"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[dbzfan7]

But as I said, he hardly fought Trunks at all. I see what you're saying, but it feels against his nature to rush a fight. Makes the battle too easy, which I feel Goku would find boring. Which is why he doesn't rush against weaker opponents even if they're out to kill him.

I don't see that as really any different from his tons of fights with Vegeta. He's fought him way more, and doesn't rush those fights. He takes his time with Vegeta.

Wasn't that mostly an anime thing though? I don't remember manga Goku dragging on battles like that. He quickly used SSJ2 against Yakkon out of all things.

He felt out Yakon a bit first, but that's another good point. I'm speaking from Goku's love of fighting, I find it very odd his selective choice of who he'll drag out fights with, and who he'll just straight up beat. If he did the same for both friend and foe it'd make sense.

[TheMikado]

^ Gokus a thrill seeker he only enjoys and drags out a fight when he knows the possible outcome is everyone he knows and loves is endangered and possibly killed.

[SansrivaaL]

WTH is going on? Goku was forced to go SSJG against a SSJ2 Trunks? that is bullshit! SSJ3 should have been enough to the job like how the anime handled it, but nope gotta make Trunks' SSJ2 stronger than Goku at SSJ2 the guy that fought Beerus and is being trained by Whis.... I dont understand any of this anymore.

Well I guess we can always take that Trunks had a hell of a zenkai boost from fighting Black and getting his ass pulverized everytime effortlessly, and this does make Black a bit more dangerous than the anime, if a Trunks SSJ2 can force Goku into SSJG then think what Black could do that's been toying with Trunks in serious legit situations, and to top that shiz off Black has his flower form.

[Quantum-Kakarrotto]

WTH is going on? Goku was forced to go SSJG against a SSJ2 Trunks? that is bullshit! SSJ3 should have been enough to the job like how the anime handled it, but nope gotta make Trunks' SSJ2 stronger than Goku at SSJ2 the guy that fought Beerus and is being trained by Whis.... I dont understand any of this anymore.

Well I guess we can always take that Trunks had a hell of a zenkai boost from fighting Black and getting his ass pulverized everytime effortlessly, and this does make Black a bit more dangerous than the anime, if a Trunks SSJ2 can force Goku into SSJG then think what Black could do that's been toying with Trunks in serious legit situations, and to top that shiz off Black has his flower form.

Trunks didn't force Goku into SSG, Goku just transformed into the form to show off against Trunks basically and one shot him. It was said Trunks was close to the power of SSJ3 but not stronger. Goku basically just transformed into red god form to show off, or because Toyotaro really just loves that form and likes to keep it relevant unlike the anime.

[Grimlock]

WTH is going on? Goku was forced to go SSJG against a SSJ2 Trunks? that is bullshit! SSJ3 should have been enough to the job like how the anime handled it, but nope gotta make Trunks' SSJ2 stronger than Goku at SSJ2 the guy that fought Beerus and is being trained by Whis.... I dont understand any of this anymore.

Well I guess we can always take that Trunks had a hell of a zenkai boost from fighting Black and getting his ass pulverized everytime effortlessly, and this does make Black a bit more dangerous than the anime, if a Trunks SSJ2 can force Goku into SSJG then think what Black could do that's been toying with Trunks in serious legit situations, and to top that shiz off Black has his flower form.

Since when transforming necessarily means being forced to transform? Can't a person have free will and do whatever one wants?

[SansrivaaL]

He was forced because he went SSJ3 and still went higher, meaning he needed a form higher regardless of what the reason may be, and yes I do know that Goku still had the small edge, theres a reason why I only said "Trunks' SSJ2 stronger than Goku at SSJ2 "

[dbzfan7]

Pretty sure zenkai's died out around the time of SSJ, and grew insignificant. I believe that was mentioned somewhere.

[SansrivaaL]

Pretty sure zenkai's died out around the time of SSJ, and grew insignificant. I believe that was mentioned somewhere.

Yes but I needed a reason to make this Trunks SSJ2>>>>>Goku SSJ2 seem legit in universe and thats the only thing I can think of. I remember Toriyama saying that the zenkai boost's only gives them a small boost now.

[dbzfan7]

Pretty sure zenkai's died out around the time of SSJ, and grew insignificant. I believe that was mentioned somewhere.

Yes but I needed a reason to make this Trunks SSJ2>>>>>Goku SSJ2 seem legit in universe and thats the only thing I can think of. I remember Toriyama saying that the zenkai boost's only gives them a small boost now.

Well he is a half breed and had over a decade to get better. Makes more sense to me than LOLRAGETA and LOL4MONTHS personally. Sure it's still questionable, but at least he was given a more believable time frame, and even then still doesn't compare to powers of the gods.

