Zeno Sama

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'm still waiting for him to actually get pissed at Goku.

[Zillamon51]

What makes you think Ginyu could? If he could swap with someone incredibly more powerful I've always assumed he would have done it to Frieza.

I've always thought that as well, that Ginyu couldn't take the body of someone vastly more powerful than himself. But he upgraded from a frog to Tagoma pretty easily. I guess he really was just super-loyal to Frieza all that time, never trying to take over his boss's body (and galactic empire.)

[Kanassa]

He's adorable, but I'll always hate him. He destroyed 6 universes because he had a tantrum.

[GodKaio-Ken]

What makes you think Ginyu could? If he could swap with someone incredibly more powerful I've always assumed he would have done it to Frieza.

I've always thought that as well, that Ginyu couldn't take the body of someone vastly more powerful than himself. But he upgraded from a frog to Tagoma pretty easily. I guess he really was just super-loyal to Frieza all that time, never trying to take over his boss's body (and galactic empire.)

That is true, though its kind of odd he never just traded with a normal person and worked back up.

[gofishus]

I'm sure that Zeno is the type of guy that when he gets angry, his entire personality changes and he is not childish at all. If something upsets Zeno, then it's all over. If the friend that Goku for example picks is Buu or Pan and Pan/Buu do something to Zeno that upsets him, then we're all finished. This is much worse than trying to please Beerus. Beerus is satisfied as long as you have good food. For Zeno, you would need to hang out with him and play, probably something really boring too.

Also did anyone notice that Grand Priest was the only person that was laughing when Goku said Zen-chan?

I'm not sure what lesson Akira Toriyama is trying to convey - don't kiss ass? There's a difference between kissing ass and respecting authority. If Zeno-sama wanted others to treat him more like a friend, then he shouldn't be threatening or bossy.

Also, Zeno-sama is not invincible. He may be omnipotent but he's not omniscient or omnipresent which makes him inferior to other Gods from comics like One-Above-All or The Presence. I mean Ginyu could technically switch bodies with Zeno-sama and then what?

Ginyu has the most powerful ability in the universe really, but he never really took advantage of it. Why didn't he try to become Frieza or King Cold?

[Kanassa]

Ginyu has the most powerful ability in the universe really, but he never really took advantage of it. Why didn't he try to become Frieza or King Cold?

Either because..
1) He's actually loyal to Frieza
2) The move is kind f slow, and I doubt Ginyu actually thought he'd be able to keep someone as powerful as Frieza down.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Ginyu has the most powerful ability in the universe really, but he never really took advantage of it. Why didn't he try to become Frieza or King Cold?

Either because..
1) He's actually loyal to Frieza
2) The move is kind f slow, and I doubt Ginyu actually thought he'd be able to keep someone as powerful as Frieza down.

Ginyu: "Change..."

*Freeza vaporizes him*

Freeza: "I lose more henchmen that way..."

[Lupin879]

Zeno is God, so, as Whis said, he Can do what he wants. The One above all isn't onnipotent but only Supreme. Se don`t know much about him. Instead the Presence isn't onnipotent infact he Can not win the Great evil and in Lucifero he said he is not omnipotent. Zeno is One of the most powerful character of ever

I'm sure that Zeno is the type of guy that when he gets angry, his entire personality changes and he is not childish at all. If something upsets Zeno, then it's all over. If the friend that Goku for example picks is Buu or Pan and Pan/Buu do something to Zeno that upsets him, then we're all finished. This is much worse than trying to please Beerus. Beerus is satisfied as long as you have good food. For Zeno, you would need to hang out with him and play, probably something really boring too.

Also did anyone notice that Grand Priest was the only person that was laughing when Goku said Zen-chan?

I'm not sure what lesson Akira Toriyama is trying to convey - don't kiss ass? There's a difference between kissing ass and respecting authority. If Zeno-sama wanted others to treat him more like a friend, then he shouldn't be threatening or bossy.

