"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[dbgtFO]

So what are the chances when Goku fights Black, he'll use his base form first and fight evenly? You know, to screw with the power level fans.

Works for me

Awesome, Goku back in his signature clothes!

What
He's been wearing that since the Copy Vegeta arc!

I really don't understand why so many people think the arc is already ending, we haven't even gotten to the "Series of desperate situations for Goku and Vegeta", if any thing this fight will be the start of the main meat of the arc.

It's just pessimism really. People would rather not expect too much, so they don't get that disappointed, if it turns out that we indeed won't be getting that big of an arc after all.
As far as I'm expected, I do dread that we are already close to the end of this arc.

[Chiki]

So what are the chances when Goku fights Black, he'll use his base form first and fight evenly? You know, to screw with the power level fans.

That would actually confirm the two base theory, so yes please.

[kinisking]

Piccolo did beat Frost fairly though.

This is your idea of a win ?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the one who says Vegeta beat golden Freeza? At least piccolo isn't dead in that picture.

[HeroR]

Again, he acknowledged that vegeta's growth, not his strength. Gohan never grew in strength, in fact he did the opposite so I don't think they cared. Plus who cares about their aknowledgement? Vegeta, who knows Gohan personally, aknowledged Gohan as having more potential. If anything, them not aknowledging gohan has to do with the out of universe writers simply not caring about him.

Having the most potential means absolute shit if you don't do anything with it, just asked Freeza who lazy ass attitude got him killed by opponents that he would have eating alive if he trained. Whis acknowledged Vegeta's growth because it was noticeable and it showed Vegeta was willing to humble himself to get better. Gohan has no such drive, so he never caught Whis nor Beerus' notice, despite the fact that power-wise he was stronger than Vegeta.

[namekiansaiyan]

Piccolo did beat Frost fairly though.

This is your idea of a win ?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Frost cheated simple as that. Piccolo conceded his win so Vegeta does not become impatient.

[sintzu]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the one who says Vegeta beat golden Freeza? At least piccolo isn't dead in that picture.

Vegeta's death got reversed so his fight ended with him standing over a defeated Freeza before Goku killed him.

If Whis rewound time to before he got poisoned and someone warned him and he won then I'd consider it a win as well.

Frost cheated simple as that.

Which makes things worse cause he was called the tactical fighter of the group so he should've figured out that something wasn't right about Frost.

[kinisking]

Again, he acknowledged that vegeta's growth, not his strength. Gohan never grew in strength, in fact he did the opposite so I don't think they cared. Plus who cares about their aknowledgement? Vegeta, who knows Gohan personally, aknowledged Gohan as having more potential. If anything, them not aknowledging gohan has to do with the out of universe writers simply not caring about him.

Having the most potential means absolute shit if you don't do anything with it, just asked Freeza who lazy ass attitude got him killed by opponents that he would have eating alive if he trained. Whis acknowledged Vegeta's growth because it was noticeable and it showed Vegeta was willing to humble himself to get better. Gohan has no such drive, so he never caught Whis nor Beerus' notice, despite the fact that power-wise he was stronger than Vegeta.

I can agree with this. I'm just saying beerus and whis being interested in Goku and Vegeta doesn't really mean they're any more special than Gohan or any of the other half saiyans.

[namekiansaiyan]

Frost cheated simple as that.

Which makes things worse cause he was called the tactical fighter of the group so he should've figured out that something wasn't right about Frost.

So you are saying that every fighter should assume that everyone on the other side is cheating.

[PMD]

I hope it does end that quick as I hate this arc currently as it is so slow and boring with too much Goku. After episode 55 there will be no Whis and Beerus and we are left with Goku fighting non-stop, Vegeta talking about pride and Trunks having nightmares which did not exactly happen in the Cell arc.

I want Goku Black to fuse with Goku and then kill Vegeta so Trunks has to return to the current timeline, so we can have variety and unpredictability in the show.

You keep saying predictable, but none of your supposed predicts ever come true. Like how you were sure everyone would have a 'black' character. If this arc is as predicted as you keep claiming, then most of your guesses should be right. The closest you have gotten so far is the Gohan episode. And you were just wrong in many key points last arc. Like you saying Piccolo would beat Frost despite that being a 'predictable' outcome, especially with the fake titles.

Honestly, all your posts read like a bitter fanboy. Just admit it. The show isn't predictable as you keep claiming. You're just mad because you favorite character isn't important anymore.

How do you know there won't be any more Black characters. Piccolo did beat Frost fairly though, you can't take in stupid writing from Toriyama in predictions. I also said Vados and Hit were not evil like all of you were predicting but you all ignored me. I said Vegeta would get beaten easily but once again I got ignored. I also said Goku would not beat Hit and universe 6 should win but once again you can't take into consideration Toriyama's bad writing and jokes. Also that stupid thing about Gohan participating even though he was on Earth was ridiculous by the majority of you lot.

