The green Rings of Time... A plot hole/Mistake

[Kishido]

Gowasu said they are created if someone changed the past... And that one has appeared some years back. We all should agree that he is talking about Trunks.

But what about Cell's timeline? He had a different timeline as well and went back to the past on hiw own. So shouldn't at the same time 2 green rings pop up.

Or even the mentioned 4th timeline?

Not that the timelines explaining in the past made sense but now with this rings even less.

[worrior_v1]

I think that he was referring to the multiple time-rings at the top of the box.

[Alee9977]

Those rings are from the 10th universe, it means that some people changed the past but in that universe.
All the changes that happened in the Cell saga were in the 7th universe, and we still haven't seen the time rings of universe 7.

[Kishido]

Those rings are from the 10th universe, it means that some people changed the past but in that universe.
All the changes that happened in the Cell saga were in the 7th universe, and we still haven't seen the time rings of universe 7.

Doubt it or why can Black use his ring of time at universe 7?

And some idiot is clearly about Trunks... They more than once told about consequences so I doubt they just talk about some random U10 character no one cares about

[Alruneia]

Those rings are from the 10th universe, it means that some people changed the past but in that universe.
All the changes that happened in the Cell saga were in the 7th universe, and we still haven't seen the time rings of universe 7.

There's absolutely no evidence of timeline splitting only affecting one (twin) universe. Logic gives that timeline splitting should affect all of reality. Trunks' time travel being implied to be the cause of one of the rings only solidifies this. There's really no reason to believe otherwise.

As far as the amount of timelines go, I think there's one green ring per timeline, but that back when there was only one timeline, there were no green rings. The green rings are tied to specific timelines. The silver ring most likely isn't, making it possible to go to any timeline... allowing Black to go seventeen years into the future and travel to Trunks' timeline, creating a causal loop. (Black is in the future -> Goku fights Black in the present -> Goku fights Zamasu in the present -> Zamasu becomes evil and creates/becomes Black -> Black goes to the future with the ring -> Black is in the future)
Cell arc time travel gives us that there are four timelines: Our timeline, Trunks' timeline, Cell's timeline, and the unseen timeline that the Trunks who was killed by Cell visited. However, Gowasu's dialogue seems to imply that only one timeline was created recently, and that the other two are older. In that case, we have our timeline, Trunks' timeline and two other, unrelated timelines. It's kinda confusing. I guess this is what Toriyama was talking about in that interview when he said we'd have to bear with him.

[sailorspazz]

While we don't know yet if the timeline splits affect one universe or all universes (because we really can't assume anything in this series), the existence of those green time rings does give some evidence to all universes being duplicated. (That is, unless those are indicating multiple instances of time travel that occurred in Universe 10, and each universe potentially has different quantities). But since Zamasu at this point has to be involved Black's creation somehow, it would make sense for the rings to be linked to the different timelines, allowing the gods to visit the timeline of their choosing.

It still begs the question of why Zamasu would choose Trunks' timeline, though. Since Black has the silver time ring, which (in theory) should allow him to choose any timeline he wants, why did Zamasu end up going somewhere where Gokuu is dead? But I guess we don't know yet exactly what his plan was and how Black was created, so maybe it all ties in to why that timeline was chosen. Or he wasn't aware of which timeline the Gokuu he met was from, and ended up choosing the wrong one (but then he could just go back and try a different one, right? They didn't say there was any sort of limit on how often the time rings could be used).

[Xeztin]

Those rings are from the 10th universe, it means that some people changed the past but in that universe.
All the changes that happened in the Cell saga were in the 7th universe, and we still haven't seen the time rings of universe 7.

Our Old Kai probably traded them to Roshi for a stack of Porno magazines

[Pluto]

I think what Gowasu meant by "idiot" is either an ex-apprentice or probably his predecessor. I dont think it is Turnks, unless Trunks never actually jumped to the past but rather to U7.

[dbgtFO]

This could turn out to be a plothole or it could turn to be Toriyama actually confirming there are 4 timelines like poorly explained in Daizenshuu 7's feature on it 20 years ago.
The silver ring must be the original one, that existed since the beginning, while the green ones are created, when someone creates alternate timelines like Trunks' and Cell's time-traveling did back in the Cell Arc, so given there are 4 green ones, it fits.

However Gowasu only mentions 1 ring being created recently, seemingly implying that the 3 other rings are from way before the Cell Arc and so not caused by Trunks' and Cell's time-travelling, which is a plothole as there are 3 confirmed timelines: Cell's timeline, where he wakes up to find no androids and so kills Trunks before going to the main timeline, which is of course the one we're mostly dealing with, where Cell gets defeated by Gohan, the Buu Arc happens and now we're dealing with a new Future Trunks Arc and lastly there's Trunks' timeline where he eventually defeats the androids and Cell, but then gets attacked by Black and flees to the main timeline.
Thus Gowasu should have stated 2(at least) were created recently and likely 3 given the likely existence of a 4th timeline, where the Trunks that got his time-machine stolen by Cell went to.

