"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Frieza]

I would not call Zamasu showing up "reinforcement". Black pretty much has Goku outclassed and Vegeta is out of the fight so our heroes were screwed to begin with. Zamasu turning up just made a very bad situation worse!

[Lord Frieza]

Trunks' great one day of training. I guess this might explain why the manga had him on Goku SSJ3+ level from the start.

Well if they threw him back in the time chamber with Vegeta for that day....who knows.

[Sandubadear]

Well that preview didn't actually say anything. Either nothing interesting will happen next episode, or they're keeping everything secret to surprise us.

[Noah]

Okay, I can take Trunks being more stronger that he already is, but I can't take he being stronger than a SSJ3 as a SSJ2, why not give him the damn transformation?

[TheMikado]

Okay, I can take Trunks being more stronger that he already is, but I can take he being stronger than a SSJ3 as a SSJ2, why not give him the damn transformation?

Because it's ugly.
Have you ever seen fan made SSJ3 Future Trunks

[Lord Frieza]

Okay, I can take Trunks being more stronger that he already is, but I can take he being stronger than a SSJ3 as a SSJ2, why not give him the damn transformation?

Because it's ugly.
Have you ever seen fan made SSJ3 Future Trunks

Have you seen the official Heroes one.

[Noah]

Have you seen the official Heroes one:

It's not that bad, I would take it as it fits in the power scale.

[Lord Frieza]

It's not that bad, I would take it.

You miss understand, I'm agreeing with you. Sorry if I was not clear on that point.

[TheMikado]

It's not that bad, I would take it.

You miss understand, I'm agreeing with you. Sorry if I was not clear on that point.

Just watched the video, not nearly as bad as I would have imagined.

[Boo Machine]

I'm all for a SSJ3 Trunks. Might be nice to see someone use the form to win a fight for once.

[Lord Frieza]

Well since we have moved onto colour themed super saiyans its only fair that everyone else should get all the old numerical ones. That way they can be just as useless in new and wonderful ways .

[HeroR]

I don't see why you couldn't do all that in one more arc.

omniking decides mortals with God Ki and time travel are too dangerous and reverses everything but wants to have his fun first and does the tournament.

If undoing Super makes it less enjoying or relevant for you, then did you really ever enjoy it to begin with or did you only enjoy it because it's "legitimate"? If Toriyama came out tomorrow and said he hates super and everything about it and 90% of it wasn't his idea would you retroactively suddenly hate the series?

Again, why would an author negate everything they wrote in the last several years? That makes no sense, even if Toriyama said he didn't like how the story of Super came out, especially since he wrote two movies that Super is based on.

[THEGOKU]

I can see Trunks getting the SSJ3 form for sure it has all the basis for him to get a new transformation. I feel like Mai might appear and not die but something might happen to push him over that edge to do some damage to Zamasu. As for Black...they are screwed I mean I didn't picture him to outclass these guys unless Goku got a SSB2 hidden up his sleeve or something idk. I mean the Kaioken thing might work but it's not going to last long. The story can go anywhere from here it just sucks Vegeta got so easily shoved to the side.

[Anime Kitten]

Okay. This is a stretch of a prediction, but I'm hoping this is what will happen.

Black will quite easily overpower Goku, forcing the latter to use Kaioken. He gains somewhat of an advantage, but Black quickly learns about this. Goku ups his KK to x10, finally overpowering Black. Now, I can't envision the ending just yet, but I'd love the Delayed Onset Ki Disorder to make a return and have permanent (or at least lasting) consequences.

What do you say?

[TheMikado]

I don't see why you couldn't do all that in one more arc.

omniking decides mortals with God Ki and time travel are too dangerous and reverses everything but wants to have his fun first and does the tournament.

If undoing Super makes it less enjoying or relevant for you, then did you really ever enjoy it to begin with or did you only enjoy it because it's "legitimate"? If Toriyama came out tomorrow and said he hates super and everything about it and 90% of it wasn't his idea would you retroactively suddenly hate the series?

Again, why would an author negate everything they wrote in the last several years? That makes no sense, even if Toriyama said he didn't like how the story of Super came out, especially since he wrote two movies that Super is based on.

It's incredibly common for artists/authors to feel that way, here's a few good examples for you. http://listverse.com/2015/02/18/10-arti ... terpieces/

It's not like Toriyama hasn't been known to acknowledge things he does or doesn't like in his own works.

[Grimlock]

If Super Saiyan 2 Trunks is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, I'm pretty sure Super Saiyan 3 Trunks will be enough to take down Zamasu, as it was said Trunks' power has no effect on Zamasu in the preview (although we can hardly say Trunks was using Super Saiyan 2 in that preview...).

[HeroR]

It's incredibly common for artists/authors to feel that way, here's a few good examples for you. http://listverse.com/2015/02/18/10-arti ... terpieces/

It's not like Toriyama hasn't been known to acknowledge things he does or doesn't like in his own works.

But Toriyama also isn't know for retconing large sections of his work like DC, especially since he only came back to Dragon Ball because he didn't like its current direction.

[Analytical Delusion]

If undoing Super makes it less enjoying or relevant for you, then did you really ever enjoy it to begin with or did you only enjoy it because it's "legitimate"? If Toriyama came out tomorrow and said he hates super and everything about it and 90% of it wasn't his idea would you retroactively suddenly hate the series?

Can't speak for anyone else, but for me personally, the source of the material is very important. If something doesn't come from Toriyama, I'm not particularly interested in it, and would tune out/drop the series, or if it is past material, would just forget about it (AT has built up his world, and I'm interested in seeing what his vision specifically is). Definitely wouldn't hold it against anybody, and those who enjoy expanded universe type material should have every right to do so.

Okay, I can take Trunks being more stronger that he already is, but I can't take he being stronger than a SSJ3 as a SSJ2, why not give him the damn transformation?

I kind of like it as is. Right now, both times SSJ3 has been achieved, it's been through supernatural means:

• Goku while in the afterlife
• Gotenks as a fused being, and while training in the ROSAT

Would make perfect sense if it's withheld from Trunks, as it was Vegeta, Gohan. Like Vegeta in particular with his mutation, it looks like Future Trunks has found a way to get to SSJ3 levels without the actual transformation (which is in line with what Toriyama said in one interview I believe, that SSJ2/SSJ3 are just powered up versions of standard SSJ, and not something different entirely).

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Okay. This is a stretch of a prediction, but I'm hoping this is what will happen.

Black will quite easily overpower Goku, forcing the latter to use Kaioken. He gains somewhat of an advantage, but Black quickly learns about this. Goku ups his KK to x10, finally overpowering Black. Now, I can't envision the ending just yet, but I'd love the Delayed Onset Ki Disorder to make a return and have permanent (or at least lasting) consequences.

What do you say?

Kaio-ken Super Saiyan Blue was filler, and the Delayed Onset Ki Disorder was another excuse for Goku to stop using Kaio-ken, along with how risky it is using it with a 1/10th chance working, and the heavy damage it causes to the body after using it. Toei introduced it for a one-time-only show, and then gave Goku multiple reasons to not use it again, which are meant to explain why we'll never see it again.

[Hit!!]

Okay, I can take Trunks being more stronger that he already is, but I can take he being stronger than a SSJ3 as a SSJ2, why not give him the damn transformation?

Because it's ugly.
Have you ever seen fan made SSJ3 Future Trunks

Have you seen the official Heroes one.

That shot is litterally SSJ3 Goku who borrowed F Trunks clothes.