Super's future.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Initially I have the question of how long super CAN go on to, and how long it most likely WILL go onto. That's the first and foremost question and topic of here. But so it's not exactly a waste of a thread, I wanna talk about the future of super. Really what we as a community WANT, EXPECT, and what's LIKELY to happen. I love super, but I also know not to expect much and know stupidity is inevitable. I don't expect stuff I got from GT,Ball and Z. But I think one thing I really WANT from super, is well a LONG life. That brings up if it'll go past end of Z or not, but I want it to have more episodes then Z. Am I alone here? Crazy pipe dream?

I don't know what to expect in the episodes or plot. They seam to focus more on doing things that are unexpected rather then making them entertaining. I mean, if you keep being unpredictable then a surprise isn't going to special, especially if you don't give it substance. But even with lamestuff like monaka and such, we still get things like [spoiler]SSJ Rose[/spoiler] and I want more super. IDK if I can expect it to even go past dragonball itself. Pretty safe to assume it's going past GT.

What I want, well I want Super to have more then the same 4 songs playing and for the background music to be GOOD. I don't like this new guy. I liked ball,z,kai's (first) OST's in Japanese. And GT had a lot of gems, and nothing beats the USA OST....but this ...man the music bores me. I know it's not going to stop being so lazy and unfitting though sadly. And I want a villain that can't just be taken out by beerus/whis and zeno. No tension if they're there to save the day.
What do you all think about super's episode count and other things about it's future?

[Xeztin]

My personal opinion is that the EoZ will be rewritten in Super and that sooner or later this 10 year gap will go beyond 10 years. I don't really think they care about the details or an exact timeline. For example: they might do 12 years instead of 10 and rewrite it or never have EoZ. If we are talking in-universe, Goku and Vegeta don't need successors because they will always be wished back to life. I hope Dragon Ball never ends again.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

My personal opinion is that the EoZ will be rewritten in Super and that sooner or later this 10 year gap will go beyond 10 years. I don't really think they care about the details or an exact timeline. For example: they might do 12 years instead of 10 and rewrite it or never have EoZ. If we are talking in-universe, Goku and Vegeta don't need successors because they will always be wished back to life. I hope Dragon Ball never ends again.

Those words "I hope dragonball never ends again."

I AGREE 100%! IDK what they'll do, but I just want hundreds and hundreds of episodes (more then that.) Give me more episodes. I also want it to improve some of the horrendous mistakes it has but I wouldn't be keeping up with it for over 50 episodes if I wasn't having fun.

Where the heck is my funimation dub at though?

[fadeddreams5]

Unless I'm mistaken, Super is doing very well in Japanese ratings and merchandise is taking off. All of this, and yet, the series hasn't even been released internationally yet, so it's very likely this series will stick around for several more years, especially if Toriyama continues being involved. The views on Youtube for Super clips are pretty ridiculous (in a good way).

I personally want it to continue to have arcs set before EoZ. I know this is unpopular among the general fanbase, who finally want to see Uub and Pan in action, but I dread this because, ultimately, Super is not DBZ. Going passed that time period is not going to make this DBZ. We're still gonna have a shit ton of Pilaf gags, we're still gonna have Beerus and Whis masturbating over ice cream sandwiches, the tone is still gonna be constantly undercut whenever anything gets the slightest bit serious, and the characterizations are still going to be off, with Spongebob Goku gleefully breaking through walls to meet a strong villain that has just previously viciously murdered half the population. Uub might get the same exact treatment as Gohan. I really just want this period of the story to be left to our imagination. But...that's just me.

And lastly, I expect it to, indeed, go beyond EoZ either after the multiverse tournament or the inevitable arc after that one. The entire EoZ mini-arc will likely be reanimated and retold, with Beerus and Whis present somewhere.

[sintzu]

I expect Super to run as long as Toriyama has stories to tell.

We're on the 4th arc now and we know there's going to be a 12 universe tournament but hopefully that'll be the last arc and the 10th one cause if Toriyama's going to come out of retirement then I want him to give us at least 10 arcs.

I know Toei will continue the franchise when he's done but hopefully they'll take a 2-3 year break to plan it out instead of rushing it like they did with GT.

Toriyama's plots have been good so far so I expect that to continue in the future and hopefully the writing and production will improve but I doubt it.

In terms of what I want, I'd like Vegeta and Trunks to be the ones who defeat Black, an arc set in Universe 6's Saiyan planet, an arc revolving around Hit and why he wanted to travel to the other universes & for Goku to win the tournament and become the strongest fighter in all the universes.

[Boo Machine]

My hope is that it goes on for a good while, while still being, at least, decent. Not even amazing just entertaining.

If they do decide to go past the EoZ, they might have to do so soon. If the show continues for at least a couple of more years the arcs will either have to get very long or they are going to need that time skip.

