It's not as much about accuracy as it's not deep not really get why Vegeta hates Goku. Freeza killing his race has NOTHING to do with his hatred for Goku.Dbzfan94 wrote:Meh, I just love that speech, fully accurate or not. Which is why it's my sig lolABED wrote:I don't think Vegeta's speechifying in the dub of the Majin Buu arc is all that great. It's FAR better than the dub had been before and a big step in the right direction but including Freeza as a reason for Vegeta's choice to let Babidi take him over wasn't nearly as deep as dub defenders would like you to believe.
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The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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That's true. Never thought of thatABED wrote:It's not as much about accuracy as it's not deep not really get why Vegeta hates Goku. Freeza killing his race has NOTHING to do with his hatred for Goku.Dbzfan94 wrote:Meh, I just love that speech, fully accurate or not. Which is why it's my sig lolABED wrote:I don't think Vegeta's speechifying in the dub of the Majin Buu arc is all that great. It's FAR better than the dub had been before and a big step in the right direction but including Freeza as a reason for Vegeta's choice to let Babidi take him over wasn't nearly as deep as dub defenders would like you to believe.
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That does it. I'm going to have to spend at least a minute editing my posts before submitting. It should read more like "My issue isn't whether it is or isn't close to the source material as much as it doesn't go to the core of Vegeta's hatred for Goku. Freeza killing the Saiyans isn't relevant to their conflict." To go further, the reason for Vegeta's hatred is he is a classist who believes because of his royal heritage that he should be the best and here is this third class fighter who seems to always be one step ahead of him no matter what he does.It's not as much about accuracy as it's not deep not really get why Vegeta hates Goku. Freeza killing his race has NOTHING to do with his hatred for Goku.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Happiness is climate, not weather.
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I especially never got this line ''Spend most of your life ruled by another! Watch your race dwindle to a handful! AND THEN, tell me what has more meaning then your own strength!'' Uh, Vegeta. You're a Saiyan. Strength was already your most important attribute, your race being killed has no bearing on that.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
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I really don't think Kikuchi is as dated as many make him out to be. To me, it's not dated at all. Or maybe it's because I grew up with the old cartoons on Boomerang like the original Scooby Doo, Tom and Jerry, and Penelope Pitstop. I just don't see the datedness (is that even a word?) in it. I feel like it's mostly because of the poor audio quality that some might think that. Like, I could listen to it in quality like this all day.
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So many attacks on my sig

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Clearly this community doesn't appreciate the hard, tiring work you put in to your signature, and therefore must attack it brutally, all but forcing you to alter it.Dbzfan94 wrote:So many attacks on my sig![]()
Kidding, of course.
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I've been considering changing it, maybe this is a signAnime Kitten wrote:Clearly this community doesn't appreciate the hard, tiring work you put in to your signature, and therefore must attack it brutally, all but forcing you to alter it.Dbzfan94 wrote:So many attacks on my sig![]()
Kidding, of course.
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No, we ned that bolded statement making us thik for a second that you're calling us meaningless!Dbzfan94 wrote:I've been considering changing it, maybe this is a signAnime Kitten wrote:Clearly this community doesn't appreciate the hard, tiring work you put in to your signature, and therefore must attack it brutally, all but forcing you to alter it.Dbzfan94 wrote:So many attacks on my sig![]()
Kidding, of course.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
Kanassa wrote:- FoolsGil, Out of Context, 2017FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
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Most of Kikuchi's stuff is orchestral strings mixed with a backbeat, which tends to have a long shelf life. The only thing that I could imagine someone saying was dated is that computerized drum sound (BEE BEE BOO!) that plays off an on throughout Dragon Ball/Z. But yeah, Kikuchi IS Dragon Ball to me, and his themes tends to be a lot richer and more varied, especially his movie stuff. I also like the unification his music seems to provide to the various series, like Piccolo's old Dragon Ball theme playing in Dead Zone, or Arale's "Wai Wai World" jingle sounding off whenever she makes a cameo.Bansho64 wrote:I really don't think Kikuchi is as dated as many make him out to be. To me, it's not dated at all. Or maybe it's because I grew up with the old cartoons on Boomerang like the original Scooby Doo, Tom and Jerry, and Penelope Pitstop. I just don't see the datedness (is that even a word?) in it. I feel like it's mostly because of the poor audio quality that some might think that. Like, I could listen to it in quality like this all day.
