Things that grind your gears

[Bansho64]

I thought weaboos attack people for liking the dub. I'm not saying you cant prefer Japanese culture and not be a jerk. Tones of people here are respectfull about their separate opinion from my own. I'm always seeing the word used like this. Perhaps I'm using it wrong, kind of like how people use the word insanity as in the same thing as crazy. If I am, then my bad.

No problem man. That word is usually misused a lot and I myself didn't know the true meaning of it until a while ago. And I do agree no-one should be personally attacked regardless of what version of Dragon Ball you prefer.

[ABED]

It's more about making me and others laugh at the jerk's patheticness.

And I'm over hear laughing at the silly word.

[MajinMan]

Well, this doesn't exactly grind my gears, but the term "I grew up with it" confuses me. I saw VegettoEX mention this in another thread, and it made me think of something. If you grew up with the dub and Faulconer music, does that mean, in your mind, that you cannot and absolutely will not watch the Japanese version (unless you have to like with DBS)? It seems very sheltered and ignorant to me that there are fans of the series that are heavily involved in discussions, keep up with current news, collect merchandise, and yet do not want to watch DB or Z (hell, even GT to an extent) in Japanese because they "grew up" with the dub.

If you have other reasons, then that's fine. But here's the thing. I grew up with the dub like most people, and yet I easily transitioned into the Japanese version. To me, I don't watch Dragon Ball because of a dub or anything like that. I watch it because I love the series, and the dub butchered so much of the source material that it eventually made me completely disregard it. I have nostalgia for Toonami, watching it as a kid, and all sorts of stuff like that, but that didn't stop me. I guess it does kind of grind my gears, but only because of the lack of effort and ignorance put into that response. I mean, hell, we're talking about potential 20+ year old people here.

[Dbzfan94]

Well, this doesn't exactly grind my gears, but the term "I grew up with it" confuses me. I saw VegettoEX mention this in another thread, and it made me think of something. If you grew up with the dub and Faulconer music, does that mean, in your mind, that you cannot and absolutely will not watch the Japanese version (unless you have to like with DBS)? It seems very sheltered and ignorant to me that there are fans of the series that are heavily involved in discussions, keep up with current news, collect merchandise, and yet do not want to watch DB or Z (hell, even GT to an extent) in Japanese because they "grew up" with the dub.

If you have other reasons, then that's fine. But here's the thing. I grew up with the dub like most people, and yet I easily transitioned into the Japanese version. To me, I don't watch Dragon Ball because of a dub or anything like that. I watch it because I love the series, and the dub butchered so much of the source material that it eventually made me completely disregard it. I have nostalgia for Toonami, watching it as a kid, and all sorts of stuff like that, but that didn't stop me. I guess it does kind of grind my gears, but only because of the lack of effort and ignorance put into that response. I mean, hell, we're talking about potential 20+ year old people here.

What is hard to understand about someone simply not liking the Japanese voices?

[Cure Dragon 255]

Yeah, while I hate Faulconer and the DBZ Funi dub, I think your argument can very much be used in reverse, with people growing up with Kikuchi and so on.

[MajinMan]

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Well, this doesn't exactly grind my gears, but the term "I grew up with it" confuses me. I saw VegettoEX mention this in another thread, and it made me think of something. If you grew up with the dub and Faulconer music, does that mean, in your mind, that you cannot and absolutely will not watch the Japanese version (unless you have to like with DBS)? It seems very sheltered and ignorant to me that there are fans of the series that are heavily involved in discussions, keep up with current news, collect merchandise, and yet do not want to watch DB or Z (hell, even GT to an extent) in Japanese because they "grew up" with the dub.

If you have other reasons, then that's fine. But here's the thing. I grew up with the dub like most people, and yet I easily transitioned into the Japanese version. To me, I don't watch Dragon Ball because of a dub or anything like that. I watch it because I love the series, and the dub butchered so much of the source material that it eventually made me completely disregard it. I have nostalgia for Toonami, watching it as a kid, and all sorts of stuff like that, but that didn't stop me. I guess it does kind of grind my gears, but only because of the lack of effort and ignorance put into that response. I mean, hell, we're talking about potential 20+ year old people here.

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What is hard to understand about someone simply not liking the Japanese voices?

That's not what I was saying.

[GodKaio-Ken]

It grinds my gears when people say Piccolo understood Gohan better than Goku did while Cell was kicking his ass. Not sure about the manga (not to that point yet, I just started recently with the manga) but I rewatched the battle between Gohan and Cell the other day in Kai. Up to that point we see nothing of Gohan being a wimp, weakling, scared, so forth. In fact at that point Gohan actually wipes blood off his lip and comes back at Cell fairly hard. Then gives the speech about not wanting to have to kill Cell soon after.

In fact up until that point we can say Piccolo is actually 100% wrong in that moment. Gohan doesn't begin having true doubt until Goku is dead.

[Soppa Saia People]

Well, this doesn't exactly grind my gears, but the term "I grew up with it" confuses me. I saw VegettoEX mention this in another thread, and it made me think of something. If you grew up with the dub and Faulconer music, does that mean, in your mind, that you cannot and absolutely will not watch the Japanese version (unless you have to like with DBS)? It seems very sheltered and ignorant to me that there are fans of the series that are heavily involved in discussions, keep up with current news, collect merchandise, and yet do not want to watch DB or Z (hell, even GT to an extent) in Japanese because they "grew up" with the dub.

If you have other reasons, then that's fine. But here's the thing. I grew up with the dub like most people, and yet I easily transitioned into the Japanese version. To me, I don't watch Dragon Ball because of a dub or anything like that. I watch it because I love the series, and the dub butchered so much of the source material that it eventually made me completely disregard it. I have nostalgia for Toonami, watching it as a kid, and all sorts of stuff like that, but that didn't stop me. I guess it does kind of grind my gears, but only because of the lack of effort and ignorance put into that response. I mean, hell, we're talking about potential 20+ year old people here.