Also, Zeno-sama is not invincible. He may be omnipotent but he's not omniscient or omnipresent which makes him inferior to other Gods from comics like One-Above-All or The Presence. I mean Ginyu could technically switch bodies with Zeno-sama and then what?

Ginyu has the most powerful ability in the universe really, but he never really took advantage of it. Why didn't he try to become Frieza or King Cold?

His rechniqu is useless as we see with Goku . he takes only the body but does not take l`essenza ki . In fact, with Goku's body, he was not as powerful as Goku minimally .

[Polyphase Avatron]

Zeno is God, so, as Whis said, he Can do what he wants. The One above all isn't onnipotent but only Supreme. Se don`t know much about him. Instead the Presence isn't onnipotent infact he Can not win the Great evil and in Lucifero he said he is not omnipotent. Zeno is One of the most powerful character of ever

No one in fiction is really "omnipotent".

[Faisal Shourov]

Zeno is God, so, as Whis said, he Can do what he wants. The One above all isn't onnipotent but only Supreme. Se don`t know much about him. Instead the Presence isn't onnipotent infact he Can not win the Great evil and in Lucifero he said he is not omnipotent. Zeno is One of the most powerful character of ever

No one in fiction is really "omnipotent".

Tenchi Masaki is. So is Azathoth in his verse

[Lupin879]

he is more than omnipotence paradoxically in the cartoon . In fact, the gods omnipotent wonder if someone can create more than omnipotence
But for Zeno do se have some statement for his omnipotence?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Zeno is God, so, as Whis said, he Can do what he wants. The One above all isn't onnipotent but only Supreme. Se don`t know much about him. Instead the Presence isn't onnipotent infact he Can not win the Great evil and in Lucifero he said he is not omnipotent. Zeno is One of the most powerful character of ever

No one in fiction is really "omnipotent".

Tenchi Masaki is. So is Azathoth in his verse

No they're not. Because it's a logically contradictory idea.

[Faisal Shourov]

No they're not. Because it's a logically contradictory idea.

Contradictory in real life, not in fiction. Fiction isn't restricted by logic, science or contradiction.

[Lupin879]

No one in fiction is really "omnipotent".

Tenchi Masaki is. So is Azathoth in his verse

No they're not. Because it's a logically contradictory idea.

But why not?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Fiction has to be logically consistent because if it isn't, then it doesn't mean anything. If you assume two logically contradictory statements are true, you can thus derive any proposition as being true, regardless of how wrong it is.

[Faisal Shourov]

Fiction has to be logically consistent because if it isn't, then it doesn't mean anything. If you assume two logically contradictory statements are true, you can thus derive any proposition as being true, regardless of how wrong it is.

Consistent with what? Real life? You are defining fictional omnipotents with using real life logic, which doesn't make sense. There are infinite dimensional beings in fiction where real life is no more than 3D. Superman goes FTL violating causality and paradox. Fiction isn't restricted by real life science, fictional omnipotents are beyond concept and logic

[Polyphase Avatron]

Physical impossibilities are one thing, logical impossibilities are quite another. If you accept a logical contradiction, then you can claim anything is true with the same level of validity. It's called the Principle of Explosion.

For example:

- Joe is omnipotent

Therefore:

- Joe can do anything

Therefore:

- Joe can create a rock too heavy for him to lift and then lift it anyway

Meaning that:

- The rock is simultaneously too heavy for Joe to lift and not too heavy for Joe to lift.

Thus we can say that:

- Either the rock is too heavy for Joe to lift, OR Joe is completely powerless (this statement must be true since we have established that the first part is true)

However:

- If the statement "the rock is not too heavy for Joe to lift" (which is also defined as true) is indeed true, then the previous statement ("Either the rock is too heavy for Joe to lift, OR Joe is completely powerless") is false, UNLESS Joe is completely powerless. Therefore, the statement "Joe is omnipotent" proves that "Joe is completely powerless". You could replace the latter with any other statement, such as "Joe doesn't exist", "Joe isn't Joe", or "Broly is a well-written character".