Goku Black/Zamasu best villains in Dragon Ball since _____?

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Goku Black/Zamasu best villains in Dragon Ball since _____?

Post by Lujin_16 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:38 am

I never liked Cell & Boo as villains their motiv was boring and as villains uninteresting...Black Goku/Zamasu are evil but at the same time you can understand them

that humans has changed in a bad way and they want to clean up to make it a beautiful place again..

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Re: Black Goku/Zamasu best villains in Dragonball since Frieza??

Post by Bullza » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:05 am

Yeah I'd say so, I liked Cell and Buu (Cell more so), but Black and Zamasu have the whole mysterious angle playing for them which the series has never made much of.

Usually the villains are straightforward, they're evil from the get go and they just have to stop them. It's straightforward. With Black and Zamasu I've never seen so much speculation and questions asked about them, it makes them different and it makes them interesting.

Black in particular has been great. Since the series made its comeback in 2013 Beerus and Black are the best of the new characters.

They've never really had good characters turn bad I'm this series but here we have a Goku and a Supreme Kai who are evil.

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Post by sintzu » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:45 am

Not only are they the best since him but I think the have the potential to be even better.

The best thing about them (currently) is that they want to do good for the universe but they're using very extreme methods to do it so in a way they're more misguided then they are evil.

With that in mind, will one or both of them recognize that and change sides ? If complete villains like Piccolo and Vegeta can change then I think someone who's good at heart can as well.
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Post by TheMikado » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:58 am

I'd wait until the arcs over to make that call. I personally liked Vegeta, Zarbon, Dr. Gero, Android 15, Dabura, and Majin Vegeta.

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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:22 am

TheMikado wrote:I'd wait until the arcs over to make that call.
Agreed. I think it's borderline irresponsible to make these sorts of calls and assessments so early on. There are still too many unanswered questions and motivations at this point. While I'm certainly enjoying it, there's always the potential for the ball to dropped in a major way. Beyond that, you also really need to give this stuff the benefit of time before making those calls. It's important to, while still of course enjoying what you're enjoying, separate yourself from the hype and be able to view things critically and with a sense of context and time.

Is it good stuff? Sure, I certainly think so! I just don't know enough about who these characters are yet, though, to be able to say if they're the "best" villains since ________. With each episode we learn more, so I urge people to keep waiting it out!
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Post by ChronoTwigger » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:33 pm

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- so yes, this is the best villain so far.
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Post by SaiyanZ » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:39 pm

Nah, I think Cell and Buu are better so far, because of how they ran through the entire cast, not to mention their humor. Zamasu and Black are certainly the villains whose ideologies are a bit more forefront and philosophical, but that doesn't make them better yet. Zamasu comes across as hypocritical to me, what good is him being a god/Kaioshin if all mortals are dead? More needs to be explained before I form an opinion about them being the best.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:42 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I just don't know enough about who these characters are yet, though, to be able to say if they're the "best" villains since ________.
Which is why we modify the question to say "best villains thus far" since X.

Personally, I rank them this way:
4. Zamasu (thus far)
3. Black Goku (thus far)
2. Frieza
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Post by Captain Strawberry » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:44 pm

Although it is subjective to think what villain is better, I would say *best since Cell and you can argue Cell was or is a better villain than Frieza.
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Post by gofishus » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:46 pm

Cell is still the best for me. A being from the future with the combined powers of all of Earth's protectors, and his perfect form was both arrogant yet polite at the same time. A very interesting character. Frieza has been re-used and expanded upon 3 times (first time killed by Goku, second time killed by Trunks, third time golden form by Goku), and his brother Cooler and King Cold... Buu also exists somewhat still as Mr Satans friend... Cell is the only character that only appeared exactly once (barring the times they escaped from Hell)

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:58 pm

Hard to tell yet. I liked Cell and Baby.
I'm kinda afraid how the ending of this arc may be disappointing, so I will wait until there.