If it does go past the EoZ and Goku fly's off with Uub, I hope the show focuses on a different main character. At least for a little while before Goku comes back like the boomerang he is.

Also when the time comes that toriyama no longer feels like working on the show, I hope Toei is willing and capable of continuing it without him. I mean, Toei has proven they have decent ideas when it comes to their own plots, and even though Toriyama does right the current plots, Toei still has to write everything else, and I think they've done an alright job doing so. So I'd be willing to give them another chance at taking another crack at the series on their own.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I expect Super to run as long as Toriyama has stories to tell.

We're on the 4th arc now and we know there's going to be a 12 universe tournament but hopefully that'll be the last arc and the 10th one cause if Toriyama's going to come out of retirement then I want him to give us at least 10 arcs.

I know Toei will continue the franchise when he's done but hopefully they'll take a 2-3 year break to plan it out instead of rushing it like they did with GT.

Toriyama's plots have been good so far so I expect that to continue in the future and hopefully the writing and production will improve but I doubt it.

In terms of what I want, I'd like Vegeta and Trunks to be the ones who defeat Black, an arc set in Universe 6's Saiyan planet, an arc revolving around Hit and why he wanted to travel to the other universes & for Goku to win the tournament and become the strongest fighter in all the universes.

I hope that IF toriyama stops giving them bar napkins with ideas written on it, they either continue it or do a sequel series. I don't mind if they jump right into it. I LOVED dbgt, however I know it's flawed in ways and toei hasn't learned from them. They made the same mistakes they made from GT in super. So waiting won't help n my eyes. I just want things closer to say Broly, then black star hunting arc. Super's gags aren't funny, accept rarely ..like when beerus smashed his head into the table when Zeno called.

Toei can do things better then toriyama it seams, IDK I think both lost their passion for dragonball but they still make good stuff. But there's also a lot of times when Toei does things on their own that the mess, up, which isn't to Say Toriyama doesn't mess up himself.

I want to see more serious dragonball though. Hopefully it's going like dragonball's manga where it starts off trying to be funny then gets serious.

My hope is that it goes on for a good while, while still being, at least, decent. Not even amazing just entertaining.

If they do decide to go past the EoZ, they might have to do so soon. If the show continues for at least a couple of more years the arcs will either have to get very long or they are going to need that time skip.

If it does go past the EoZ and Goku fly's off with Uub, I hope the show focuses on a different main character. At least for a little while before Goku comes back like the boomerang he is.

Also when the time comes that toriyama no longer feels like working on the show, I hope Toei is willing and capable of continuing it without him. I mean, Toei has proven they have decent ideas when it comes to their own plots, and even though Toriyama does right the current plots, Toei still has to write everything else, and I think they've done an alright job doing so. So I'd be willing to give them another chance at taking another crack at the series on their own.

They'll be at the last tournament hovering over head from a different angle XD

It'd be nice if they connected super and gt and made a sequal, brought back the z fighters and made em relevant like AF does. Just don't focus just on goku or vegeta. its nice super gives attention to vegeta, but then its still iek the buu saga where its the villains and saiyans...now its the villains and the gods. the rest are in the background as jokes.

[Xeztin]

I think its Toei giving Toriyama ideas now, seems like the Champa arc was his last and for this arc they were like "how about using Trunks". I think Toei gives him suggestions and he try's to make it work and put his own spin on it. I honestly don't think Toei gets enough credit because they probably get a page long line of words like "Black fights Trunks.", "Trunk's goes to past", "Goku meet's Black and they have a short fight", etc. I'm pretty sure Pan and such is all on Toei because I doubt Toriyama really puts that much thought into the timeline and such or the Pilaf gang for that matter. He probably started with the Pilaf gang in BoG and RoF movies but I think Toei's completely writing them now. I'd say it's hard to make 10-20 episodes out of a few sentences. I'd be willing to bet Vegeta training Trunks is all Toei too. I believe that if Toriyama backed away Toei would be alright. They have learned what to and what not to do by now, and probably are used to the "Super" vibe.

[Cipher]

I think its Toei giving Toriyama ideas now, seems like the Champa arc was his last and for this arc they were like "how about using Trunks". I think Toei gives him suggestions and he try's to make. It work and put his own spin on it.

To be fair, I don't think that's a bad combination. The original run had Toriyama constantly writing last-minute plots to conform with the suggestions of his editors.

That said, I really hope Super ends after the multiversal tournament or in another logical narrative place. I want the whole series to have some narrative thrust beyond "Here are a few more storylines!"

Goku and co. tempering the feelings of an occasionally irrational King of Everything is an astoundingly logical way to end the series, and would provide a sense of structure to the entire "gods" era of the story.