Every should expect an anticlimatic ending given the end of the tournament arc.

I will struggle to like this arc or any arc that is just Goku and Vegeta. I would take a worse story for better character usage of the cast than the other way round.

What I also don't get about Toriyama is that apparently he was struggling with what to write after the tournament but he should have made that arc more intersting and longer by either having the earths switch or the final Super Dragon ball not being the nameless planet.

Haha this guy is funny. When he's not right, "Toriyama writes stupid things." C'mon...

I see so many times the sentence: "This is bad written" or "That is bad scripted", as if the majority that said that could write one page of a script properly. Stop those cliché words. A couple of days ago I saw one moderator complaining about that and the word "lazy", and it's true. It's getting ridiculous. So many smart-asses and Mr. Know-It-All guys here, is getting really annoying.

[sintzu]

So you are saying that every fighter should assume that everyone on the other side is cheating.

Piccolo is arguably the smartest fighter in the story so he should've known there was something going on.

Goku isn't very bright and Vegeta gets over confident when he's in control so it would make sense for them to fall for that but not Piccolo.

[kinisking]

So you are saying that every fighter should assume that everyone on the other side is cheating.

Piccolo is arguably the smartest fighter in the story so he should've known there was something going on.

Goku isn't very bright and Vegeta gets over confident when he's in control so it would make sense for them to fall for that but not Piccolo.

I feel like tactics goes to piccolo, but gokus a genius at fighting and has the natural instinct.

[Chiki]

So you are saying that every fighter should assume that everyone on the other side is cheating.

Piccolo is arguably the smartest fighter in the story so he should've known there was something going on.

Goku isn't very bright and Vegeta gets over confident when he's in control so it would make sense for them to fall for that but not Piccolo.

This might come as a surprise to you, but smart people aren't perfect. In Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Dumbledore, who is the smartest person in the series, failed to realize that Moody was a fake until the very end.

Piccolo won fair and square. Frankly you're just biased against anyone who isn't Vegeta since, by your logic, you can also prove that Vegeta lost against Frieza. Frieza destroyed Earth and killed Vegeta, who can't breathe in space, while Frieza survived. Vegeta is a strategic fighter who shouldn't have been so naive!

[MCDaveG]

Awesome, Goku back in his signature clothes!

What
He's been wearing that since the Copy Vegeta arc!

Yes, but not on the summary picture

[namekiansaiyan]

Haha this guy is funny. When he's not right, "Toriyama writes stupid things." C'mon...

I see so many times the sentence: "This is bad written" or "That is bad scripted", as if the majority that said that could write one page of a script properly. Stop those cliché words. A couple of days ago I saw one moderator complaining about that and the word "lazy", and it's true. It's getting ridiculous. So many smart-asses and Mr. Know-It-All guys here, is getting really annoying.

If many people are calling Toriyama lazy then there has to be problems with his writing.

[HeroR]

Haha this guy is funny. When he's not right, "Toriyama writes stupid things." C'mon...

I see so many times the sentence: "This is bad written" or "That is bad scripted", as if the majority that said that could write one page of a script properly. Stop those cliché words. A couple of days ago I saw one moderator complaining about that and the word "lazy", and it's true. It's getting ridiculous. So many smart-asses and Mr. Know-It-All guys here, is getting really annoying.

If many people are calling Toriyama lazy then there has to be problems with his writing.

The internet isn't the majority opinion, despite popular belief. Also, most of the people calling Toriyama lazy are people like you who are bitter that their favorite character isn't getting scene time anymore. All your posts is filled with resentment that Goku, Vegeta, and the newer characters pushed characters like Piccolo off the map. Which is why you want other 'Black' characters so Piccolo can fight fodder and at least look useful.

[Luso Saiyan]

If many people are calling Toriyama lazy then there has to be problems with his writing.

No, that's not how it works.

[TheMikado]

Haha this guy is funny. When he's not right, "Toriyama writes stupid things." C'mon...

I see so many times the sentence: "This is bad written" or "That is bad scripted", as if the majority that said that could write one page of a script properly. Stop those cliché words. A couple of days ago I saw one moderator complaining about that and the word "lazy", and it's true. It's getting ridiculous. So many smart-asses and Mr. Know-It-All guys here, is getting really annoying.

If many people are calling Toriyama lazy then there has to be problems with his writing.

The internet isn't the majority opinion, despite popular belief. Also, most of the people calling Toriyama lazy are people like you who are bitter that their favorite character isn't getting scene time anymore. All your posts is filled with resentment that Goku, Vegeta, and the newer characters pushed characters like Piccolo off the map. Which is why you want other 'Black' characters so Piccolo can fight fodder and at least look useful.