We'll see how the story develops and if this is addressed later on, which I hope, but there's a way, where it can make sense:

See since this Gowasu we are watching is from the main timeline, the number of green rings should actually had already been at 3, when the main timeline was created. It then increased to 4, when Trunks returned to his timeline after warning Goku about the androids, thus it's the only he knows of was created recently.

Granted I think there's one problem with this, mainly Gowasu's lack of knowledge about the 3 other time rings also being created recently as even a alternate timeline version of him should be working under the knowledge that only the Silver ring existed and so when he went to check the time rings he would have seen there were 3 new ones, but I think this is the only way to rectify any of this with the 4 timelines idea.

Thoughts, critiques and corrections are appreciated

[MCDaveG]

This bugs me as well. Does Kaioshin of Universe 10 have time rings for all the universes, or only Universe 10?
If for all, then the 4 time rings would be Trunks going back the first time, Cell going back, Trunks going back the second time and Trunks going back now?
Or is Trunks' alteration counted as one?
Is Trunks' timeline existing in Universe 10?

HOW does it all work?!

[Pluto]

This could turn out to be a plothole or it could turn to be Toriyama actually confirming there are 4 timelines like poorly explained in Daizenshuu 7's feature on it 20 years ago.
The silver ring must be the original one, that existed since the beginning, while the green ones are created, when someone creates alternate timelines like Trunks' and Cell's time-traveling did back in the Cell Arc, so given there are 4 green ones, it fits.

However Gowasu only mentions 1 ring being created recently, seemingly implying that the 3 other rings are from way before the Cell Arc and so not caused by Trunks' and Cell's time-travelling, which is a plothole as there are 3 confirmed timelines: Cell's timeline, where he wakes up to find no androids and so kills Trunks before going to the main timeline, which is of course the one we're mostly dealing with, where Cell gets defeated by Gohan, the Buu Arc happens and now we're dealing with a new Future Trunks Arc and lastly there's Trunks' timeline where he eventually defeats the androids and Cell, but then gets attacked by Black and flees to the main timeline.
Thus Gowasu should have stated 2(at least) were created recently and likely 3 given the likely existence of a 4th timeline, where the Trunks that got his time-machine stolen by Cell went to.

We'll see how the story develops and if this is addressed later on, which I hope, but there's a way, where it can make sense:

See since this Gowasu we are watching is from the main timeline, the number of green rings should actually had already been at 3, when the main timeline was created. It then increased to 4, when Trunks returned to his timeline after warning Goku about the androids, thus it's the only he knows of was created recently.

Granted I think there's one problem with this, mainly Gowasu's lack of knowledge about the 3 other time rings also being created recently as even a alternate timeline version of him should be working under the knowledge that only the Silver ring existed and so when he went to check the time rings he would have seen there were 3 new ones, but I think this is the only way to rectify any of this with the 4 timelines idea.

Thoughts, critiques and corrections are appreciated

I really like this...i have a bit of doubt that the green rings can be created without actually using a silver ring to move around time, hence why i think Trunks and Bulma are not the reason of any reality shift.

Also, as i cant redownload the episode (bloody KATdotCR) and watch the translation again, i think Gowasu refers to the Idiot as more someone who he knows, probably distancing himself mentioning names.

PS, regarding KAT, can anyone silently share an alternative remedy via PM?

[Commander_Red]

No future Trunks = No future Cell (or no Cell at all?). It's all Trunks'/Bulma's fault. It's the same Trunks travelling back and forth, so he'd be like the pivot point. There'd be even more than two rings created ideally because you'd think a lot would be messed up, but it just seems focused around Trunks the way they're explaining it.

[Pannaliciour]

1)Future trunks travels back to inform goku and co about androids
2)Future trunks travels back to see if they did destroy the androids.
3)Future Trunks travels back to inform about Black

4)Cell travels Back to look for the androids

5) Black travels back

6) The another (mistery) cell travel back in time)

Thats 5 or 6 green rings. Right??

[Nejishiki]

The three timeline splits, to my understanding, are 1) Future Trunks traveling 20 years into the alternate past, 2) Cell traveling 21 years into the alternate past that Future Trunks is destined to arrive in, and 3) Future Trunks traveling 17 years into the alternate past of an era he's visited before. The third one utilizes the coordinates he's still using in Dragon Ball Super. Presumably, he doesn't create a new timeline split this way. Goku Black arriving in the present era shouldn't have caused any timeline splits, I think. When did Cell travel in time a second time? I must have forgotten that.

