The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:28 pm

LightBing wrote:SSJ2 Future Trunks (Manga) vs Super Boo (Piccolo-absorbed)
Aparently, Goku thought it was impressive that Trunks managed to defeat Dabra, despite being much weaker 10 years in the past. And after sparring a bit, he concluded SS2 Trunks was stronger than SS2 Kid Gohan, perhaps a bit stronger than current SS2 Goku. After powering-up further, it doesn't seem like SS3 Goku would last long against Trunks, so he needed a fraction of second in SSG to beat him. I don't think current SS3 Goku would need to do that against any form of Boo. So, Trunks has a good chance to take this.

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Assuming you are comparing anime versions of these characters, I don't see anything that Black did until now to suggest he is a match for Hit's tokitobashi. Goku not only powered up with kaioken, but he was thinking one or two steps ahead to keep up with Hit's movements.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Smilodon » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:43 pm

No rules:

Muten Roshi vs Babidi ?
Kid Gohan Oozaru vs Gurudo ?
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai vs Spopovith ?
Kuririn (from Cell Games) Vs Vegeta (first time in Earth) ?
Yajirobe (Budokai 23) vs Yamcha (Budokai 23) ?
Chibi Trunks SSJ Vs Ginyu Force (all 5 fighters together) ?
Reecom vs Baata ?
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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:44 pm

1) Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks (From the Manga Timeline of Dragon Ball Super) vs. Present Zamasu.

2) Super Saiyan Blue Vegito (if Goku and Vegeta had brought along the Potara Earrings with them to the future of Future Trunks' world) vs. Future Zamasu.

3) What if Future Trunks had attained and used Super Saiyan 4 against Goku Black when the latter had first shown up to attack the Earth?

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Post by Alruneia » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:03 pm

Smilodon wrote:No rules:

Muten Roshi vs Babidi ?
Kid Gohan Oozaru vs Gurudo ?
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai vs Spopovith ?
Kuririn (from Cell Games) Vs Vegeta (first time in Earth) ?
Yajirobe (Budokai 23) vs Yamcha (Budokai 23) ?
Chibi Trunks SSJ Vs Ginyu Force (all 5 fighters together) ?
Reecom vs Baata ?
  • Roshi vs Babidi, Babidi wins because of his magic.
  • Oozaru Gohan is way stronger than Guldo, but Guldo's telekinesis + Za Warudo might make it a pretty close fight. I still say Gohan wins, though.
  • Cyborg Tao uses his Super Dodon Ray and blasts Spopovich. I think it'd work.
  • Cell Games Krillin is way stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta, based on his power on Namek and the training he did to prepare for the androids. He might struggle against Oozaru Vegeta, but with the Destructo Disk under his belt I can't see him losing.
  • I think Yamcha wins, based on his training under Korin and Yajirobe's laziness, but I'm not sure.
  • If the entire Ginyu Force teams up? ...No, it probably wouldn't be enough to stop him. Kid Trunks wins. Unless they pull a Xenoverse combo where Guldo uses his paralysis technique and Ginyu then uses his body change. That's the only way the Ginyus would win.
  • Who the strongest fighter between Recoome, Jeice and Burter is is completely up for grabs, really. If Burter's speed really is as good as he claims, I think he might be able to use that to win, but otherwise it's a very even match.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hero » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:56 pm

Mr. Satan Gauntlet! Well, not a gauntlet since the fighters aren't lined up from weakest to strongest. But who does he beat and who does he lose to?

1. Ronda Rousey
2. Bob Sapp (actually trying)
3. Mike Tyson
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Brock Lesnar
6. Conor McGregor
7. Nate Diaz
8. Cro Cop (the guy who nearly blinded Bob Sapp)
9. George Foreman
10. Floyd Mayweather

My Predictions

1. Mr. Satan can beat her, but he takes it easy because she's a girl and gets judo thrown onto the ground. LOSS


2. Toriyama himself said Mr. Satan would lose to Bob Sapp. LOSS


3. Another Mike Tyson first round knockout. LOSS


4. Ali flies around Mr. Satan like a blutterfly, and punches his head open harder than any bee. LOSS


5. Brock Lesnar takes down Mr. Satan with a double leg takedown, and Satan cries for his son-in-law to help him. LOSS


6. Satan is bigger than Conor, though I give Conor the edge in skill. I give them 50- 50 each. TIE


7. Nate Diaz seems like he takes pride in getting punched in the face. I can see him intimidating Satan and winning 60% of the time. LOSS

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8. Satan suffers permanent memory loss. LOSS

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9. Satan regains his memory, and loses it again from a punch by Foreman. LOSS


10. Satan has the size advantage, and Floyd does not know how to kick, wrestle or perform submissions. I give Satan 65% since he should know to kick and wrestle. WIN

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:31 pm

LightBing wrote:Mr.Satan vs Bear Bandit

SSJ2 Future Trunks (Manga) vs Super Boo (Piccolo-absorbed)

SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goten (Boo Arc, Pre-RoSaT) vs SSJ Gohan (Cell Games)
The big bear wins. Why? 'cause he is a huge bear who can fight with a sword.

