Do the Video Games do more better than Toriyama?

[keyz05]

I mean, do they? Xenoverse had an interesting story.

[sintzu]

Xenoverse just took Toriyama's story and had you protecting it from changing which is nothing compared to what Toriyama did and continues to do.

[Xeogran]

>Xenoverse interesting story.

Seriously? Even UT was better. Demigra was unexplained and cliche villain who did evil for the sake of doing evil. You played as a main character who couldn't even speak which only added to the lackluster feeling of the whole thing. It also built up on what DB Online already implemented, which explains why Mira and Towa were much better than Demigra.

Out of all the DB games with great side-stories you had to choose the blandest one.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku Black saga is doing a story much better than the story that Shin Budokai 2 give us. Shin Budokai 2 threw almost everything at us badly and felt like a awful fan fiction.

[Grimlock]

Nowadays, no doubt about that.

Really don't know what's going on but some games are bringing ideas that are far more interesting than what Toriyama has done in the past few years. Movie 14 was great, it had content, it had what you should expect from Dragon Ball; comedy, dialogues and some fight, that's what it is Dragon Ball, it added interesting stuff into the lore, such as the Multiverse concept. Then comes Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman, it was good on its own but it's nothing more than that and it doesn't add anything. Then came Dragon Ball Minus that... Well, what can I say about that "project" of a "story"? And then comes Movie 15... A three steps back.

I think now we can say about Gods of Destruction's Tournament... It was generally good on its own, it added Super Shenron and Zeno and those were fantastic, but the tournament itself was meh. Future Trunks saga so far is being meh (to good) to be honest, it has a good content, it has two (or three, can't remember now) epic soundtracks, we now have Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks and it looks like it is bringing back that transformation which is awesome but... Like I said prior to the beginning of the arc, if it kept the "dark tone", being more "serious" and such, it would have been perfect, but once Goku Black arrives in the present timeline, it changed drastically...

The series has a lot of mehs and downs, while Xenoverse and Heroes (and mainly Dragon Ball Online) just keep bringing ups, not hard to admit that the games are doing better than the series.

[Kanassa]

I like Xenoverse, I fucking love it... But really? It's story was literally what Toriyama produced, except we were there. Demigra, Mira and Towaa are cool villains, but they are not given enough time to come close to anything Toriyama created.

And that's mostly the same for all the DB games (That I know of) that tried to have their own story, except from Shin Budokai as that simply had too much time and fell flat so quickly. UT was just... akward.

[MCDaveG]

Goku Black saga is doing a story much better than the story that Shin Budokai 2 give us. Shin Budokai 2 threw almost everything at us badly and felt like a awful fan fiction.

Shin Budokai ''1'' did the same, it was really weird with those portals as they were trying hard to acomodate all the playable characters. I personally liked Shin Budokai 2 little more, until they threw in those rudiculous overworld fights.
As it didn't make sense how did Babidid recruited Freeza, Cell and others...
I havent completed the game on Z and never finished the last Kid Buu level. Had to cheat by downloading save file to get SSJ4 Goku...

I like Xenoverse, I fucking love it... But really? It's story was literally what Toriyama produced, except we were there. Demigra, Mira and Towaa are cool villains, but they are not given enough time to come close to anything Toriyama created.

And that's mostly the same for all the DB games (That I know of) that tried to have their own story, except from Shin Budokai as that simply had too much time and fell flat so quickly. UT was just... akward.

Mira and Towa were great, Demigra was somehow weirdly implemented, I didn't understood his role in the game at all, only that he has a quarell with Time Kaioshin.
But he felt somewhat extra, only to play the climax boss.

[Hellspawn28]

Shin Budokai 1's story was okay until they started to throw in Cell saga Gohan, Majin Vegeta and Future Trunks into the mix. You also had Kid Buu when he should be reborn as Uub. I like Shin Budokai 1 a bit more than Shin Budokai 2.

[Scarlet Spider]

In terms of how characters act and interact, along with what if stories, yes. I prefer the games more than what Toyriama did.

[Soppa Saia People]

Goku Black saga is doing a story much better than the story that Shin Budokai 2 give us. Shin Budokai 2 threw almost everything at us badly and felt like a awful fan fiction.