What is hard to understand about someone simply not liking the Japanese voices?

Wha ? When did he say that ?

[Bansho64]

What is hard to understand about someone simply not liking the Japanese voices?

That's not what the post was about at all. You're missing the whole point of it. It wasn't about someone not liking the Japanese voices but about someone relying purely on what they grew up with and using that as an excuse to not give anything else a chance. That's what he doesn't understand. People need to give things a chance is what he's saying. No-one has to and they have the full right as a person to decline but you may find you might be missing out on something you like if you don't give it one. I grew up with Disney movies and such and I was afraid to watch Once Upon A Time because I thought that they may have butchered some of the classic Disney characters I grew up with. I watched one episode and I liked it. Then another and another and suddenly I found myself having a new TV show I love. You see my point? I didn't have to like the show but I'd never know if I would or not because I never gave it a try. It's the same with Dragon Ball.

[Dbzfan94]

What is hard to understand about someone simply not liking the Japanese voices?

That's not what the post was about at all. You're missing the whole point of it. It wasn't about someone not liking the Japanese voices but about someone relying purely on what they grew up with and using that as an excuse to not give anything else a chance. That's what he doesn't understand. People need to give things a chance is what he's saying. No-one has to and they have the full right as a person to decline but you may find you might be missing out on something you like if you don't give it one. I grew up with Disney movies and such and I was afraid to watch Once Upon A Time because I thought that they may have butchered some of the classic Disney characters I grew up with. I watched one episode and I liked it. Then another and another and suddenly I found myself having a new TV show I love. You see my point? I didn't have to like the show but I'd never know if I would or not because I never gave it a try. It's the same with Dragon Ball.

I didn't really mean that pertained to me, but yeah I see your point.

[Hellspawn28]

I still don't like how people jump on the bandwagon for Super's animation. Yeah Super has a lot of bad animation, but Super has a lot of great animated scenes too.

[TheGreatness25]

Yeah. I see a ton of "Super has crappy animation!!!" with the same pictures of Goku vs Beerus being used. I might not be following along with Super, but I'm pretty sure that those pictures are from the very beginning of the series and a lot of stuff has happened since. Though I will admit, from what I've seen, they move awkwardly (it almost looks like a fan-drawn video).

[Hellspawn28]

I don't think Super is the worst looking animated anime from Toei. I would say Psychic Wars has the worst looking animation from Toei. It was release in 1991, but it looks like it was made in the early 1970's (Even Scooby Doo had better animation). I know Dragon Ball is a big brand name and fans want it to have A+++ animation that would make Pixar look jealous. I knew the animation would not be great since Toei did poorly with Sailor Moon Crystal and Digimon Fusion. Even the original DBZ had animation that was far from perfect.

[nite_jay]

With Super now though, I'd say the animation has improved a little. You can still tell that they put the most effort into the fights though, which is probably for the best. A lot of times the fights are the only moments with non robotic character movements.

[Steven Bloodriver]

What really grinds my gears is that Dragon Ball Super so far is dissing all of the heroes and doing the exact opposite to the villains.

[rereboy]

I still don't like how people jump on the bandwagon for Super's animation. Yeah Super has a lot of bad animation, but Super has a lot of great animated scenes too.

I criticize Super's animation because I see the quality of the animation that other anime of the season get. Many or most of them are frankly better or much better and they aren't part of a franchise as big and as important as Dragon Ball. There's really no excuse. If they can't at least match that quality without making the DB anime seasonal, then just do seasonal anime like the others. The current situation can only be explained with the guys at Toei being less concerned with the quality and more concerned with the amount of profit, and this is noticeable in more Toei products besides DB.

[Bansho64]

When people insult the administrators, staff, and members over here at Kanzenshuu without any merit. I ain't tryna sound like a kiss up or somethin' but this community is great and I find that the people who run the site put in a lot of work and seeing that work insulted upsets me. The people here are nice for the most part and this is one of the only communities where I find that people can discuss Dragon Ball with politeness and kindness

[Anime Kitten]

When people insult the administrators, staff, and members over here at Kanzenshuu without any merit. I ain't tryna sound like a kiss up or somethin' but this community is great and I find that the people who run the site put in a lot of work and seeing that work insulted upsets me. The people here are nice for the most part and this is one of the only communities where I find that people can discuss Dragon Ball with politeness and kindness

There seem to be some places that have discussions specifically dedicated to slandering the staff here.

But I'm not slandering anyone, so I won't say any more.

[Dbzfan94]

What really grinds my gears is that Dragon Ball Super so far is dissing all of the heroes and doing the exact opposite to the villains.

Because a lot of the heroes (namely Goku) have become pretty unlikable and OOC.

[Khin]

I don't think any other character besides Goku became unlikable or out-of-character in Super. Goku in my opinion, is the biggest problem Super has, not the animation, not the power scaling, etc. He's become so much dumber and childish that i tend skip episodes focused on him (Especially if it's written by Toshio) and just read the summary of the episode. I think if Toei writers especially Toshio will handle him well, the quality of Super will greatly rise up, even if the animation remains to be mediocre.

Goku in Super never seems to learn anything, i thought he would learn a lesson after the RoF Arc, but he didn't and looks like he just forgot how the Earth was destroyed because of his battle-hunger, he just become even more battle-hunger after that incedent. He also become much more dumber that he never found out that Monaka is a weakling despite all the obvious hints. Heck, even Goku easily recognized that Oolong is a weaksauce back when he was just a kid.