I think it is heavily implied that SS2 trunks is above base goku atleast, and that puts him above SS3 gotenks by far, who'd stomp this version of buu if he was serious. However, power doesn't matter when the difference in intelligence is too much. buu absorbs him.

Gohan is a lot stronger. He should win.
Smilodon wrote:No rules:

Muten Roshi vs Babidi ?
Kid Gohan Oozaru vs Gurudo ?
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai vs Spopovith ?
Kuririn (from Cell Games) Vs Vegeta (first time in Earth) ?
Yajirobe (Budokai 23) vs Yamcha (Budokai 23) ?
Chibi Trunks SSJ Vs Ginyu Force (all 5 fighters together) ?
Reecom vs Baata ?
Babidi controls him

Guldo stops time and kills him easily. (I assume you mean BoZ gohan)

BoZ goku would beat spopovich.

Krillin got stronger than vegeta on namek, as shown beating 23,000 ginyu goku, CG krillin overkills.

Yamcha is a few whole leagues above Yajirobe at this point. While Yaji can MAYBE rival the power of old piccolo, Yamcha rivals full power of young piccolo.

Any SS kills Ginyu force.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:24 pm

New fights :

- Avo and Cado vs. Vegeta, Son Gohan, Krillin (vs. first form Freeza) and Freeza (first form).
- Gohan-Boo vs. Son Goku (base, Resurrection F).
- Freeza (true form, Resurrection F) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan (Boo arc).
- Kaioshin vs. SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (post-ROSAT).
- Krillin vs. Tenshinhan and Yamcha (Resurrection F).

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Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:54 pm

Smilodon wrote:No rules:

Muten Roshi vs Babidi ?
Kid Gohan Oozaru vs Gurudo ?
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai vs Spopovith ?
Kuririn (from Cell Games) Vs Vegeta (first time in Earth) ?
Yajirobe (Budokai 23) vs Yamcha (Budokai 23) ?
Chibi Trunks SSJ Vs Ginyu Force (all 5 fighters together) ?
Reecom vs Baata ?
- Something tells me that Muten Roshi's heart would be vulnerable to Babidi's magic.
- Great Ape Gohan is way stronger, but I'd bet that Gurd's time-stop would be more than enough to deal with a big dumb animal.
- I'm fairly certain that non-cyborg Tao Pai Pai could out right murder Yamu or Spopovich without too much trouble.
- Going by official numbers, Kuririn is over 4 times stronger than Vegeta by the start of the Freeza battle and has gotten stronger since. Even with Ozaru, Vegeta ain't winning this one.
- Yajirobe is naturally very tough and strong, but I'd wager that Yamcha's more extensive training and Ki attacks would win the day.
- While I don't like putting the Saiyan kids too high, Trunks is waaaaayyyy stronger than even Freeza. Heck, he and Goten are most likely a lot stronger than No. 18. The Ginyu force doesn't stand a chance.
- Butta's speed gives him a huge advantage over someone who is otherwise his equal.
In Brightest Day wrote:New fights :

- Avo and Cado vs. Vegeta, Son Gohan, Krillin (vs. first form Freeza) and Freeza (first form).
- Gohan-Boo vs. Son Goku (base, Resurrection F).
- Freeza (true form, Resurrection F) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan (Boo arc).
- Kaioshin vs. SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (post-ROSAT).
- Krillin vs. Tenshinhan and Yamcha (Resurrection F).
- Avo and Cado are stronger than them all, but as long as they don't combine, I think the team can scrap out a win... maybe...
- Skipping the Super questions.
- Kaioshin is stronger than Piccolo, and I don't think the kids ever surpass the Namekian warrior, since Evil Boo with Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo absorbed resembled Piccolo more than the kids. Also Piccolo is a lot cooler than the kids.
- Tenshinhan is close enough to Kuririn's strength that he can won with Yamcha as backup. Yamcha dies in the process, though.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Khin » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:07 am

In Brightest Day wrote:New fights :

- Avo and Cado vs. Vegeta, Son Gohan, Krillin (vs. first form Freeza) and Freeza (first form).
- Gohan-Boo vs. Son Goku (base, Resurrection F).
- Freeza (true form, Resurrection F) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan (Boo arc).
- Kaioshin vs. SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (post-ROSAT).
- Krillin vs. Tenshinhan and Yamcha (Resurrection F).
  • The team overwhelms Abo and Cado without much trouble.
  • Assuming you mean the movie version, Goku stomps. His regular form is total powerhouse in the movies.
  • It's been a while since i watched the movie, but Gohan didn't regret losing Ultimate state, so he'll probably still lose to Freeza even with that power-up.
  • The kids individually is about as strong as Kaioshin, so if they team up they could defeat him without much trouble.
  • I don't think the gap between Ten and Kuririn is that big, so the duo definitely gonna take the win here

