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Gohan Character Analysis

Post by TheUltimateVegito » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:48 pm

Gohan's fantastic character arc was about him being moulded into the best protector of earth mainly because of his mentors Goku and Piccolo:

Gohan, thanks to his mothers influence didn't grow up with any desire to fight in his heart. This lack of fighting spirit was a big part of his development. During the fight with Nappa, Gohan was too scared to fight him due to fearing for his life and not wanting to get hurt which stopped him from attacking Nappa when he had the chance to deal major damage to him. When he finally got attacked by Nappa he realised the pain was nothing to be afraid of hence why he was more eager to fight Nappa afterwards to protect Piccolo. However, Gohan's fear still led to Piccolo's death, which greatly affected him. It made him realise that caring for his own well being isn't worth it in the end and made him determined never to repeat his mistake.

His development in the Saiyan arc is what led to him putting the greater cause over his own well being so readily in the Namek arc. However, instead of eliminating his fear for his own well being he was suppressing it and thus was suppressing the key to controlling his hidden power.
Gohan willingly puts his principle/well being aside when it comes to fighting, and was ready to kill during fights, which made him unable to fully control his power during all those rage boosts he had because deep in his mind, he felt if he killed, he'd commit a sin. Meaning that he'd rather commit a sin than not fight for a greater cause than himself, but the thought of committing a sin was what ultimately held him back. This was perfect for Gohan's character since he's the only Z-Fighter who had rage boosts and is not a fighter at heart, while other characters can control themselves when it comes to killing.

A situation never arise where his belief that killing is a sin came to surface before the Cell Games. Gohan believed the Cell Games was pointless and thus put his principle on the forefront as a result. It took 16's speech while seeing his friends get tortured to make Gohan think more on his belief that killing is a sin and how it relates to his powers, realising the key to unlocking his power was believing that none of what he was doing was wrong, which led to him letting go. The fact that it was even harder for Gohan to get a rage boost during the Cell Games than before made Gohan knew his reason for being reluctant to fight in the Cell Games was what held his power back all along. His actions as a SSJ2 also demonstrated the side of himself that he feared which also relates to his belief that killing is a sin - The hate he feels and his desire to torment those he hates before killing them (Villains in general) as shown by his desire to torture Cell. But because 16's speech made him feel unleashing that hate was not a sin, he allowed himself to be controlled by the hate which led to his father dying. This was a pivotal moment for Gohan, because his actions led to him learning why it's wrong to have those kind of intentions, even if it's not a sin (Which is a great message). The guilt Gohan felt for causing his father's death was too much for him to bear, hence why he was happy that Cell returned despite how much more powerful he became, because he had a chance to atone for his actions by killing Cell the right way.

Gohan indeed put fighting over his life, but unlike his father, he fought for what he believed to be a greater cause rather than his personal desire. Like his father, he found an equilibrium between his conflicted nature, the main difference being that Gohan became a better protector of earth than his father who could only reach his equilibrium by staying dead because he's a Saiyan, making the themes of belonging in DBZ even better.
Gohan was confident in himself after finding his equilibrium in the Cell arc, which was one of the reasons why he was enjoying himself in Babidi's spaceship and was excited to fight Dabura despite the earth being in danger. The classic line against Super Buu "Fight you? No, I want to kill you." showed how much Gohan has grown. Him saying it with a smug expression showed he's fully confident in the idea that there's nothing wrong in fighting for a greater cause.

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Re: Gohan Character Analysis

Post by ABED » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:53 pm

I don't believe Gohan has a principle against killing. His inability to control his power comes from his youth and his reluctance to fully commit himself to be a great fighter. Goku and others don't have that issue because they want to improve all aspects of their skills as a fighter. The love of the sport is an end in itself. Gohan fights in order to protect and on occassion have fun with the person he's sparring against as long as it is simply for enjoyment. I don't know what specifically leads you to think Gohan believes killing is a sin.
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Re: Gohan Character Analysis

Post by SSJ Human » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:55 pm

What a thorough analysis.