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No! It's an awesome speech. Regardless if it's completely in-character.Dbzfan94 wrote:I've been considering changing it, maybe this is a signAnime Kitten wrote:Clearly this community doesn't appreciate the hard, tiring work you put in to your signature, and therefore must attack it brutally, all but forcing you to alter it.Dbzfan94 wrote:So many attacks on my sig![]()
Kidding, of course.
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Both Shuki Levy and Nathan Johnson have done some better tracks than some of the Faulconer ones.
Dan Dan and We Gotta Power both are better openings than Cha La Head Cha La (original) for me. It mostly depends on my mood though
I like Studio Junio more than Studio Cockpit and probably more than every other studio that did DB animation back then. But Seigasha and Cockpit are a great second and third place.
I don't blame Gohan that much for making the same mistake twice. He was inexperienced and young in both of those battles (Cell and Boo) and needs training.
Black's a great villain but it's too early a call for me to put him on the level of Tao Pai Pai or Freeza (some of my favorites)
Dan Dan and We Gotta Power both are better openings than Cha La Head Cha La (original) for me. It mostly depends on my mood though
I like Studio Junio more than Studio Cockpit and probably more than every other studio that did DB animation back then. But Seigasha and Cockpit are a great second and third place.
I don't blame Gohan that much for making the same mistake twice. He was inexperienced and young in both of those battles (Cell and Boo) and needs training.
Black's a great villain but it's too early a call for me to put him on the level of Tao Pai Pai or Freeza (some of my favorites)
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Bruce Faulconer's Super Saiyan 3 theme is the best piece of music in the entirety of Dragon Ball. I say that as someone who generally prefers Kikuchi and thinks about 39% of Faulconer's score is awful.
The ending of GT is possibly the best moment in the entire series.
I'm okay with Gohan becoming a bad fighter. It's completely in character given he is half human.
The ending of GT is possibly the best moment in the entire series.
I'm okay with Gohan becoming a bad fighter. It's completely in character given he is half human.
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After re-watching the Trunks Arc, i actually find the Pilaf Gang entertaining. They're a bit annoying at the start of the arc, but after that they become quite entertaining.
Episode 52 is the second best episode of the Trunks Arc and one of the best episodes of Super.
Episode 52 is the second best episode of the Trunks Arc and one of the best episodes of Super.
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The Super Saiyan 3 theme wasn't composed by Faulconer, it was just credited to him because it was made by the Faulconers Production team.mr.fredsolo wrote:Bruce Faulconer's Super Saiyan 3 theme is the best piece of music in the entirety of Dragon Ball. I say that as someone who generally prefers Kikuchi and thinks about 39% of Faulconer's score is awful.
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Young? Yes. Inexperienced? I don't think so. He fought against the strongest of the strong and survived! I don't know how much more training he would need. In the Buu arc, Gohan is in his late teens, and that didn't stop Goku from saving the world several times over.I don't blame Gohan that much for making the same mistake twice. He was inexperienced and young in both of those battles (Cell and Boo) and needs training.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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I don't see how Gohan fucked up in the Boo arc. The only mistake he made was lettting Gotenks fuse.
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And failing to catch the potara earing. And failing to keep his power and improve.Doctor. wrote:I don't see how Gohan fucked up in the Boo arc. The only mistake he made was lettting Gotenks fuse.
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To be fair, that last one isn't necessarily his job. He has a life and deserves to love and live it however he wants to. Why should he have to train? He spent most of his life being in life-threatening battles. He deserved his 7 year break.rereboy wrote: And failing to catch the potara earing. And failing to keep his power and improve.
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Failing to catch the potara earing is just plot stupidity. Failing to keep his power is a valid complaint but that was fixed later on.rereboy wrote:And failing to catch the potara earing. And failing to keep his power and improve.Doctor. wrote:I don't see how Gohan fucked up in the Boo arc. The only mistake he made was lettting Gotenks fuse.