[Cipher]

Pretty sure zenkai's died out around the time of SSJ, and grew insignificant. I believe that was mentioned somewhere.

Yes but I needed a reason to make this Trunks SSJ2>>>>>Goku SSJ2 seem legit in universe and thats the only thing I can think of. I remember Toriyama saying that the zenkai boost's only gives them a small boost now.

This was tossed around quite a bit in the "Power Levels" thread, but I don't think it needs a whole lot of explanation.

Think about how powerful Super Saiyan became for Goku between his first use on Namek and the Cell Games, when he and Gohan had mastered it.

No one in the main timeline has ever really trained Super Saiyan 2. It's entirely reasonable that, as a Super Saiyan form more "stable" than 3, it has a huge upper limit as well. This conveniently lines up with Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta's brief power increase against Beerus, and it makes sense that Trunks would be the first to master its use, as he's had nearly a decade of struggle without knowledge of other forms.

At least in Toyotarou's manga, it turns out Super Saiyan 2 is just an awesome form that was worth putting more time into. But if you look its users in the main timeline:

• Gohan stopped training, and obtained a more powerful power-up in his normal form during his next crisis.
• Vegeta only has the form for a few years before obtaining Super Saiyan Blue, and in that time witnesses both Super Saiyan 3 and Super Saiyan God.
• Goku obtains Super Saiyan 3 while dead.
• Both Goku and Vegeta have families as well.

Trunks is the only character with the time and motivation to work with 2 and make it a better transformation. Especially if we assume he obtained it not too long after defeating the Androids (which, why not, after seeing Gohan use it). Babidi and Dabra might have shown up fairly quickly after his return as well.

[Kishido]

Lol at the power levels.

Rest is OK

[Shin]

hey here's a concept: Gokuu was holding back over time during the sparring match to see how Trunks would fair.

[Sandubadear]

Re: Trunks had 10+ years to train

So did Gohan, yet he never went beyond SSJ1. I'm going to make my headcanon that Trunks freed Old Kai and got the ritual done but left midway, that kills two birds with one stone.

[Cipher]

hey here's a concept: Gokuu was holding back over time during the sparring match to see how Trunks would fair.

That's a fine reading for the anime at this point (though, per my posts in other threads, I'd place money on it stealthily changing gears to align with lower power for characters' forms outside of Blue), the manga is pretty unambiguous about the fact that Trunks has worked Super Saiyan 2 into a level that can compete with Goku's Super Saiyan 3. Vegeta's comments on this, and Goku's use of Super Saiyan God to quickly end the fight, don't leave a lot of room for interpretation.

[Friezacooler]

This doesn't make a lot of sense, but I like it. Means Beerus can die without being overpowered. Adds a neat weakness to him.

and what is so cool about that more like lame to give him the same Piccolo and kami treatment.

to bad there is no saiyan saga Vegeta anymore or he would have token advantage of such major information.

[dbzfan7]

This doesn't make a lot of sense, but I like it. Means Beerus can die without being overpowered. Adds a neat weakness to him.

and what is so cool about that more like lame to give him the same Piccolo and kami treatment.

to bad there is no saiyan saga Vegeta anymore or he would have token advantage of such major information.

Means he isn't entirely safe or unstoppable by even mortal standards. Mean tension doesn't have be utterly dead when he shows up on screen.

Good luck with that. Good luck finding the Kaioshin. Hell any Kaioshin would murder early Vegeta easily.

[Cipher]

to bad there is no saiyan saga Vegeta anymore or he would have token advantage of such major information.

I'm not sure why you think Saiyan arc Vegeta could fly to the Kaioshin Realm and kill someone stronger than Freeza, but I like your assessment of his gusto. He might just try it.

[Pannaliciour]

3 things:

1- I hate it when people say the manga is the correct one, It fits better than anime and Akira is involved more. I am thinking: really? Akira has worked on both the movies and anime before the manga came out. He delivers his story/script to toei. The anime has for example ssj god absorbing thing LIKE in the movie (bog) and yet the manga doesn't. So 2 vs 1, sorry but I chose anime for the main source (it is also more ahead than the manga the most.of the.time)

Don't get me wrong I also do like the manga but don't say stuff like it is the main source because it fits better, no it doesnt, YOU think it fits better.

2- The ssj 2 fight (goku vs trunks) much better in manga than anime

3- wtf Black using IT for a rock and not that powerfull ki blast Trunks did earlyer?? Guess rock >ki blast?

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Toei writers should take advice from Toyotaro when writing Gokuu cause Gokuu in the manga feels so much like Gokuu while sadly in the anime except for King Ryuu episodes he is inconsistent.

- Travis

[jplaya2023]

where is everyone seeing goku needing ssj blue to beat trunks? From the scans i got goku turns ssj3 and knocks him out similiar to how black did in the future.