[omaro34]

In regards to Super's future, does anyone think Toriyama will continue with the original ending of Z or will they change it completely?

[Lord Beerus]

Super will last as long as merchandise sales are good. That the basic truth of the scenario. The minute merchandise sales tumble, less episodes will be planned, and when/if the general profit the franchise produces hits a new low, Toei will just pull the plug on the show much like they did with GT.

[ChronoTwigger]

Well, ten years are a large time to set stories, if you chop events to the daily scale.
So, even 300 episodes could fit.

Anyway, at a given point, I think they had to do a greater jump away from continuity and have a new generation of characters. That kind of self-quoting and self-contained arcs risk to become boring in the long run. Thanks to Xenoverse, Heroes and Fusions, Toei/Bandai shown that people will accept side stories and new main characters in the same setting. Maybe this is the future of Dragon Ball (and not strictly SUPER future...).

[omaro34]

Super will last as long as merchandise sales are good. That the basic truth of the scenario. The minute merchandise sales tumble, less episodes will be planned, and when/if the general profit the franchise produces hits a new low, Toei will just pull the plug on the show much like they did with GT.

Well, with the amount of new material they have come up with such as the whole 12 universes concept, they can keep the story going for years to come. But you're right, at the end of the day, it's a business, and in all honesty I think one of the reasons they introduced this new transformation for Black with the pink hair is another opportunity to sell new merchandise.

[Hellspawn28]

As long if Super keeps on making money, Toei will keep it on going. I'm pretty sure Toei wanted GT to be as long as DBZ, if not longer but things didn't go out as well as they plan.

[Majin Jator]

Anyway, at a given point, I think they had to do a greater jump away from continuity and have a new generation of characters. That kind of self-quoting and self-contained arcs risk to become boring in the long run. Thanks to Xenoverse, Heroes and Fusions, Toei/Bandai shown that people will accept side stories and new main characters in the same setting. Maybe this is the future of Dragon Ball (and not strictly SUPER future...).

They dropped that ball with Gohan in the Buu saga. Now it's too late, I don't believe fans would accept a new generation taking over even with the full involvement of Toriyama...which wouldn't happen anyway.
Alas, "Son's bizarre adventures" could have been cool...

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

As long if Super keeps on making money, Toei will keep it on going. I'm pretty sure Toei wanted GT to be as long as DBZ, if not longer but things didn't go out as well as they plan.

Did GT really flop? It's hard to believe anything negative on GT with how biased people are in the community at times, especially against GT.

(Not calling you biased I'm just trying to make sure I know the truth then go by popular rumors like many do.)

Either way GT was the perfect ending IMO. But man was it too short.

In regards to Super's future, does anyone think Toriyama will continue with the original ending of Z or will they change it completely?

Popular question I see on youtube comments. It's really anyone's guess because Toriyama is unpredictable and just does whatever. We might have the series end a year before EOZ....and then we'll be like..uhhh what?

I want it to go past end of Z. Show me something new. My #1 wish is for them to address the GT issue and have them meet GT's universe or something. Green time ring caused GT, idk. I'd hate it saying god>ssj4, and they wouldn't go and say they're below a older form....or they would idk. Nothing's ever certain. But how neat would ssj4 goku meeting ssj blue goku be?

[Sodhi]

I am sure the series will go on for a long time. 100 episodes are guaranteed. merchandise is making so much money that canceling the show will hurt a lot of pockets. The time slot is also gold. DBS and then one piece, two of toei's and bandai's biggest money makers.

[Cetra]

I am sure the series will go on for a long time. 100 episodes are guaranteed. merchandise is making so much money that canceling the show will hurt a lot of pockets. The time slot is also gold. DBS and then one piece, two of toei's and bandai's biggest money makers.

I would not be so sure about that. I would not even be surprised if the ending of Super would be shortly after this Zenou tournament.

[Sodhi]

I mean it could but I dont see any reason why though. What would they replace it with?

[Hellspawn28]

As long if Super keeps on making money, Toei will keep it on going. I'm pretty sure Toei wanted GT to be as long as DBZ, if not longer but things didn't go out as well as they plan.

Did GT really flop? It's hard to believe anything negative on GT with how biased people are in the community at times, especially against GT.

(Not calling you biased I'm just trying to make sure I know the truth then go by popular rumors like many do.)

Knowing Toei, they will keep things running as much as they can as long it makes money. DBZ had over 200 episodes while GT only had 65 episodes. GT was made right after DBZ ended and Toei had the whole series in their own hands. Toei obvious wanted GT to be as big and long running as DBZ. Not to mention after GT ended, we had no new DB animation until 2008. Toei is not a company that will be like "Let's end it because we feel like the story is compete". They will milk it until the ground until it stop selling well.