Sodhi wrote:In episode 50 everyone was able to sense black's ki. I think black is still learning about god ki, and ssr will be when he figured out how to use it with goku's body. Just a theory though.
This is my guess as well.
Even if there's some conflict regarding Kaioshin's inability to be sensed and Black's ki feeling like Zamasu's, there's at least the caveat that he's using Goku's body (or something like that yet to be revealed), and doesn't yet seem to have mastery over it.
Cipher wrote:It'll be interesting to see how an English dub tackles this, where "rosé" is almost never used to refer to the color alone, as it occasionally is in Japan. I'm betting they'll just go with "rose" sans accent, which -- while not quite accurate -- has more of a color connotation in the West than "rosé," which is used almost exclusively to refer to the wine.
I'd hope not. We've done too well with the English dub in the past years to regress towards "convenient" adaptions for the sake of, well... just the sake of doing so! I'd like to think the general public can handle learning something new in regards to culture to retain the apparent naming convention. This is anecdotal, but the use of rosé is referenced in popular music often, as well, so it isn't coming out of nowhere in regards to the West. I don't think it's any worse than the children having to figure out there's god names based on beer, whiskey, champagne, and calvados eventually.
Nejishiki wrote:I'd hope not. We've done too well with the English dub in the past years to regress towards "convenient" adaptions for the sake of, well... just the sake of doing so! I'd like to think the general public can handle learning something new in regards to culture to retain the apparent naming convention. This is anecdotal, but the use of rosé is referenced in popular music often, as well, so it isn't coming out of nowhere in regards to the West. I don't think it's any worse than the children having to figure out there's god names based on beer, whiskey, champagne, and calvados eventually.
This situation presents some acceptable wiggle-room for me. It's a case where, in Japanese, the word is sometimes used for a color, whereas the same loan word already exists in English and usually isn't. I wasn't thinking of it from an appropriateness standpoint so much as a naturalistic one.
Which is the better translation in that case? The one that retains the loan word exactly despite different contexts, or the one that retains the idea the name is based on its color? Hard to say.
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Depending upon future developments in the story, I'm sure the full context behind the name should direct how it's handled. I can see a case for it if characters or visual symbolism ignores it altogether and it's seen as just another transformation. I'm leaning towards the possibility of story beats bringing attention towards it, however. I'm all about retaining the nuance, even if it's not immediately obvious.
Chuquita wrote:EDIT: Nevermind; it's already been translated and I just read it. Thank you Herms!
Also; I miss those F and Champa arc dougi and armor every time they pop up in these; I hope they return in the next arc.
I think we'll see them in round 3 of the Black fight, (I don't think this upcoming round 2 will be the last) because even if they kill Black right then a there so many questions will be unanswered.
Chuquita wrote:EDIT: Nevermind; it's already been translated and I just read it. Thank you Herms!
Also; I miss those F and Champa arc dougi and armor every time they pop up in these; I hope they return in the next arc.
Maybe each outfit will get 2 arcs, the F outfits got 2 and this is the second for the BoG outfits and then they'll get a new ones for 2 arcs after this.
Chuquita wrote:EDIT: Nevermind; it's already been translated and I just read it. Thank you Herms!
Also; I miss those F and Champa arc dougi and armor every time they pop up in these; I hope they return in the next arc.
Maybe each outfit will get 2 arcs, the F outfits got 2 and this is the second for the BoG outfits and then they'll get a new ones for 2 arcs after this.
That'd be good. I'd be happy with new outfits or the return of the F / Champa ones.
I want Goku to keep his outfit. I don't think any outfit could look better on him. The ROF arc one just didn't do it for me mainly because I prefer him with an undershirt. Vegetas ROF armor was awesome though.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Oohhh,Chuquita, I miss them as much as you do. I really want them to change back because Vegeta's current armor is obsolete, and Goku's gi already got its spotlight for the entirety of Z. The F clothes lasted for a movie and an arc. They'd make more money if they made toys of, for example, Super Saiyan 2 and 3 Goku in the F gi.
Chuquita wrote:EDIT: Nevermind; it's already been translated and I just read it. Thank you Herms!
Also; I miss those F and Champa arc dougi and armor every time they pop up in these; I hope they return in the next arc.
Maybe each outfit will get 2 arcs, the F outfits got 2 and this is the second for the BoG outfits and then they'll get a new ones for 2 arcs after this.
That'd be good. I'd be happy with new outfits or the return of the F / Champa ones.
If Rosé is acheivabe maybe they'll design something specific for that in the next arc? Though I think every form so far looks good in the F outfits no idea why they decided to revert. And it looks like a Toriyama thing. My best guess is a throwback to the Cell arc? Idk.
I predict Rosé to be unique to Black. A combination of whatever is going on there with the Saiyans physiology, assuming that's Goku's body. It's a way of having new transformations and not give them to Goku or Vegeta.
Better than boringly upping the ante every arc with Blue 2, Blue 3 ad infinitum.
I'm not against new transformations, but let Blue do some work before progressing.
LightBing wrote:I predict Rosé to be unique to Black. A combination of whatever is going on there with the Saiyans physiology, assuming that's Goku's body. It's a way of having new transformations and not give them to Goku or Vegeta.
Better than boringly upping the ante every arc with Blue 2, Blue 3 ad infinitum.
I'm not against new transformations, but let Blue do some work before progressing.
I completely agree with the first part. But I am against new transformations, for Goku and Vegeta, at least. They should stop with Super Saiyan Blue while they're ahead.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
LightBing wrote:I predict Rosé to be unique to Black. A combination of whatever is going on there with the Saiyans physiology, assuming that's Goku's body. It's a way of having new transformations and not give them to Goku or Vegeta.
Better than boringly upping the ante every arc with Blue 2, Blue 3 ad infinitum.
I'm not against new transformations, but let Blue do some work before progressing.
I completely agree with the first part. But I am against new transformations, for Goku and Vegeta, at least. They should stop with Super Saiyan Blue while they're ahead.
Transformations are always interesting, if they have a story. A simple next level transformation, I don't want. Give a background to the next transformation, a struggle to get it or an interesting method - which can't be abused -, add a payoff in the arc it's introduced and it's awesome.
Basically a combination of how SSJ1 and SSJ2 were obtained by Goku and Gohan respectively.
