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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:20 pm

Personally, I think Tao Pai Pai coming back in a movie could've been a better than Resurrection F. He honesty would've been a better comeback villain rather than Freeza to me.

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Post by ABED » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:27 pm

Bansho64 wrote:Personally, I think Tao Pai Pai coming back in a movie could've been a better than Resurrection F. He honesty would've been a better comeback villain rather than Freeza to me.
It's a big enough stretch that Freeza could be a threat, it's an even bigger one if Tao Pai Pai was the big bad.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:32 pm

ABED wrote:It's a big enough stretch that Freeza could be a threat, it's an even bigger one if Tao Pai Pai was the big bad.
To me, he would've been a more entertaining villain.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kanassa » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:35 pm

Bansho64 wrote:Personally, I think Tao Pai Pai coming back in a movie could've been a better than Resurrection F. He honesty would've been a better comeback villain rather than Freeza to me.
I'd of prefered King Piccolo, now that would of been good for the Z-fighters. He killed Krillin before it was cool!
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:43 pm

Bansho64 wrote:
ABED wrote:It's a big enough stretch that Freeza could be a threat, it's an even bigger one if Tao Pai Pai was the big bad.
To me, he would've been a more entertaining villain.
First, why? And second, he's not a credible threat.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:52 pm

ABED wrote:First, why? And second, he's not a credible threat.
I don't know why. The only reason I got is because I wanna see him instead of Freeza.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:58 pm

Kanassa wrote:He killed Krillin before it was cool!
More like when it was cool. :wink:
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Post by Nejishiki » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:38 pm

Not to rain on the parade, but Tambourine, Piccolo Daimao's child, killed Kuririn, not the evil split of God himself. I'd say it's more accurate to claim Nakao made executing him a popular trend. :thumbup:

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Post by Cipher » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:29 pm

Bansho64 wrote:Personally, I think Tao Pai Pai coming back in a movie could've been a better than Resurrection F. He honesty would've been a better comeback villain rather than Freeza to me.
Tao Pai Pai reveals he's never trained a day in his life, was already this strong

If he trains non-stop for four months, he should be able to reach a power level of thirteen-thousand!

Trains and comes back, is killed by Super Saiyan Blue

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Post by ABED » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:29 pm

I see what you did there, but there's still a giant difference between Freeza and Tao Pai Pai, and to be fair (even if I didn't like the movie) Freeza said he was his power level was over 1 million in his first form.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Krillin1994 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:07 pm

ABED wrote:I don't dislike the RRA arc, but Goku runs through the RRA with very little opposition.
Hmmm

Major Metalitron, Buyon, General Blue and Tao?

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Post by ABED » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:11 pm

Krillin1994 wrote:
ABED wrote:I don't dislike the RRA arc, but Goku runs through the RRA with very little opposition.
Hmmm

Major Metalitron, Buyon, General Blue and Tao?
I said very little. I would say 4 counts as very little. Of those 4, I would say only Blue and Tao Pai Pai (not part of the RRA) are a big threat.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Krillin1994 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:13 pm

I would personally count 4 enemies who Goku struggled with to be a significant amount.

I don't think he's struggled with as many enemies in any other arc.

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Post by ABED » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:16 pm

Krillin1994 wrote:I would personally count 4 enemies who Goku struggled with to be a significant amount.

I don't think he's struggled with as many enemies in any other arc.
I wouldn't consider either Buyon or Sergeant Metallic to be big struggles. And Goku typically doesn't face many guys in each arc, but the guys he does, it's usually a struggle for him.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Krillin1994 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:20 pm

I wouldn't class them as little opposition though, since they were obviously far stronger than a typical Red Ribbon army Solider.

Goku couldn't physically beat Buyon or Major Metalitron so they definitely count as opposition in my opinion.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kanassa » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:25 pm

Krillin1994 wrote:I wouldn't class them as little opposition though, since they were obviously far stronger than a typical Red Ribbon army Solider.

Goku couldn't physically beat Buyon or Major Metalitron so they definitely count as opposition in my opinion.
And considering that they do make up the majority of non-fodder enemies in the arc...
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Post by ABED » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:29 pm

Krillin1994 wrote:I wouldn't class them as little opposition though, since they were obviously far stronger than a typical Red Ribbon army Solider.

Goku couldn't physically beat Buyon or Major Metalitron so they definitely count as opposition in my opinion.
He did beat them and they did no real damage to Goku, and I would say Goku physically beat Metallic. Metallic didn't just run out of energy, Goku's fight caused him to run out of batteries, and whether Goku physically beat Buyon into defeat isn't relevant. He beat his opponent with a clever strategy. White hurt Goku more than Metallic or Buyon, but it's conjecture as to if he could've finished the job. So, sure, opposition, but not major.

I would call them little. Maybe they're stronger than the ham and eggers, but they weren't significant threats. Goku's clothes weren't even ripped. Blue on the other hand stood a good chance of killing him, and Tao Pai Pai almost did. No one else got nearly as close. Even the heads of the RRA were nothing compared to him.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Krillin1994 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:34 pm

Kanassa wrote:
And considering that they do make up the majority of non-fodder enemies in the arc...
But the arc placed more emphasis on adventure than fighting. It was still pretty light hearted and gag heavy.

Ninja Murasaki is one of my favourite characters in the franchise. and whilst weaker than Goku wasn't exactly fodder.

I'd also say Goku struggled against the Pirate Robot.

Plus General White, Colonel Silver, and Black, despite being beaten relatively easily by Goku weren't exactly fodder. Especially not White who had the upper hand on Goku temporarily.

- Also Metalitron's batteries hadn't been changed for a long time I thought?

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Post by ABED » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:39 pm

Krillin1994 wrote:
Kanassa wrote:
And considering that they do make up the majority of non-fodder enemies in the arc...
But the arc placed more emphasis on adventure than fighting. It was still pretty light hearted and gag heavy.

Ninja Murasaki is one of my favourite characters in the franchise. and whilst weaker than Goku wasn't exactly fodder.

I'd also say Goku struggled against the Pirate Robot.

Plus General White, Colonel Silver, and Black, despite being beaten relatively easily by Goku weren't exactly fodder. Especially not White who had the upper hand on Goku temporarily.
Yes, there's a "struggle", but it's minor in comparison to something like the fight against Raditz or Cymbol or 19.

I like that the RRA is different and I enjoy it, but I wouldn't consider it the best, especially since the main antagonist is a joke and not particularly interesting.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Krillin1994 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:46 pm

ABED wrote:
Yes, there's a "struggle", but it's minor in comparison to something like the fight against Raditz or Cymbol or 19.

I like that the RRA is different and I enjoy it, but I wouldn't consider it the best, especially since the main antagonist is a joke and not particularly interesting.
Cymbol wasn't really that big a fight. Yajirobe quite effortlessly beat him and rather quickly and the struggle against 19 was only really a thing due to the heart virus though.

I agree the Joke reveal of Commander Red's wish was lack lustre. I think I'd have preferred Black to hijack the organisation because he has a ridiculous wish rather than the other way round.

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