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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Tian » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:53 am

Bardock's best English voice actor is his Big Green's VA (David Gasman) in my opinion.
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Post by Danfun64 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:00 pm

"Ahhh! Ahh. Ahhhh? AAAaaahhhhhh..."

I'm sorry, but the noises he makes when he dies just aren't that good. I do admit that the Big Green actor for Bardock and Goku does a good job a lot of the time. Who knows how well he would have done with better direction?
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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:03 pm

^ That's how I feel with the Ocean dub. The "screams" of pain are awful. But anyways...

Gohan's first Super Saiyan 2 transformation is obviously great, but still very overrated. Goku's first SSJ was much better since we got much more build-up.
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:43 pm

Speaking of transformations.

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan must be one of the most terribly writen parts of the series overall, before the Cell games itself Gohan was barely doing anything in the whole Arc and when he does get to do something it´s during the latest part of the Cell games, before there´s no meaninful character development for him. Moreover, N°16 dead being the trigger to his rage feelscontrived, neither Gohan nor Him share any meaninfull connection (unlike Goku with Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Piccolo) and because of that the emotion is not strong.

Good example of dead triggering power up transformation would Trunks in his TVSpecial, we spend time connecting with both Gohan and Trunks and their struggle in their current situation and because of that when the former kicks the bucket, the feelings burst out from us and so does from Trunks, it´s impactful, emotional.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:09 pm

I don't care if Gohan is not a major fighter in Super. At the end of DBZ, he is retire and I think Super is trying to follow that path for him after the Buu saga.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:14 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't care if Gohan is not a major fighter in Super. At the end of DBZ, he is retire and I think Super is trying to follow that path for him after the Buu saga.
Agreed. If the scholar path is what they want to take, then EP52 is the way to do it.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:59 pm

Goten should've been given more personality traits and development. His whole dating thing didn't really cut it for me in GT but it's quite a bit better than whatever the heck they're doing with him in Super.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:05 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:Speaking of transformations.

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan must be one of the most terribly writen parts of the series overall, before the Cell games itself Gohan was barely doing anything in the whole Arc and when he does get to do something it´s during the latest part of the Cell games, before there´s no meaninful character development for him. Moreover, N°16 dead being the trigger to his rage feelscontrived, neither Gohan nor Him share any meaninfull connection (unlike Goku with Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Piccolo) and because of that the emotion is not strong.

Good example of dead triggering power up transformation would Trunks in his TVSpecial, we spend time connecting with both Gohan and Trunks and their struggle in their current situation and because of that when the former kicks the bucket, the feelings burst out from us and so does from Trunks, it´s impactful, emotional.
I agree. His lack of character development throughout the entire saga was a major issue. That said, the actual emotion and intensity of that arc was so amazing, I can forgive the bad writing. The beam struggle remains my overall favorite sequence in the entire series.
Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't care if Gohan is not a major fighter in Super. At the end of DBZ, he is retire and I think Super is trying to follow that path for him after the Buu saga.
Gohan never retired at the end of DBZ. Hell, I believe a GT guide states he continued training. Just so happens you couldn't be relevant if you were not Goku in GT. Super completely regressed his character, nerfed him, and cast him to the sidelines, which is just terrible.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:31 pm

At the end of DBZ, he has the nerdy look to him and it's likely that he step down to become a teacher. As for the GT guide books, a lot of the old guide books can be out of date now given how some of the statements are no longer relevant.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:43 pm

I loved the idea and execution of Ginyu-Tagoma.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:27 pm

The only time the franchise has every truly had great animation is when Studio Cockpit were involved in an episode.

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Post by Bansho64 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:49 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:The only time the franchise has every truly had great animation is when Studio Cockpit were involved in an episode.
Dang, not even Shimanuki or Hisada?

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Post by Kanassa » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:51 pm

I think that Gohan's tranformation scene in the Cell Games was a very badly exercuted scene in terms of writing. Bad build up, seemingly rushed and overall the trigger for it for me was stupid. Seriously, why is 16 the one giving Gohan the pep talk!?
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Post by ABED » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:02 pm

Kanassa wrote:I think that Gohan's tranformation scene in the Cell Games was a very badly exercuted scene in terms of writing. Bad build up, seemingly rushed and overall the trigger for it for me was stupid. Seriously, why is 16 the one giving Gohan the pep talk!?
Agreed to an extent. It's not as well executed as it should have been, but it still gives me goosebumps. And while it would've been stronger had the pep talk been from someone close to him, I do kinda like it that 16 was useful. His presence meant something.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:16 pm

Bansho64 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:The only time the franchise has every truly had great animation is when Studio Cockpit were involved in an episode.
Dang, not even Shimanuki or Hisada?
They're very good but not great.

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:27 pm

Viz gets to much hate. Sure the censorship in the Boo saga and recent releases are a bit ridiculous, but the translation is solid (minus a couple things) and it's a good English adaption of the series, and to be completely honest, it's my preferred way of experiencing the series, even over the original JPN version. Also Clyde "Tomato" Mandelin doesn't get enough credit for his work on Dragon Ball (and going off topic here for a moment, his legends of localization site is great).
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:07 pm

Funimation's dub for the Boo arc isn't good. It's better than the stuff that came before it by a small margin but I don't really think they were good. There were still badly translated lines and some of the voices were still bad in my opinion.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:10 pm

I still dislike the Funimation dub from 1999-2003. I don't get how it's better than the other anime dubs that are Americanize to kids like with DIC's Sailor Moon and Saban's Digimon? Both took out the Japanese music, had bad voice acting, bad dialogue and edit down the violence.
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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:19 am

Great Saiyaman is Gohan's character at his best. It's the one and only time I really liked Gohan.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:27 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:I loved the idea and execution of Ginyu-Tagoma.
Wow that is definitely the definition of an unpopular opinion haha. Curious why did you love it? It stripped away all of Tag's character growth just to seemingly have yet another Z throwback.

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