creating" Black by interacting with Zamasu without violating the series' logic. We've never ha someone jump into the future before -- only into the past, which creates splinter timelines.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Now that we know there are rings that can access alternate timelines, it seems like there's a pretty simple route for the Zamasu Goku just fought to become Black in Turnks' future.

*snip*

We could even wind up with the circular causality of Goku "creating" Black by interacting with Zamasu without violating the series' logic. We've never ha someone jump into the future before -- only into the past, which creates splinter timelines.

I hate the idea of the circular causality here. As the currently painted picture creates a headache of a paradox that even the previous clusterfuck of Cell Arc time travel didn't succumb to. So I really hope something else spurred Black's creation in Trunks' timeline and the gang have only set another Zamasu problem into motion that will need to be dealt with. As Goku wouldn't have even met with Zamasu and set things in motion if Goku Black didn't already exist and cause Trunks to come back and...set things in motion.

The only thing I can think of for now to rectify this is that perhaps main timeline Zamasu would have been made drastically more cautious of mortals at Zeno's tournament and picked Goku after seeing him there, and Trunks unexpectedly butting into the timeline and allowing events to be altered just speeds up the process? I don't know.

[Black_Liger]

The reason Zamasu is not black is because he's green.



I'll go now.

[Shi_Neko13]

I really love the mystery going on here and hope it's awhile before they reveal everything. It's hinted at that Zamasu is probably Black or created him or something, (it might even be Gowasu, I don't trust either one of them), but obviously the creation of Black is independent of MainTimeline Zamasu and company. I don't think the Zamasu we met will become Black either. I have a good feeling that at some point the 2 of them will fuse and become the Big bad for this Arc. Seeing as how we now know that the green time rings go to the alternate timelines, Zamasu will probably use the one that leads him to Trunks's future. Gowasu mentioning that opposite ears will fuse you was not some throwaway line, it's most likely foreshadowing to the Zamasu/Black fusion.

[nite_jay]

I don't necessarily think Zamasu is Black yet. I think that they are playing this up so much to bring in a twist at some point; and I think they will reveal this twist when they go to the future.

[ClinicalBM]

I think Zamasu will need to split his evil part to become a Kaioshin completely in the future. Like Kami once did to become the earth Guardian. This completely evil Zamasu will overpower the then completely good one and his boss. He will become or maybe create Goku Black somehow. I think this because the time-ring will have a blur in U-7 when traveling there for the first time as well due to Trunks altering time or simply by visiting dead Goku's body of Trunks time-line in other world. Though since he knew Vegeta and since I don't think Vegeta would have a body in other world in Trunks time due to his poor past up that point, I think he went to the point when Trunk went the first time with the time machine, thus just after the Frieza saga. This also explain why Goku Black is still in his 20's or at least looks like that. It could also be during the Android Saga, then after getting Goku's body the time-ring dragged him back to Trunks current time. This also explain why Black is still building up power. He's basically a Kai-Saiyan with immense Zenkai ability.

I thus think this evil Zamasu stole Goku’s body somehow and is Goku Black. I say this as he said when they met each other the first time in the present world - “I wanted to fight you in this body.” Clearly stating that he took someone's (Goku's) body.
Either with the time-ring and/or in other world and with some Evil Kaioshin technique to swap body's perfectly we don't know about yet (like Ginyu once did to Goku as well). Another scenario could be that this evil Zamasu gathered the Super Dragon Balls in Trunks timeline and wished for the ultimate Saiyan body as he saw Goku's insane potential, thus Goku’s body to be his.

Called it .