You seemed to have given evidence on how you feel he has changed and I agree with you.

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Post by TheUltimateVegito » Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:04 pm

ABED wrote:I don't believe Gohan has a principle against killing. His inability to control his power comes from his youth and his reluctance to fully commit himself to be a great fighter. Goku and others don't have that issue because they want to improve all aspects of their skills as a fighter. The love of the sport is an end in itself. Gohan fights in order to protect and on occassion have fun with the person he's sparring against as long as it is simply for enjoyment. I don't know what specifically leads you to think Gohan believes killing is a sin.
It was the point of 16's speech to Gohan and what made him able to fully control his SSJ2 powers at the time. Not even Gohan knew that his belief that killing is a sin was what held him back until the Cell Games hence why it was never mentioned beforehand.
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Post by ABED » Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:13 pm

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ABED wrote:I don't believe Gohan has a principle against killing. His inability to control his power comes from his youth and his reluctance to fully commit himself to be a great fighter. Goku and others don't have that issue because they want to improve all aspects of their skills as a fighter. The love of the sport is an end in itself. Gohan fights in order to protect and on occassion have fun with the person he's sparring against as long as it is simply for enjoyment. I don't know what specifically leads you to think Gohan believes killing is a sin.
It was the point of 16's speech to Gohan and what made him able to fully control his SSJ2 powers at the time. Not even Gohan knew that his belief that killing is a sin was what held him back until the Cell Games hence why it was never mentioned beforehand.
Here's my problem with that speech, it has no basis in Gohan's actual character. Gohan's entire crisis feels fabricated in order to create drama. It's not organic for his character. When before that fight with Cell had he ever been reluctant to kill if it saved someone?
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ABED wrote:I don't believe Gohan has a principle against killing. His inability to control his power comes from his youth and his reluctance to fully commit himself to be a great fighter. Goku and others don't have that issue because they want to improve all aspects of their skills as a fighter. The love of the sport is an end in itself. Gohan fights in order to protect and on occassion have fun with the person he's sparring against as long as it is simply for enjoyment. I don't know what specifically leads you to think Gohan believes killing is a sin.
It was the point of 16's speech to Gohan and what made him able to fully control his SSJ2 powers at the time. Not even Gohan knew that his belief that killing is a sin was what held him back until the Cell Games hence why it was never mentioned beforehand.
Here's my problem with that speech, it has no basis in Gohan's actual character. Gohan's entire crisis feels fabricated in order to create drama. It's not organic for his character. When before that fight with Cell had he ever been reluctant to kill if it saved someone?
I think it's very organic. It's not that Gohan has a no kill policy but the other way around. He has a policy to not have a no kill policy hence why he was never reluctant.
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Post by ABED » Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:27 pm

I think it's very organic. It's not that Gohan has a no kill policy but the other way around. He has a policy to not have a no kill policy hence why he was never reluctant.
How is it organic? He was never reluctant, but now when it's all on the line, he needs a peptalk?

And when did he have a policy to have a no kill rule?
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I think it's very organic. It's not that Gohan has a no kill policy but the other way around. He has a policy to not have a no kill policy hence why he was never reluctant.
How is it organic? He was never reluctant, but now when it's all on the line, he needs a peptalk?

And when did he have a policy to have a no kill rule?
That's because a situation never arise where his belief that killing is a sin came to surface before the Cell Games. He thought the Cell games was pointless and thus put his principle on the forefront as a result.

After his development in the Saiyan arc he had a policy to not have a no kill policy.
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Post by ABED » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:05 pm

That's because a situation never arise where his belief that killing is a sin came to surface before the Cell Games. He thought the Cell games was pointless and thus put his principle on the forefront as a result.

