"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Captain Space]

He likes Goku which is why he would probably spare the universes but only under the conditions Xeztin stated because it literally just make sense and it's an easy way to keep and resale all their other media without making it irrelevant. Like you say they like money a why wouldn't they want to keep as much merchandise relevant that that ALREADY have as possible.

I just feel like they don't care THAT much about the specifics of continuity. They'll keep selling the old merchandise and the new, regardless of whether it fits together or not.

[Analytical Delusion]

There's no way Toriyama or anyone at Toei is going to rewind the clock and make everything we've been going through and everything we'll be going through irrelevant.

Beerus and Whis are currently fan favorites and Black is arguably that right now even though his arc isn't done yet so do you really think they're going to get rid of them and potential other fan favorites ?

That wouldn't make any sense from both a storytelling and a financial perspective and why would Toriyama undo years worth of work ? Because of a line Bulma said in the manga ? whenever Super ends I'm 100% sure it'll alter the manga's ending to fit within the current events and if by any small chance it doesn't, the manga's ending the way it currently is still works.

Yep. Strongly agree with the bolded.

Would not be surprised in the slightest of Toriyama decides to officially retcon the epilogue. It seems Buu's reincarnation, whether it's Uub or some new character, could very well still play a part given that Goku has mentioned him in Super. The rest (character designs post-time skip, tournament as a venue, Goku leaving with Uub alone, peace for 10 years/Bulma and Vegeta not seeing Goku for 5 years) could very well be scrapped. Wouldn't have a problem with it either.

[Marlowe89]

Then Super is wrong as it's supposedly canon to the anime with filler and not the manga. That's what was officially stated here anyway.

I'm not sure who told you that, but Super isn't at all in the same continuity as the Z anime. Super adopts the in-universe mechanics of BoG and RoF, which themselves were advertised as a continuation of Toriyama's work.

If we're not counting the manga then you could probably argue that Super is a continuation of DB Kai, since it doesn't contain any filler that contradicts certain things established in Super (such as Hell or Freeza's afterlife, for instance).

[TheMikado]

Then Super is wrong as it's supposedly canon to the anime with filler and not the manga. That's what was officially stated here anyway.

I'm not sure who told you that, but Super isn't at all in the same continuity as the Z anime. Super adopts the in-universe mechanics of BoG and RoF, which themselves were advertised as a continuation of Toriyama's work.

If we're not counting the manga then you could probably argue that Super is a continuation of DB Kai, since it doesn't contain any filler that contradicts certain things established in Super (such as Hell or Freeza's afterlife, for instance).

Maybe one of the Mods can clear this up for me but I'm almost certain that Super is based on the original DBZ anime continuity and means all filler is up for grabs.

[Ajay]

Maybe one of the Mods can clear this up for me but I'm almost certain that Super is based on the original DBZ anime continuity and means all filler is up for grabs.

There hasn't been any indication of what Super follows. No mention of canonicity or any such thing.

I suppose there are arguments to be made based on depictions of hell in Super and Yajirobe being alive, but that's on fans to discuss.

[LightBing]

Maybe one of the Mods can clear this up for me but I'm almost certain that Super is based on the original DBZ anime continuity and means all filler is up for grabs.

Super already contradicts Yajirobe dying at the hands of the androids which is DBZ filler. Yet it has Gregory an anime exclusive character. It's just an amalgam of everything. Consistency is something Super doesn't worry much about.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Maybe one of the Mods can clear this up for me but I'm almost certain that Super is based on the original DBZ anime continuity and means all filler is up for grabs.

Super already contradicts Yajirobe dying at the hands of the androids which is DBZ filler. Yet it has Gregory an anime exclusive character. It's just an amalgam of everything. Consistency is something Super doesn't worry much about.

We are told that Yajirobe survived thanks to the last senzu Karin gave him. There is no contradiction here.

[TheMikado]

Maybe one of the Mods can clear this up for me but I'm almost certain that Super is based on the original DBZ anime continuity and means all filler is up for grabs.

There hasn't been any indication of what Super follows. No mention of canonicity or any such thing.

I suppose there are arguments to be made based on depictions of hell in Super and Yajirobe being alive, but that's on fans to discuss.

Thanks, I don't really subscribe to the canonicity argument like some fans do so I guess there's no point in saying one way or the other.
I believe the inclusion of Gregory led to it being designated canon to the anime due to recognizing filler characters and scenes.

[TheMikado]

Maybe one of the Mods can clear this up for me but I'm almost certain that Super is based on the original DBZ anime continuity and means all filler is up for grabs.

