Is Toriyama and Toei paying attention to their fans?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

As said by almost everyone in this thread why should Toriyama/Toei give a rat's ass about what Western fans want who aren't even supposed to watch the show and are illegally watching it.



- Travis

Maybe because they still have money and they are a business? I mean heck ed edd and eddy is made for America first in mind. They remove a lot of crap before it comes out so its suitable for America, but when it goes to mexico they let them speak about rolf's abusive parents and other sick stuff.

Even if other areas are a second thought, if you're selling to them you want them to be happy with your product so they will buy it. I mean if funimation ruined dragonball for the west and toei found out, they'd kick em to the curb because they want money and it's common sense. Then again they refuse to stream super and kind of cause the pirating themselves so....yeah....


While I'm sure they want whats best for them, idk if they're just lazy or don't see their faults but they still are a bit self destructive.

My point is people watching online when they don't have a way to pay...not really bad. Making sure everyone who you want to sell your product too is happy....not really bad. I just wish they had it on streaming. Then they'd make money. I hate how people who want to give em money end up feeling like they can't. It's called supply and demand. They have the supply (literally it's a streaming) and fans are demanding it.


Now weather or not they're listening. Who knows. I'm sure they HEAR everyone from the west to japan. (not as different as you all think) but listening is unknown.

[Lord Beerus]

No. And honestly, they shouldn't. As Bill Cosby once said, "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."

[Chiki]

No because we'd have seen SS3 Vegeta by now. Doesn't matter if SSB outclasses it completely.

[MCDaveG]

No and why should they? Or rather, what is your idea of paying attention?
For example, Bandai does with some toys and products, because if there is demand, there is money.
But if you mean storywise, no one does that or it is very limited. Why?

Take the new Star Wars for example. Of course, many people will tell, that Star Wars Episode VII is not as good as OT was, or not as good as they wanted to be...
Why? Because in this age, people are expressing their ideas loud on the internet and nothing is as good.
Seriously, look up some theories or ideas for the new Star Wars from the fans around the internet. If Lucasfilm was paying any attention, it would be really bad movie.
Predictable fan fiction.

If this thread is reaction on Dragon Ball Super, then the series' story isn't bad, it is just that the writers can't utilize it better, the execution is not better, everything reeks around DBS.
But that is not about being fanservicey, but that DBS is a rushed product. We know that they can do better and we saw better. We can objectively say that.
It's going better, little by little since Universe 6 arc and who knows. I recently watched the Blu-ray copies of BoG arc (and yeah, I've said that I won't support this product and in this case, I am not ashamed that I didn't),
and it wasn't that bad as I remember it from the TV run. Watching it on TV, it was cringeworthy at times, but mostly looked good, like TOEI series can and in one run, it wasn't that bad paced, even with almost none choreography.
It wasn't bad show but rather mediocre. Tough plotholes are still there (Pilaf still pisses me off, but his plotholy and lackluster inclusion isn't that bad when you don't have to wait one week for another episode) and when they've corrected or rather, finished lot of the animation, some shots are bad as hell.

In the end, they are not paying attention to the fans storywise, and they shouldn't have

[namekiansaiyan]

As said by almost everyone in this thread why should Toriyama/Toei give a rat's ass about what Western fans want who aren't even supposed to watch the show and are illegally watching it.



- Travis

The idea that they would care more about Western fans is a joke and very ignorant.

The Western fanbase as a whole is bigger than the Japanese fanbase and other Japanese companies are starting to think about world and not just Japan.

[Soppa Saia People]

As said by almost everyone in this thread why should Toriyama/Toei give a rat's ass about what Western fans want who aren't even supposed to watch the show and are illegally watching it.



- Travis

The idea that they would care more about Western fans is a joke and very ignorant.

The Western fanbase as a whole is bigger than the Japanese fanbase and other Japanese companies are starting to think about world and not just Japan.

Probably because the Western Hemisphere, is larger then some country in Asia

[nite_jay]

As said by almost everyone in this thread why should Toriyama/Toei give a rat's ass about what Western fans want who aren't even supposed to watch the show and are illegally watching it.



- Travis

The idea that they would care more about Western fans is a joke and very ignorant.

The Western fanbase as a whole is bigger than the Japanese fanbase and other Japanese companies are starting to think about world and not just Japan.

Many people in the Western fanbase haven't even watched half of the original series, so I wouldn't say bigger is neccessarily better. I also don't think anyone at Toei should start logging onto YT to start looking through Fornever World videos to go through the comments to get advice on how they should write the next episode.

