Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by Shuby » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:49 pm

Ajay wrote:
Shuby wrote:I doubt Shida is going to animate much though.
Oh yeah, definitely. He actually tweeted as much. Just said it was a little cut for something Dragon Ball related.

Will probably mark the climax of their fight, at a guess.
I hope it will be the best "little cut" of this arc.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by SuperGohan » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:51 pm

Best episode of Tate for me, amazing

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by nite_jay » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:54 pm

I hope Shida has a short cut, because given how much time Super usually has it would suck for him to do a long cut and have being mediocre.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:55 pm

Yeah... no. He tweeted about his cut like 5 weeks ago. On july 17th if i remember correctly...

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:56 pm

Shida said he was working on Dragon Ball back on July 16th and the episode doesn't air until September 4th, so that means we are well past them having to rush to animated episodes in just 3 weeks! Hopefully him not having to squeeze out stuff in a ridiculously short amount of time will mean he'll show up here and there. Now Toei needs to try their best to get more talented animators on board!
Fingers crossed that this was the big turning point for Super!

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:58 pm

Any kind of cut from Shida for Super more than welcome from me. I don't care if it's a five second or ten second cut.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by nite_jay » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:59 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:Shida said he was working on Dragon Ball back on July 16th and the episode doesn't air until September 4th, so that means we are well past them having to rush to animated episodes in just 3 weeks! Hopefully him not having to squeeze out stuff in a ridiculously short amount of time will mean he'll show up here and there. Now Toei needs to try their best to get more talented animators on board!
Fingers crossed that this was the big turning point for Super!

Well nevermind about what I said then... :silent: I'm ready to be amazed.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by Ajay » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:02 pm

Shida historically provides only one cut full scene for the pedants per episode. Sometimes two at a stretch.

He's a notoriously slow animator, but a very good one. He's usually very well scheduled.

On average, his cuts are about 40 seconds, give or take. With Super, you never know, but it's not like he's a regular.

The last thing he did was One Piece Heart of Gold, and that aired ages ago now. I have faith.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:03 pm

A cut is just a single shot. Shida Naotoshi does more than one 'cut' per episode, his total usually only amounts to a few seconds, though.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:05 pm

Ajay wrote:Shida historically provides only one cut per episode. Sometimes two at a stretch.

He's a notoriously slow animator, but a very good one. He's usually very well scheduled.

On average, his cuts are about 40 seconds, give or take. With Super, you never know, but it's not like he's a regular.

The last thing he did was One Piece Heart of Gold, and that aired ages ago now. I have faith.
The fact that he was already working on the genga 7 weeks before the episode will air has me pretty confident that he'll produce some good stuff, even if it's far less than a minute.
20 seconds of Shida is better than no Shida, especially if he pops his head in every now and then.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by Wezenheim » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:14 pm

Gah I am SO excited for Shida. I hope it's something really nice! Tate did a lot of the fighting in the episode. It almost looked like he solo'd the second half didn't it? I'll have to rewatch. He didn't have any one thing that was spectacular, but there was good stuff sprinkled throughout. I think 38 might still be my favorite of his, but like I said I'll have to watch this again in HD. It was nice to see him and Manabe get the chance to be more polished though. I noticed that the shading looked to be improved.

Next week can't come soon enough. This was a wonderful episode.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:27 pm

Were there any notable animators this episode?

EDIT: So not only did Karasawa provide animation for this episode but Shimanuki was a 2nd Key Animator for the first time in his career? That's crazy.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by Wezenheim » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:39 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:Were there any notable animators this episode?
Probably far too many, actually.
http://animatorscorner.com/animation_pr ... isode-9211
There are a fair amount of regulars who got in on this one. Karasawa (the guy supervising next week's episode unless something changed) did key animation. Takamura Kaoru did key animation. Higashide came back again, although at this point that isn't a surprise. To top it off, Shimanuki apparently did second key animation. The episode turned out pretty well, but these guys need to be elsewhere!

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by MozillaVulpix » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:40 pm

There was definitely a scene by Shida in Precure last week. https://youtu.be/fF2a7nNf2L4?t=42

Although I'm not sure if he did anything else in that episode. Maybe it was only about that 30 seconds or so.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:46 pm

Wezenheim wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Were there any notable animators this episode?
Probably far too many, actually.
http://animatorscorner.com/animation_pr ... isode-9211
There are a fair amount of regulars who got in on this one. Karasawa (the guy supervising next week's episode unless something changed) did key animation. Takamura Kaoru did key animation. Higashide came back again, although at this point that isn't a surprise. To top it off, Shimanuki apparently did second key animation. The episode turned out pretty well, but these guys need to be elsewhere!
Maybe they actually have more free time on their hands now, Karasawa being the third listed animator for this episode doesn't seem like it's negatively effecting next week. Makes me wonder if we'll see Tate pop up next week as well.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #56]

Post by Ajay » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:58 pm

Updated with the image.