[HeroR]

I think Zamasu will need to split his evil part to become a Kaioshin completely in the future. Like Kami once did to become the earth Guardian. This completely evil Zamasu will overpower the then completely good one and his boss. He will become or maybe create Goku Black somehow. I think this because the time-ring will have a blur in U-7 when traveling there for the first time as well due to Trunks altering time or simply by visiting dead Goku's body of Trunks time-line in other world. Though since he knew Vegeta and since I don't think Vegeta would have a body in other world in Trunks time due to his poor past up that point, I think he went to the point when Trunk went the first time with the time machine, thus just after the Frieza saga. This also explain why Goku Black is still in his 20's or at least looks like that. It could also be during the Android Saga, then after getting Goku's body the time-ring dragged him back to Trunks current time. This also explain why Black is still building up power. He's basically a Kai-Saiyan with immense Zenkai ability.

I thus think this evil Zamasu stole Goku’s body somehow and is Goku Black. I say this as he said when they met each other the first time in the present world - “I wanted to fight you in this body.” Clearly stating that he took someone's (Goku's) body.
Either with the time-ring and/or in other world and with some Evil Kaioshin technique to swap body's perfectly we don't know about yet (like Ginyu once did to Goku as well). Another scenario could be that this evil Zamasu gathered the Super Dragon Balls in Trunks timeline and wished for the ultimate Saiyan body as he saw Goku's insane potential, thus Goku’s body to be his.

Called it .

You were partly wrong though. Zamasu in Trunks' timeline wasn't the one who took over Goku's body. He also didn't wish for Goku's body, he switch bodies with him.

[ClinicalBM]

I think Zamasu will need to split his evil part to become a Kaioshin completely in the future. Like Kami once did to become the earth Guardian. This completely evil Zamasu will overpower the then completely good one and his boss. He will become or maybe create Goku Black somehow. I think this because the time-ring will have a blur in U-7 when traveling there for the first time as well due to Trunks altering time or simply by visiting dead Goku's body of Trunks time-line in other world. Though since he knew Vegeta and since I don't think Vegeta would have a body in other world in Trunks time due to his poor past up that point, I think he went to the point when Trunk went the first time with the time machine, thus just after the Frieza saga. This also explain why Goku Black is still in his 20's or at least looks like that. It could also be during the Android Saga, then after getting Goku's body the time-ring dragged him back to Trunks current time. This also explain why Black is still building up power. He's basically a Kai-Saiyan with immense Zenkai ability.

I thus think this evil Zamasu stole Goku’s body somehow and is Goku Black. I say this as he said when they met each other the first time in the present world - “I wanted to fight you in this body.” Clearly stating that he took someone's (Goku's) body.
Either with the time-ring and/or in other world and with some Evil Kaioshin technique to swap body's perfectly we don't know about yet (like Ginyu once did to Goku as well). Another scenario could be that this evil Zamasu gathered the Super Dragon Balls in Trunks timeline and wished for the ultimate Saiyan body as he saw Goku's insane potential, thus Goku’s body to be his.

Called it .

You were partly wrong though. Zamasu in Trunks' timeline wasn't the one who took over Goku's body. He also didn't wish for Goku's body, he switch bodies with him.

What makes you say that? He did so in Trunks timeline. In "our" timeline he died. Also I did say took goku's body and I was talking about switiching body's above and how he did it. jadjadja. Fair enough the wish was a complete body swap.

[dbgtFO]

Called it .

You were partly wrong though. Zamasu in Trunks' timeline wasn't the one who took over Goku's body. He also didn't wish for Goku's body, he switch bodies with him.

What makes you say that? He did so in Trunks timeline. In "our" timeline he died. Also I did say took goku's body and I was talking about switiching body's above and how he did it. jadjadja. Fair enough the wish was a complete body swap.

There are 5 timelines according to the amount of time rings, and the Cell Arc had 3 confirmed and another implied.
The Zamasu we see fight alongside Black is without doubt the Zamasu resident of Future Trunks' timeline, whereas the Zamasu known as Goku-Black is not native to either the main or Trunks' timeline, so he comes from another timeline, likely the 4th timeline, though there's still a question over the supposed 5th timeline "created by some idiot a few years ago".