The most I'd say that they listen to fans is based off of ratings and merchandise sold, like a lot of companies.

[FortuneSSJ]

Sometimes, yes.

A lot of people got disappointed by the lack of action and light atmosphere in BOG Movie. Toriyama listened to us and increased the fight scenes greatly in ROF, making it more serious.

ROF Movie plot was a disappointment for almost everyone, because fans wanted to explore other universes after the 12 universes revelation in BOG Movie.
After that, Toriyama gaves us Champa arc. Even though we didn't set foot in Universe 6, we still got worldbuilding and met characters from there.
And now Universe 10 was brought to the table.

Since ROF teaser quote "The worst wish in history." a part of the fanbase started begging for an Evil Goku. We have Goku Black now.

Some fans wanted Future Trunks back. He's back.

DB Super episode 5 was fixed in BD release, after the huge polemic.

Fans were not satisfied with Super quality. Toei have been improving it as much as they can wtih their screwed up schedule.
All these weeks off are proving to be a blessing.

They can't fulfill all our dreams because that's impossible, but they don't completely ignore all of them either.

[Faisal Shourov]

What fans? The japanese fans or the western fans that are pirating their show?
My opinion: None of them. Whether we like or not what they´re doing in each episode is just a matter of coincidence.

The western fans and some Japanese, I believe. I think they're doing it to improve the show and give us what we want.

There are no western fans of Super, people who don't watch the anime legally don't have any opinion. Super will likely be finished by the time it's released officially in North America and Europe. Why would anybody listen the complaints of thieves who pirate the show?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

No because we'd have seen SS3 Vegeta by now. Doesn't matter if SSB outclasses it completely.

Another example of how they didn't learn from GT's mistakes. (I love super and GT mind you.)

No. And honestly, they shouldn't. As Bill Cosby once said, "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."

I think I want this-

You should never try to just listen to your fans. You need to keep your creation your own. It's why people hate fan service. However, if someone says something should be BLANK and they have a point, (that you agree about) you should listen. Don't ignore what fans say because they're fans or do what they want because they're fans. Do what you want with your product and if someone has a good suggestion, then take the advice! No show is made by a single man or woman. it's a group effort and if some fan's drawing of a blue haired ssj god vegeta inspires toriyama to make ssj blue....THEN GOOD! It's fine for the community to give back, I just want them to do what they want and listen when fan say something. If they like it they should do it, if they don't like it they shouldn't compromise their artistic integrity.

I think SSj3 vegeta is something they should listen too. Things like bulma eechi.....dear god no!

Like dragonball heroes is GREAT because it adds more characters to games. (It might be why bardock time breaker is even popular enough to be in the new xenoverse)
BUT if they did what they did in heroes to an official anime story, then it'd be bad. You wanna make a ssj4 broly? Fine. Put him in the game. But if heroes was an anime (remembers hoshi...cringes) it'd be a mess with so much fan service without giving the new forms a story or reasons or a journey evolving.
It's why ssj goku and vegeta transforming are much more powerfull then gotten and trunks who were more powerful when they transformed. Because they were just given it. it's not special.

So don't be highschool of the dead and overdue fan service, don't be GT and ignore all the good advice people have.
HEAR what people have to say, but LISTEN when it's appropriate. Moderation is the key to everything in life.

[Cipher]

1) They are certainly not privileging the opinion of adult Western fans, nor do they need to.

2) The prevailing sense throughout Toriyama's work is that he's rarely writing for anything besides his own amusement (some of which is no doubt tied into what he thinks his audience of Japanese kids will find exciting or funny, but only as a secondary thought).

As Bill Cosby once said, "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."

Um.

[Mazingerdestro]

Short answer: no
Long answer: hell no

Just a good animation day doesn't prove anything.
The anime came from a break and people had some extra time to work.

How would fans change super?
Most fan theories are usually awful.

Also most fans would be happy with just good animation. Have you ever seen someone say "the story is super is bad!!!!"? Maybe 2 people out of 20000.

Anime fans are easy to please. Give them eye candy

[MozillaVulpix]

Not to mention, every fan wants something slightly different from the series. Some people want to see things that other people never wanted to see. It's hard to assume they're listening to "fans". Which fans? And what do you think indicates that?

[Mazingerdestro]

If the manga ever gets a character poll and Gohan or Piccolo get high places then maybe we could see a change.
However, as the cast is now I can easily see the first 10 places be: Goku, Vegeta, Black, Beerus, Whis, Hit, Future Trunks, Cabba, Bulma, Zeno.....and I didn't even mention Champa, Vados, Copy Vegeta etc.