But they are great villains. The writing of Zamasu's character has been flawless.
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Post by precita » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:16 pm

One reason I liked Buu is he was just pure evil, and insane killing machine that went through multiple forms. Sure if you include Fat Buu and Super Buu he has various levels of intellect, but overall Buu was just fun.

Sometimes just having a pure evil character who kills without reason or conscience can be just as entertaining as a complex character.

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Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:05 pm

Freeza has always been the best villain story arc to me, but flat out as a villain Cell really rivals Freeza to me. Either way I can say aside from Vegeta/Cell/Freeza so far they are at the top in my book. They may break that top three or they may not. I have more interest in Black than Zamasu as I think it may be one of those weird times when the subordinate (Black, in my eyes anyway) is actually physically more powerful than the master (Zamasu).
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Post by Doctor. » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:05 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:1. Garlic Jr. (anime arc)
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Post by omaro34 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:41 pm

Not yet. We will know once the Arc is over like others have already pointed out. Too early to tell.

Freeza was a great, and complex villain. I think many of you are setting the bar a little high. The Arc is great so far, but that doesn't mean things can't change very quickly.

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Post by batistabus » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:18 pm

What's really interesting about Super to me is that Toriyama is forced to plan his arcs all at once. He's probably not thinking way ahead like Oda, but his writing process is apparently no longer done on a weekly basis. We had Black introduced at the end of episode 47, and 10 episodes later we still don't know much about him.

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Post by ChronoTwigger » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:28 pm

What made Frieza great was an adult Goku and the SuperSayan transformation, something so... important to become a cultural meme. It's not about Frieza.
Cell was interesting for Trunks, Gohan and other cast taking part to battles. Not about Cell.
Majin Buu was not interesting, if not again for the other side actions (fusions, Satan, SSJ3, Gohan). Not about Buu.

Black, and Zamasu to a certain degree, are more interesting than the good cast fighting them. No one here is asking how Goku can defeat them: we're guessing what they will do again XD.
Also, finally you can "pretend" to be a villain. It's not hard to immedesimate into Black, and maybe Zamasu, like once people immedesimate into Vegeta.

I think we can rate them already: they are a very different kind of villains, despite what they actually do (that's really predictable from the start: destroy things).
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Re: Black Goku/Zamasu best villains in Dragonball since Frieza??

Post by Avok » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:30 pm

I tend to be really hash on Super, but Black is pretty good so far. Zamasu... I need to see more about him.

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Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:33 pm

ChronoTwigger wrote:What made Frieza great was an adult Goku and the SuperSayan transformation, something so... important to become a cultural meme. It's not about Frieza.
Cell was interesting for Trunks, Gohan and other cast taking part to battles. Not about Cell.
Majin Buu was not interesting, if not again for the other side actions (fusions, Satan, SSJ3, Gohan). Not about Buu.

Black, and Zamasu to a certain degree, are more interesting than the good cast fighting them. No one here is asking how Goku can defeat them: we're guessing what they will do again XD.
Also, finally you can "pretend" to be a villain. It's not hard to immedesimate into Black, and maybe Zamasu, like once people immedesimate into Vegeta.

I think we can rate them already: they are a very different kind of villains, despite what they actually do (that's really predictable from the start: destroy things).
I found Cell interesting as a villain personally. He didn't have a backstory but he also didn't need one and we knew why. There was an intense burning inside wondering how strong Perfect Cell would be the first time I saw him. He actually had quite a bit of personality IMO.

A lot of people seem to be speculating Fusion in order to defeat Black but we will see. I don't know if I'd like or hate that.
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Post by Pannaliciour » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:43 pm

Freeza saga = best build up, to fight the main villain. (Freeza scared me a little bit)

Cell saga= best fight scenes

Buu= no words

Trunks saga (black)= so far best story and this saga gives me chills. Black is way better than Zamasu imo.

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