I'm not calling Toriyama lazy but Super hasn't exactly been his best work either. If anything I would think he actually has little involvement in all this.

[dbs fanboy]

I hope it does end that quick as I hate this arc currently as it is so slow and boring with too much Goku. After episode 55 there will be no Whis and Beerus and we are left with Goku fighting non-stop, Vegeta talking about pride and Trunks having nightmares which did not exactly happen in the Cell arc.

I want Goku Black to fuse with Goku and then kill Vegeta so Trunks has to return to the current timeline, so we can have variety and unpredictability in the show.

Look, i get your frustation with the titles, too much Goku is bad, but gosh this arc has been focused more on Trunks than Goku. Why the hell are you repeating this?
Ep 47- Trunks focused episode
Ep 48-Trunks focused episode
Ep 49- Trunks focused episode
Ep 50-Goku vs Black and Trunks development (Trunks/Vegeta moment, Trunks/Beerus moment, Trunks's desesperation)
Ep 51- Trunks/Mai focused episode
Ep 51-Trunks/Gohan episode
Ep 53-Zamasu episode, the only thing that Goku did was fight and be annoying.
Ep 54- Trunks/Zamasu focused episode.

The one having development is Trunks not Goku.
The only thing that Goku has done so far is fighting, you could count his moment with Trunks and how did he make Zamasu hate more the "humans", but so far the most interesting and relevant characters were Trunks, Zamasu, and Black. Even both Whis and Beerus have done more than Goku.

[dbs fanboy]

I'm not calling Toriyama lazy but Super hasn't exactly been his best work either. If anything I would think he actually has little involvement in all this.

Toriyama is not on his prime anymore, that's what i think.
It would be cool if he got more help like a big Team to work with him, helping him to keep the series consistent.

[namekiansaiyan]

Haha this guy is funny. When he's not right, "Toriyama writes stupid things." C'mon...

I see so many times the sentence: "This is bad written" or "That is bad scripted", as if the majority that said that could write one page of a script properly. Stop those cliché words. A couple of days ago I saw one moderator complaining about that and the word "lazy", and it's true. It's getting ridiculous. So many smart-asses and Mr. Know-It-All guys here, is getting really annoying.

If many people are calling Toriyama lazy then there has to be problems with his writing.

The internet isn't the majority opinion, despite popular belief. Also, most of the people calling Toriyama lazy are people like you who are bitter that their favorite character isn't getting scene time anymore. All your posts is filled with resentment that Goku, Vegeta, and the newer characters pushed characters like Piccolo off the map. Which is why you want other 'Black' characters so Piccolo can fight fodder and at least look useful.

I mentioned this already that I prefer seeing a range of characters instead of a really good story. Toriyama deserves to be called lazy as he has developed characters over a long period of time and then suddenly acts as if they don't exist and are just useless. He does this so he does not have to come up ideas for other characters but with Saiyans it is easy as he can just do a new Saiyan form.

Are you seriously telling me this is OK? and that you don't want to the other characters to do anything?

I also bet you are Goku fanboy.

If many people are calling Toriyama lazy then there has to be problems with his writing.

No, that's not how it works.

I thought you would comment. All you post is stuff to do with fact and opinion and it seems like you don't want anyone to discuss anything.

I hope it does end that quick as I hate this arc currently as it is so slow and boring with too much Goku. After episode 55 there will be no Whis and Beerus and we are left with Goku fighting non-stop, Vegeta talking about pride and Trunks having nightmares which did not exactly happen in the Cell arc.

I want Goku Black to fuse with Goku and then kill Vegeta so Trunks has to return to the current timeline, so we can have variety and unpredictability in the show.

Look, i get your frustation with the titles, too much Goku is bad, but gosh this arc has been focused more on Trunks than Goku. Why the hell are you repeating this?
Ep 47- Trunks focused episode
Ep 48-Trunks focused episode
Ep 49- Trunks focused episode
Ep 50-Goku vs Black and Trunks development (Trunks/Vegeta moment, Trunks/Beerus moment, Trunks's desesperation)
Ep 51- Trunks/Mai focused episode
Ep 51-Trunks/Gohan episode
Ep 53-Zamasu episode, the only thing that Goku did was fight and be annoying.
Ep 54- Trunks/Zamasu focused episode.

The one having development is Trunks not Goku.
The only thing that Goku has done so far is fighting, you could count his moment with Trunks and how did he make Zamasu hate more the "humans", but so far the most interesting and relevant characters were Trunks, Zamasu, and Black. Even both Whis and Beerus have done more than Goku.

It is all about Goku but all the destructuon seems to be happening in Future Trunks' timeline.