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Kanassa wrote:- FoolsGil, Out of Context, 2017FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Meh, I offer a sarcastic clap. It's a usual fourm tactic.Anime Kitten wrote:Mr. Cipher, you are one clever... Giru, I guess. Nice one with the thread name.
Kanassa wrote:- FoolsGil, Out of Context, 2017FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
To be fair, the joke manga never became the success that shonen manga was. If Dragonball had stayed a joke manga you probably would be hearing about it decades later.Cipher wrote:This thread was intended to be one-third satire, one-third genuine appreciation of the fact that a single author's amazingly well-crafted, light-hearted joke manga can become an international phenomenon lasting more than thirty years, and one-third a reminder, as we all argue about the franchise's greater presentation or the story's internal logic (which, to an extent, is fair), of the kind of good-natured fluff Dragon Ball -- along with all of Toriyama's work -- has always been.
Yes, it'd definitely be reductive to say it doesn't take itself more seriously as it goes on, and even more reductive to ignore that its greater marketing latched onto this for a good while, even in Japan, and continues to do so more or less to this day. There's a particular pleasure, too, in seeing the characters age realistically and the situations grow more dire, and being able to become relatively invested in them beyond the bird's-eye view granted to the reader in a pure comedy series.TheMikado wrote:To be fair, the joke manga never became the success that shonen manga was. If Dragonball had stayed a joke manga you probably would be hearing about it decades later.
In spite of my posts above, that's giving this thread more credit than it's worth, when it was really meant to be a pot shot and a silly Toriyama love-in. There's room for serious critique, and I've been critical of Super myself. Still, everything within reason.TheMikado wrote:The other topic was basically expressing that the series is no longer solid and serious contender in the shonen market. This topic seems to imply that we should be amazed that a joke manga has this type of longevity.
Apologies on messing up the fun, pot shot and love away!Cipher wrote:In spite of my posts above, that's giving this thread more credit than it's worth, when it was really meant to be a pot shot and a silly Toriyama love-in. There's room for serious critique, and I've been critical of Super myself. Still, everything within reason.TheMikado wrote:The other topic was basically expressing that the series is no longer solid and serious contender in the shonen market. This topic seems to imply that we should be amazed that a joke manga has this type of longevity.
To be more fair, all he really did was put his anything-goes spin on a series of existing wuxia and fighting-manga tropes (cue up kunzait_83's massive wuxia topic). As far as I know, his editor had requested or suggested that he do a martial arts manga -- something he'd been flirting with in various forms for a while.MozillaVulpix wrote:I still can't fathom that Akira Toriyama literally created a sub-genre almost by accident.
I don't know who said it; I think it might have been from one of the interviews on this site, but someone said what made DB so unique was that it was an action series written by someone who didn't know how to write action. So he just literally made up his own style on the spot. And it worked.Cipher wrote:I think it's more incredible he managed to come to such a specific visual style for fast-paced, super-human fights -- especially incorporating somewhat realistic martial arts -- considering he had little to no experience doing fighting manga before. (I'm not talking about the general use of blasts, auras, nearly invisible movement, etc., all of which Dragon Ball borrows -- but his specific visual mix of those elements in a manner that led to a recognizably fast-paced Dragon Ball fighting style, to be oft-borrowed and parodied.) And he did this while writing a largely tongue-in-cheek series week to week.
no, it doesn't. it makes you look like a sanctimonious asshole. not sure what the intention of this thread was (although it makes you wonder), but it certainly doesn't make you look any better. shame on you.Zephyr wrote:This feels like the most appropriate possible response to the other thread.
Clayton wrote:no, it doesn't. it makes you look like a sanctimonious asshole. not sure what the intention of this thread was (although it makes you wonder), but it certainly doesn't make you look any better. shame on you.