Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Hugo Boss » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:12 pm

I guess you should wait someone who speaks Japanese to clarify that. In my perspective, Beerus didn't implied Goku's and Black's kis are totally different, despite that possibly being the case. The lack of reiteration doesn't mean that much either. It could mean Black has a mix of Zamasu & Goku's kis, possibly implying they are merged. Perhaps the Potara preserved Goku's body and Zamasu's spirit or something like that.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Luso Saiyan » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:25 pm

Chiki wrote:Beerus's sentence "Son Goku, yet not Son Goku" can be read as "He looks like Son Goku, yet his ki doesn't feel like Son Goku's."
That's an interpretation. And both are different than what appeared on the subs: "This isn't Son Goku fighting Son Goku." The latter is a statement of fact (a false one, since that wasn't a fact in the episode).

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by EmmaWinters » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:37 pm

Chiki wrote:No, speedsubbers got that line right and you got it wrong,
The original line:
孫 悟空         Son Goku
にして 孫 悟空にあらず only not Son Goku...

あのブラックってやつ   that Black fellow
から 感じる気      to sense (or "what I'm sensing") from [his] ki
がね           ga ne, sentence end
感じる気 is "to sense ki", so から 感じる気 (to sense from あのブラックってやつ's ki) means that he's sensing 孫 悟空にして 孫 悟空にあらず. Even if Black's ki shares no resemblance to Goku's, I don't think this line can be fairly interpreted any other way.

When I explained this to you on Reddit days ago, you demanded that I produce multiple native speakers to prove myself to you, and declined my recommendation to contact the translators at DragonTeam, or even Herms here at Kanzenshuu. I've done both for you.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by VegettoEX » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:16 pm

I'm not particularly interested in said drama from said external thread making its way here. The answer has been given yet again, so we'll consider it explained in full and resolved here.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by ahill1 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:49 pm

Where are the other episodes' translations?

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:00 pm

This new sub group [Batman] any good? Or another crappy speed sub group?

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Khin » Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:32 am

Episode 27 wrote:Minute: 6
Kuririn: "Unbelievable! Vegeta's obtained the power of a Super Saiyan God, too?!"
Shouldn't that be Roshi ?

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by sophitia » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:18 am

I have question, can someone confirm that Rose is pink in France?
And how do you pronounce it?

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:25 am

Yep, Rose is pink in France.
We pronounce it like this: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1f5qyjI5u1I

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by sophitia » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:44 am

Thanks a lot. I thought it was pronounced Ro-ze just like Black said.

But I guess only Japanese pronounce it that way.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:00 am

Guess too. Plus, the "R" pronounciation is completly different between us (french) and japanese/english-speakers.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by ssj_duelist » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:31 am

Since the sibs are taking extra long, could this at least be updated quicker?

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Post by VegettoEX » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:25 am

ssj_duelist wrote:Since the sibs are taking extra long, could this at least be updated quicker?
I guess this needs to be posted again:

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by EmmaWinters » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:16 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:This new sub group [Batman] any good? Or another crappy speed sub group?
They've been perfectly fine so far.
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Episode 27 wrote:Minute: 6
Kuririn: "Unbelievable! Vegeta's obtained the power of a Super Saiyan God, too?!"
Shouldn't that be Roshi ?
You're right! I'll edit that in.
ssj_duelist wrote:Since the sibs are taking extra long, could this at least be updated quicker?
I'll do what I can; my work schedule is a little crazy at the moment.
In the meantime, if there are any specific lines you'd like to see addressed, feel free to leave them here.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:24 pm

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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:This new sub group [Batman] any good? Or another crappy speed sub group?
They've been perfectly fine so far.
Yeah so everyone has been saying this week. I guess I'll give them a whirl tonight! (Read somehwhere that they were the same people behind pafu subs so I was a little cautious).

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by EmmaWinters » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:15 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
EmmaWinters wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:This new sub group [Batman] any good? Or another crappy speed sub group?
They've been perfectly fine so far.
Yeah so everyone has been saying this week. I guess I'll give them a whirl tonight! (Read somehwhere that they were the same people behind pafu subs so I was a little cautious).
I can say with certainty that they're completely different people.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Krillin1994 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:12 am

In episode 16 I was wondering if I could have some clarification.

The whole Krillin wondering whether he made the right choice in giving up martial arts. People seem to suggest that he affirms he made the correct choice retiring. But I still got the impression that he's training again.

His whole reaction to the situation was positive "I'll do it". Saying he'll do it doesn't make sense as in "I'll give up martial arts now" since he's already been retired.... The only way "I'll do it" makes sense is if he resumes training.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Cetra » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:16 pm

sophitia wrote:Thanks a lot. I thought it was pronounced Ro-ze just like Black said.

But I guess only Japanese pronounce it that way.
You might want to know that the flower is pronounced in German like Black pronounces it.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Terez » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:12 am

Cetra wrote:
sophitia wrote:Thanks a lot. I thought it was pronounced Ro-ze just like Black said.

But I guess only Japanese pronounce it that way.
You might want to know that the flower is pronounced in German like Black pronounces it.
Furthermore, I don't think the question was specific enough in the first place. Rose and Rosé are different words in French, and Rosé is pronounced just as it is in DBS. (See links for audio clips.) Rose=pink, rosé=light pink, and vin rosé is named for its color.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by LaRésistance » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:45 am

sophitia wrote:Thanks a lot. I thought it was pronounced Ro-ze just like Black said.

But I guess only Japanese pronounce it that way.
I'm a bit late to the party but I feel the need to clear something up.

"Rose" does indeed mean "pink" in French.

"Rosé" (more or less pronounced "ro-ze") is what we call pink wine in France. Since Super Saiyajin Rosé is a pun on that alcoholic beverage, that's how it should be pronounced, even in foreign dubs.

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