Xenoverse did it even worse. You have a "ultra badass" OC that's stronger then SSJ3 Gokuu and doesn't speak. That's like bad fan fic 101.

[MCDaveG]

Goku Black saga is doing a story much better than the story that Shin Budokai 2 give us. Shin Budokai 2 threw almost everything at us badly and felt like a awful fan fiction.

Xenoverse did it even worse. You have a "ultra badass" OC that's stronger then SSJ3 Gokuu and doesn't speak. That's like bad fan fic 101.

I think that it is the result of budget and time constraints. I don't know how many voices are there based not only on gender but race.
But If I count the minimum, you have like 10? voices for each gender? That is around 20 actors that have to record the same lines.
That's sure to have in A+ game or non-franchise game with bigger budget and development time, but a no go for a Japanese franchise game, made from scratch and for limited audience.
Xenoverse was mostly made for American and European audience and the fanbase isn't that huge as it was and also, I would bet that mostly 35 % of fans have a game console and are actually playing game based on their favorite franchise.

It is just pure speculation and would be nice to have a hard data on all my guessing.

[z_cherub]

They don't do more better so much as they do much bester.

Seriously, though - overall, absolutely not. I'm sure you could cherry pick and pit the best of the games against AT's worst and say games did better, but if you're comparing the entire body of work, no, not even close.

[Darknat]

Xenoverse main character not having voice is not because of budget. It's by design. It's done because that character represents you on the Dragon World. That's something very common on RPGs.

Anyway, back on topic, no I don't think games do better than Toriyama. They certainly have interesting concepts, but the execution is really bad. Xenoverse story mode was in my opinion quite bad and didn't do enough original stuff, and Heroes has some interesting concepts about the Ankoku Makai world but the story is not detailed enough to be any good. If they fleshed out those concepts they could at least compete with Toriyama stuff, but they don't simply because those are videogames.

[Anime Kitten]

I felt that as Xenoverse's story went on, it was written just to get through the whole story. The Majin Buu Saga of the game had poorly-written Villainous Mode moments, and it just seemed like you were fighting Buu just for the sake of fighting Buu. Then comes the God of Destruction Beerus Saga which was okay, but still lacked substance. The majority of the Demon God Demigra Saga was yet another "villains coming back from the dead" scenario, but the latter two missions were finally better. The DLC side-story was mostly generic like the Buu portion.

Now, take all that you just read and think about it. Particularly the first part. I think the main story of Dragon Ball (and Z) continued to be produced just for the sake of more story. It could have ended well before it did. Do the games do better than Toriyama? Probably not, but that's up to you. My point is that we shouldn't jump to the conclusion either side without examining both sides first.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Not all the time, but yes.

[Yomi]

I would say no, as far as Xenoverse is concerned. I couldn't really see myself invested in a non-interactive story with Xenoverse's storyline.
So our main cast or a new guy. Use the Supreme kai of time's scrolls to go back in time to fix what Towa is changing? (Which would break Dragon Ball's time traveling rules).
Towa just gives enemies powerboost in pre-established fights. Then our main characters, goes back to those iconic fights beats them up, rinse and repeat about 18 times.
150 episodes later, they finally kill Mira, Demigra shows up, this time he has Broly, but with a power boost. . ."oh meh gawd, she boosted bardock past SSB and turles and slug is here too. Yay...."

It works as a video game, but as an actual story, I'm not seeing it.

[Yomi]

The series has a lot of mehs and downs, while Xenoverse and Heroes (and mainly Dragon Ball Online) just keep bringing ups, not hard to admit that the games are doing better than the series.

Well they don't have to worry about a narrative. Or consistency. They can just throw together whatever they want with no consequence. Just Bring Broly back with SSJ4.
Now give Gohan SSJ4, now fuse Baby and Hatchiack, might as well let Cell absorb Broly SSJ4, now let's bring back Mercinary Tao and let him fuse with SSJ4 Bardock!

When you have enemies that just go to any timeline and just manipulate all pre-established villains somehow, (powering them up and fuse them at will) the sky's the limit. Then they go out and meet the heroes in some open field.

"Oh we're getting beat up, by the new cool villain he's so strong you should buy his trading card."

"Now we're beating him up to show off how cool we are now, buy our card instead"