This is assuming the green Time Rings are related to Future Trunks, at least.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

My current thoughts on the whole Time Ring situation is that the "original" silver ring is always defaulted to timeline it's created in by a split, and that the green ones are created via splitting the timeline and are thereafter linked to that timeline (part of my hopeful theory on why Black and his silver ring is from Trunks' timeline, and not the main timeline, because of the stupid paradox that would create).

So in the main timeline, just based off the 4 Timeline Theory in the the Daizenshuu, the silver ring would represent them (even though they are a created timeline) and the other three would be represented by green rings. Thus, if we just count the shenanigans from the Cell Arc, the main timeline would have come into creation with their own silver ring, a green ring for Cell's timeline and a green ring for the unseen timeline. The green ring for Trunks' timeline would appear shortly after, when he returns home strong enough to not die at Cell's hand.

The obvious problem with this is that even with the addition of the ring for Trunks' timeline, that still only amounts to 4 total rings. So, either someone split the timeline before Trunks ever started his chain in the Cell Arc and Gowasu was talking about his timeline being the latest ring, or someone else has split it in the years after and Gowasu wasn't referencing Trunks at all...which doesn't seem quite right to me since we're in the "Future" Trunks Arc.

All this currently hinges on trusting that the anime's depiction of things is correct. Given that there's been some...let's just call it a "lack of clarity" in this adaptation of the material, I'm admittedly waiting for Toyotaro's manga version of these events. Toyotaro, as a knowledgeable super fan himself, generally because he tends to have his shit together more than the anime staff.

[Hit!!]

The timeline cell created is included in that box. There are 4 in total.

[GodKaio-Ken]

My current thoughts on the whole Time Ring situation is that the "original" silver ring is always defaulted to timeline it's created in by a split, and that the green ones are created via splitting the timeline and are thereafter linked to that timeline (part of my hopeful theory on why Black and his silver ring is from Trunks' timeline, and not the main timeline, because of the stupid paradox that would create).

So in the main timeline, just based off the 4 Timeline Theory in the the Daizenshuu, the silver ring would represent them (even though they are a created timeline) and the other three would be represented by green rings. Thus, if we just count the shenanigans from the Cell Arc, the main timeline would have come into creation with their own silver ring, a green ring for Cell's timeline and a green ring for the unseen timeline. The green ring for Trunks' timeline would appear shortly after, when he returns home strong enough to not die at Cell's hand.

The obvious problem with this is that even with the addition of the ring for Trunks' timeline, that still only amounts to 4 total rings. So, either someone split the timeline before Trunks ever started his chain in the Cell Arc and Gowasu was talking about his timeline being the latest ring, or someone else has split it in the years after and Gowasu wasn't referencing Trunks at all...which doesn't seem quite right to me since we're in the "Future" Trunks Arc.

All this currently hinges on trusting that the anime's depiction of things is correct. Given that there's been some...let's just call it a "lack of clarity" in this adaptation of the material, I'm admittedly waiting for Toyotaro's manga version of these events. Toyotaro, as a knowledgeable super fan himself, generally because he tends to have his shit together more than the anime staff.

To be honest I didn't think Gowasu was referencing Trunks at all in his statement. He probably was, but it wasnt my first thought at the time. Why? Because he made it sound extremely recent while quite a bit of time has actually passed since Trunks split the timelines. I believe Gowasu said either "A couple" or "A few" years ago which sounds very recent.

[Pannaliciour]

He tells Zamasu about the differently colored Time Rings in the box: those were born when history was changed, creating parallel worlds. In fact, a new ring was created just a few years ago, apparently the result of “some idiot” creating a parallel world.

Hmm so a new ring only when history has changed. So no ring for Black traveling back and Trunks when he arrived the second time (finding out how the z fighters are doing against the androids)

[TheDevilsCorpse]

To be honest I didn't think Gowasu was referencing Trunks at all in his statement. He probably was, but it wasnt my first thought at the time. Why? Because he made it sound extremely recent while quite a bit of time has actually passed since Trunks split the timelines. I believe Gowasu said either "A couple" or "A few" years ago which sounds very recent.

Depends on your interpretation I guess. With as long as Kaioshin live, a little over a decade might feel that recent to him. Though I'm not entirely sure he meant Trunks either, but it not being Trunks and then no further elaboration being given (at least yet) just seems odd. Which is another reason why I'm waiting for the manga. Toyotaro could also do like Toriyama often did and draw a little doodle in the speech bubble of what was being referenced (like when explaining about the other Kaioshin that Boo killed), to easily hint if the line is supposed to be about Trunks.

[batistabus]

Silver: Current Timeline
Green (1): Trunks
Green (2): Cell
Green (3): Daizenshuu 7's timeline where Trunks doesn't show up to the Cell Games? Perhaps Omori succeeded with his time-travel persuits?
Green (4): Something involving Black/Zamasu

Maybe?