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Post by apex_pretador » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:01 am

In Brightest Day wrote:New fights :

- Avo and Cado vs. Vegeta, Son Gohan, Krillin (vs. first form Freeza) and Freeza (first form).
- Gohan-Boo vs. Son Goku (base, Resurrection F).
- Freeza (true form, Resurrection F) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan (Boo arc).
- Kaioshin vs. SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (post-ROSAT).
- Krillin vs. Tenshinhan and Yamcha (Resurrection F).
Freeza blows up the damn planet

I put buuhan slightly above base saiyans from oF but slightly below U6 base saiyans. Buuha wins due to power & versatility advantage, but not before "nearly" dying twice.

Freeza carves his face in.

I don't think kaioshin is all that special and not take his "dimensions apart" statement literally due to piccolo's lack to sense god ki. Kaioshin loses. He can beat them one on one but not both at once.

A friendly fight, krillin loses. A death battle, krillin kills them.
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Post by apex_pretador » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:13 am

New fights, vs movie avengers (feats from individual movies and avengers movies all allowed)
  • Captain america with shield vs Kid goku BoDB (before meeting roshi, no nyo-bo)
  • Tao pai pai vs Hulk (no dodonpa)
  • Tao pai pai vs Thor
  • Iron Man vs 21st Tb goku
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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:48 am

apex_pretador wrote:New fights, vs movie avengers (feats from individual movies and avengers movies all allowed)
  • Captain america with shield vs Kid goku BoDB (before meeting roshi, no nyo-bo)
  • Tao pai pai vs Hulk (no dodonpa)
  • Tao pai pai vs Thor
  • Iron Man vs 21st Tb goku
- Cap's strength is near superhuman, and that combined with his superior combat training and weapon lets him beat the small child.
- Without his hyper-charged pencil laser, I don't think Tao has anything to put the Hulk down.
- Tao-Pai-Pai is tough, but he ain't tough enough to take a Mjolnir strike to the face. The thing is made of Neutron Star after all.
- Goku could definitely do some serious damage to the Iron Man suit, especially with the Kamehameha, but I'd say the fighting-style analyzing software that he used against Cap in Civil War will let him get an edge over Goku.
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Post by Smilodon » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:56 am

apex_pretador wrote:New fights, vs movie avengers (feats from individual movies and avengers movies all allowed)
  • Captain america with shield vs Kid goku BoDB (before meeting roshi, no nyo-bo)
  • Tao pai pai vs Hulk (no dodonpa)
  • Tao pai pai vs Thor
  • Iron Man vs 21st Tb goku
Captain america in a normal fight (Goku was at human limit in the begining), but if Goku becomes Oozaru...Goku wins easily;
Hulk with one punch, easily...Even with dodonpa Hulk still wins;
In fight skills Tao pai pai is stronger, but Thor's hammer is strong enough to kill him. It's pretty close because dodonpa can destroy Thor as well...Tao pai pai only wins if he realizes the power of Thor's hammer;
Goku was strong enough to handle with roshi and, just after the budokai he defeated the entire RR army (with robots, androids, etc)...So I bet on Goku.
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Post by Smilodon » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:14 am

Now some fights between animes, until one is dead and no rules:

Majin Vegeta vs Shaka no Virgo (Saint Seiya) ?
21st TB Son Goku vs Konjiki no Yami (to love ru) (as Darkness) ?
21st TB Yamcha vs Ryu (Street Fighter Victory) (before learning haduko) ?
22st TB Tenshinhan vs M. Bison (Street Fighter Victory) ?
M. Satan Vs Chun Li's Father (Street Fighter Victory) ?
Beerus vs Hypnos (Saint Seiya) ?
Whis vs Hades (Saint Seiya) ?
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apex_pretador wrote:New fights, vs movie avengers (feats from individual movies and avengers movies all allowed)
  • Captain america with shield vs Kid goku BoDB (before meeting roshi, no nyo-bo)
  • Tao pai pai vs Hulk (no dodonpa)
  • Tao pai pai vs Thor
  • Iron Man vs 21st Tb goku
Captain America. Much more experience and the shield will help.
Hulk, doesn't he get continuously stronger?
Thor, too much special ability hax.
Iron man, analyzing fighting ability.
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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:42 pm

1) Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Turles (if he had transformed during the point before his death in The Tree of Might).