After his development in the Saiyan arc he had a policy to not have a no kill policy.
Then how is it organic? How do you know he has that principle when before then he's never had a problem. And your last statement makes no sense. He doesn't say anything of the sort, it's not even implied. Gohan's development in the Saiyan arc was becoming brave. There's no text I can see nor subtext to support your claims. He doesn't have a principle that killing is a sin, and the Cell Games proves my point. Before then, he never had a qualm about killing. He's acting completely out of character in that story and you are building your entire thesis around this moment.
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That's because a situation never arise where his belief that killing is a sin came to surface before the Cell Games. He thought the Cell games was pointless and thus put his principle on the forefront as a result.

After his development in the Saiyan arc he had a policy to not have a no kill policy.
Then how is it organic? How do you know he has that principle when before then he's never had a problem. And your last statement makes no sense. He doesn't say anything of the sort, it's not even implied. Gohan's development in the Saiyan arc was becoming brave. There's no text I can see nor subtext to support your claims. He doesn't have a principle that killing is a sin, and the Cell Games proves my point. Before then, he never had a qualm about killing. He's acting completely out of character in that story and you are building your entire thesis around this moment.
It's because he suppressed the problem he has with it enough that it seemed that he didn't have a problem with it. Gohan said it himself to Cell that he felt the fight was pointless hence why he was reluctant to fight in the first place. Gohan's development is still about being brave, the portion of his development I covered gives more layers to his development and was definitely present in the manga (i.e Gohan being scared of Nappa before Nappa hit him then after that Gohan told Piccolo that he'll hold off Nappa when Piccolo wanted to do so e.t.c).
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It's because he suppressed the problem he has with it enough that it seemed that he didn't have a problem with it. Gohan said it himself to Cell that he felt the fight was pointless hence why he was reluctant to fight in the first place. Gohan's development is still about being brave, the portion of his development I covered gives more layers to his development and was definitely present in the manga (i.e Gohan being scared of Nappa before Nappa hit him then after that Gohan told Piccolo that he'll hold off Nappa when Piccolo wanted to do so e.t.c).
I think you are building an awful lot of analysis around a portion of the show where the character in question was acting out of character. Yes, his development is present in the manga, but not what you've inferred with his policy to not have a no kill policy.
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It's because he suppressed the problem he has with it enough that it seemed that he didn't have a problem with it. Gohan said it himself to Cell that he felt the fight was pointless hence why he was reluctant to fight in the first place. Gohan's development is still about being brave, the portion of his development I covered gives more layers to his development and was definitely present in the manga (i.e Gohan being scared of Nappa before Nappa hit him then after that Gohan told Piccolo that he'll hold off Nappa when Piccolo wanted to do so e.t.c).
I think you are building an awful lot of analysis around a portion of the show where the character in question was acting out of character. Yes, his development is present in the manga, but not what you've inferred with his policy to not have a no kill policy.
Gohan was supposed to not know what held back his power and put the greater cause over himself (Meaning putting it over his hate for killing) and so was acting completely in character because of that. It made his actions in the Cell Games a great twist. Gohan learning that there's nothing wrong in killing over the greater cause through 16 was the key to Gohan fully controlling his power or he otherwise would've just had a rage like he did before.
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Post by ABED » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:51 pm

Gohan was supposed to not know what held back his power and put the greater cause over himself (Meaning putting it over his hate for killing) and so was acting completely in character because of that. It made his actions in the Cell Games a great twist. Gohan learning that there's nothing wrong in killing over the greater cause through 16 was the key to Gohan fully controlling his power or he otherwise would've just had a rage like he did before.
Except that doesn't make any sense. He's never had a qualm about taking a life if it was in service of protecting someone he cared for or someone innocent, like Dende. It's not a great twist at all because there's not set up and it's inconsistent. Point to another time in the series where he ever had a problem with killing. He didn't learn that lesson then, he always knew it was okay to fight evil people to protect his values.
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:57 pm

I don't believe Gohan ever feared killing, as long as it was for self-defense or saving someone from an evildoer. In the Cell Games, he feared himself and the uncertainty of releasing a power he's never had control over. Prior to this arc, he had never even made reference to his own hidden powers, but subconsciously, he knew he had them. Gohan froze up at this moment because a) he had no idea how to trigger at will what everyone expected him to and b) even if he could, he was reluctant to let it out because he was going to lose control of himself. In the past, the hidden powers spontaneously occurred and, several times, Gohan lost recollection of what he had done. Here, Gohan consciously needed to tap into an anger that does not define the sort of character he is. After he lets his power out, he became exactly what he feared and warned Cell about previously.