Super already contradicts Yajirobe dying at the hands of the androids which is DBZ filler. Yet it has Gregory an anime exclusive character. It's just an amalgam of everything. Consistency is something Super doesn't worry much about.

We are told that Yajirobe survived thanks to the last senzu Karin gave him. There is no contradiction here.

True Trunks thought he died and we don't see his dead body just that he got blasted.

[LightBing]

That's a decent justification then. Super seems to lean towards the anime continuity. Not that it matters much, picking the show apart in those terms is just asking for a headache.

[Marlowe89]

Maybe one of the Mods can clear this up for me but I'm almost certain that Super is based on the original DBZ anime continuity and means all filler is up for grabs.

Well, occasionally a certain piece of filler content is up for grabs - Gregory is a good example, because he's such an essential part of the anime - but what I'm saying is that any filler in Z which might contradict the scripts provided by Toriyama are pretty much always disregarded in favor of Toriyama's own conception for Super. I'm not really a fan of discussing canonicity myself, but that's just how Toei seems to do it.

If you were to watch/marathon the entire DB series in anime form up to Super, you could most likely avoid running into any inconsistencies by replacing Z with Kai. Similarly, if you were to instead marathon the series up to GT, you could also avoid inconsistencies by not watching Super at all.

[TheMikado]

Maybe one of the Mods can clear this up for me but I'm almost certain that Super is based on the original DBZ anime continuity and means all filler is up for grabs.

Well, occasionally a certain piece of filler content is up for grabs - Gregory is a good example, because he's such an essential part of the anime - but what I'm saying is that any filler in Z which might contradict the scripts provided by Toriyama are pretty much always disregarded in favor of Toriyama's own conception for Super. I'm not really a fan of discussing canonicity myself, but that's just how Toei seems to do it.

If you were to watch/marathon the entire DB series in anime form up to Super, you could most likely avoid running into any inconsistencies by replacing Z with Kai. Similarly, if you were to instead marathon the series up to GT, you could also avoid inconsistencies by not watching Super at all.

That's understandable, but I would wait until Super is actually over and how it ends before deciding what's canon and what's not in the main continuity. Especially with the anime.

[sintzu]

It doesn't make it irrelevant, it's still a story that happened,

As it stands now Goku has literally gotten to he end of all existence by meeting the omniking, there's not too many places you can go with this.

It'll be like Vegeta's death, it happened but thanks to Whis it's completely irrelevant due to it being undone.

Doing something like that would turn it into another GT, it happened but it'll be its own isolated thing that's left behind while the rest of the franchise moves ahead.

The franchise shouldn't go on forever like Pokemon so that's a good thing, we should get an arc set on Planet Salad, another arc after that (maybe something about hit and why he wanted to go to other universes) and finally the 12 universe tournament.

[TheMikado]

I don't see why you couldn't do all that in one more arc.

omniking decides mortals with God Ki and time travel are too dangerous and reverses everything but wants to have his fun first and does the tournament.

If undoing Super makes it less enjoying or relevant for you, then did you really ever enjoy it to begin with or did you only enjoy it because it's "legitimate"? If Toriyama came out tomorrow and said he hates super and everything about it and 90% of it wasn't his idea would you retroactively suddenly hate the series?

[kinisking]

I feel like "canon" only matters when it comes discussing powerlevels and characterization. Sometimes filler has things that completely disregard a persons actual power or character and you can't really be using that as an argument on their strength or their personality.

[sintzu]

If undoing Super makes it less enjoying or relevant for you, then did you really ever enjoy it to begin with or did you only enjoy it because it's "legitimate"?

If Toriyama came out tomorrow and said he hates super and everything about it and 90% of it wasn't his idea would you retroactively suddenly hate the series ?

The reason it'll be less enjoyable would be because of how much I like it.

Beerus, Whis & Black are among my favorite characters so I want them to be just as relevant as someone like Cell and not get thrown out the window like Ssj4 which is another thing I like but disappointed due to it being left behind.

We've been talking about it for years and will continue to talk about it for years so won't it be disappointing if after all the speculation, debates, discussions, ect. it was all for nothing ?

I like Super's version of the RF story a lot more than Toriyama's so of course I'll enjoy what I currently do regardless of what he says about it in the future.

Wouldn't it be great if someone like the Omni King told Goku that he looked similar to someone in another timeline with with red fur ? that would at least make GT's story concepts all part of the main canon.

[TheMikado]

I just don't feel like it would take anything away from the story itself but everyone has to rationalize it on their own I suppose.

[Grimlock]

Guys, do your magic here.

[Sodhi]

Here is the translation by Mr. Herms
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[Neon Z]

Trunks' great one day of training. I guess this might explain why the manga had him on Goku SSJ3+ level from the start.