2) Goku Black (at his debut in the beginning of the Future Trunks Saga) vs. Time Breaker Bardock (from the Dragon Ball Heroes: God Mission special animation in where he took on Super Saiyan 4 Goku).

3) Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (if he survived and gained a Zenkai from being sent through the Sun by the Family Kamehameha) vs. Ultra Super Saiyan Future Trunks (Future Trunks Saga).

4) Super Mira vs. Zamasu.

5) Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga) vs. Super Mecha Goku (from Dragon Ball: Fusions).

6) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received a Super Perfect-style Zenkai before facing the normal state of the real Gohan) vs. Teen Gohan (Cell Games).

7) Super 17 (After absorbing the 10x Kamehameha of Super Saiyan 4 Goku) vs. Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black.

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Post by Hugo Boss » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:00 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks (From the Manga Timeline of Dragon Ball Super) vs. Present Zamasu.

2) Super Saiyan Blue Vegito (if Goku and Vegeta had brought along the Potara Earrings with them to the future of Future Trunks' world) vs. Future Zamasu.

3) What if Future Trunks had attained and used Super Saiyan 4 against Goku Black when the latter had first shown up to attack the Earth?
I think Trunks is superior to any Super Saiyan 2 level fighter, like Present Zamasu.

No clue about Blue Vegetto or Future Zamasu.

SS4 Trunks would probably be a match for Black, but perhaps Black would grow even stronger in the end.

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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:34 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Turles (if he had transformed during the point before his death in The Tree of Might).

2) Goku Black (at his debut in the beginning of the Future Trunks Saga) vs. Time Breaker Bardock (from the Dragon Ball Heroes: God Mission special animation in where he took on Super Saiyan 4 Goku).

3) Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (if he survived and gained a Zenkai from being sent through the Sun by the Family Kamehameha) vs. Ultra Super Saiyan Future Trunks (Future Trunks Saga).

4) Super Mira vs. Zamasu.

5) Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga) vs. Super Mecha Goku (from Dragon Ball: Fusions).

6) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received a Super Perfect-style Zenkai before facing the normal state of the real Gohan) vs. Teen Gohan (Cell Games).

7) Super 17 (After absorbing the 10x Kamehameha of Super Saiyan 4 Goku) vs. Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black.
- By my made-up numbers, Tullece after eating two fruits doesn't even break the 1 million mark. Even with Super Saiyan, Vegeta still comes out on top.
- Video Games + Super? Skip!
- Broli would probably be high SS2/low SS3 tier by that point. Even with the speed loss, Grade 3 Trunks should be more than enough to smash the overrated Hulk ripoff into the ground.
- Skip.
- Uhhhhhhhh...
- Gohan wins.
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apex_pretador wrote:New fights, vs movie avengers (feats from individual movies and avengers movies all allowed)
  • Captain america with shield vs Kid goku BoDB (before meeting roshi, no nyo-bo)
  • Tao pai pai vs Hulk (no dodonpa)
  • Tao pai pai vs Thor
  • Iron Man vs 21st Tb goku
1. Cap loses without his shield. Wins with the shield.

2. Tao threw a pillar across a continent at 5,600 mph. Nothing in the Avengers Movies comes anywhere close to that. Tao murders him.

3. Don't know much about Thor. Can't answer.

4. Goku was stronger and faster than Krillin, who had a whole conversation and did 20 separate moves on Roshi within an eye blink. Goku murders.

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Post by apex_pretador » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:30 am

kinisking wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:New fights, vs movie avengers (feats from individual movies and avengers movies all allowed)
  • Captain america with shield vs Kid goku BoDB (before meeting roshi, no nyo-bo)
  • Tao pai pai vs Hulk (no dodonpa)
  • Tao pai pai vs Thor
  • Iron Man vs 21st Tb goku
Captain America. Much more experience and the shield will help.
Hulk, doesn't he get continuously stronger?
Thor, too much special ability hax.
Iron man, analyzing fighting ability.
In movies, he can get a "rage boost", not get continuously stronger.
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apex_pretador wrote:New fights, vs movie avengers (feats from individual movies and avengers movies all allowed)
  • Captain america with shield vs Kid goku BoDB (before meeting roshi, no nyo-bo)
  • Tao pai pai vs Hulk (no dodonpa)
  • Tao pai pai vs Thor
  • Iron Man vs 21st Tb goku
1. Cap loses without his shield. Wins with the shield.

2. Tao threw a pillar across a continent at 5,600 mph. Nothing in the Avengers Movies comes anywhere close to that. Tao murders him.

3. Don't know much about Thor. Can't answer.

4. Goku was stronger and faster than Krillin, who had a whole conversation and did 20 separate moves on Roshi within an eye blink. Goku murders.
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- Destroyed about 1 km of ice with one charged hammer hit.
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- Destroyed a large landlass (2 km) in air with slight help from iron man with one charged hit
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