Gohan was a rollercoaster of emotions in that arc, and rightfully so. I don't agree he was OoC in the slightest, though everything leading up to the point could have been executed so much better.
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Post by Kanassa » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:18 pm

I don't think it was out of character for Gohan to have that hesitance, it's jsut that the story never brought this to light, but it also never put forward anything that contradicts this character trait. Which is also why I find Gohans big transformation in the Cell games to be one fo the most terribly exercuted scenes in the franchise, suffering heavily from bad writing.
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fadeddreams5 wrote:I don't believe Gohan ever feared killing, as long as it was for self-defense or saving someone from an evildoer. In the Cell Games, he feared himself and the uncertainty of releasing a power he's never had control over. Prior to this arc, he had never even made reference to his own hidden powers, but subconsciously, he knew he had them. Gohan froze up at this moment because a) he had no idea how to trigger at will what everyone expected him to and b) even if he could, he was reluctant to let it out because he was going to lose control of himself. In the past, the hidden powers spontaneously occurred and, several times, Gohan lost recollection of what he had done. Here, Gohan consciously needed to tap into an anger that does not define the sort of character he is. After he lets his power out, he became exactly what he feared and warned Cell about previously.

Gohan was a rollercoaster of emotions in that arc, and rightfully so. I don't agree he was OoC in the slightest, though everything leading up to the point could have been executed so much better.
When has he ever feared his own power? This crisis only pops up in the Cell Games. What other moment can you point to that shows he feared his own power? Gohan was only a rollercoaster of emotions here. In the rest of the arc, he's on the periphery. It was out of character because nothing leading up to it actually lead up to it.
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ABED wrote:When has he ever feared his own power? This crisis only pops up in the Cell Games. What other moment can you point to that shows he feared his own power? Gohan was only a rollercoaster of emotions here. In the rest of the arc, he's on the periphery. It was out of character because nothing leading up to it actually lead up to it.
It's only out of character if it contradicts what we've been told and shown about the character, where as this is simply a characteristic that has never came to light until the Cell games. While bad writing for somthing that was supposed to be such a big moment, it isn't out of character, it's just out of left field.

Like for a clearer example: If there was a character that was afraid of heights, and this fear was revealed later in the story, it wouldn't be out of character; it would simply be a part of the character we didn't know untill that point. But it would be out of character if that character had never even acted nervous when in high places beforehand. That makes the fear that's revealed later out of character, because it contradicts the scenes that came before.
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Like for a clearer example: If there was a character that was afraid of heights, and this fear was revealed later in the story, it wouldn't be out of character; it would simply be a part of the character we didn't know untill that point.
I get what you're saying. In this case, I do think it's out of character for Gohan to fear his own power. He's experienced enough to not fear it, especially at the time when he does need to lose control in order to tap into that well. He's also having a crisis when that entire arc, all he wanted to do was help.
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Like for a clearer example: If there was a character that was afraid of heights, and this fear was revealed later in the story, it wouldn't be out of character; it would simply be a part of the character we didn't know untill that point.
I get what you're saying. In this case, I do think it's out of character for Gohan to fear his own power. He's experienced enough to not fear it, especially at the time when he does need to lose control in order to tap into that well. He's also having a crisis when that entire arc, all he wanted to do was help.
Experience would actually give him more reason to fear a power that to his knowledge he can't control, he's even cautioned by Goku. Plus the fact that he himself cannot make himself lose control.
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Post by ABED » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:59 pm

No one can make themselves lose control, that's why it's called "losing control". Experience could, but it didn't. I don't think we're ever shown a moment where him losing control caused something awful to happen. I don't remember when Goku cautioned him to not lose control.
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