That was a really solid episode. Manabe supervised the first half, so while Tate contributed a little, it's Manabe's style that's felt through the first half. This is reflected in the first four images. It's a very angular style, with pointy noses, and complex shading. As someone who prefers a softer touch, I can't say I'm the biggest fan, though I do appreciate the aforementioned shading. It's nice to be able to get a strong gauge on his style without Oka's presence confusing things. Teaming him up with an animator as distinctive as Tate sure made working him out very easy.

The second half featured an overwhelming presence by Tate. I mean, it's astronomical how much he did there, I can't even begin to cover it. Because of this, you have Miyako Tsuji's corrections mixed in on quite a lot of close-ups. This is most plainly seen in one of the ending scenes where everything is Tate-esque besides the eyes and nose. Even Shimanuki joins in at one point, which gave me a huge nostalgia rush considering he corrected Tate's work for years as his superior.

Fortunately, there's still a lot of Tate's personality coming through, so that sure keeps me happy! A lot of it is incredibly expressive, and some of the stills are remarkably polished. Given the huge number of scenes he was involved in, it's not too surprising that his output was limited. That said, we got Black's arrival and some action cuts towards the end that were quite nice, though short. You can see his hugely stylised poses and movement in many of the long shots, which really elevated a few scenes beyond what they'd normally receive. First time seeing Tate's Zamasu!

Should be noted that Karasawa was present on this episode, despite supervising next week. Though the episode was rushed, I do think he was primarily thereto ensure all of Super Saiyan Rosé scenes looked as on-model as possible for the debut. I almost couldn't find a Tate or Manabe-drawn Rosé because of this. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I'd be lying if I wasn't curious. Higashide's presence was quite minimal; just a short action cut in the earlier parts of Part B.

Next week looks interesting. Not only do we have Shida, but there's a vast array of different styles going on, and many of them really appeal to me. I mentioned earlier that I'm a fan of looser styles, so it was great to see this popping up. No idea who that is, but I love the way the detailed ear contrasts with everything else. Really nicely done. Obviously, Kitano's work sticks out, but doesn't look too bad.

Can't wait!
MozillaVulpix wrote:There was definitely a scene by Shida in Precure last week. https://youtu.be/fF2a7nNf2L4?t=42
Although I'm not sure if he did anything else in that episode. Maybe it was only about that 30 seconds or so.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by Wezenheim » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:01 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:Maybe they actually have more free time on their hands now, Karasawa being the third listed animator for this episode doesn't seem like it's negatively effecting next week.
That's possible, it's just a little bizarre. It looks like Karasawa's getting a lot of help next week though, and I wouldn't even be surprised if Yamamuro showed up for that one. Hell, I wouldn't even be totally shocked if Tate popped back up again in 57 at this point! It just isn't a great sign, is all.

EDIT: I did not notice that Ajay had already replied about the PreCure clip. :P Whoops!
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #55]

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:06 pm

Wezenheim wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Maybe they actually have more free time on their hands now, Karasawa being the third listed animator for this episode doesn't seem like it's negatively effecting next week.
That's possible, it's just a little bizarre. It looks like Karasawa's getting a lot of help next week though, and I wouldn't even be surprised if Yamamuro showed up for that one. Hell, I wouldn't even be totally shocked if Tate popped back up again in 57 at this point! It just isn't a great sign, is all.
That fact that we are at the point that an episode can have at least 7 weeks of animation, as opposed to the 3 we had at the time of episode 39 has me not worrying. Most of the stuff in this episode looked pretty polished and the NEP looks great, I think they are just at the point where they can help each other out more, something they hopefully won't have to do for long if the show starts seeing more great talent pop in since the schedule shouldn't be as big of a turn off anymore.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #56]

Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:07 pm

The animation in 55 and 56 was solid and consistent. This one was so amazing.

Does anyone happen to have the shot of Vegeta coughing out blood? And maybe a spliced Black and Zamasu?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #56]

Post by Ajay » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:14 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:The animation in 55 and 56 was solid and consistent. This one was so amazing.

Does anyone happen to have the shot of Vegeta coughing out blood? And maybe a spliced Black and Zamasu?
Sure do!

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