"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

How you guys feel about this?

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[FortuneSSJ]

^Nothing really. Because despite of not beat any main villain, Vegeta still won a lot of fights.
He should have got the kill against Golden freeza, I can give you that. But the others?! Not really.

[Grimlock]

^Nothing really. Because despite not beating any main villain, Vegeta still won a lot of fights.

Canonically, he won against Guldo (and it must be said it wasn't his fight), Android 19, and Pui Pui. Is that really a lot of fights?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

How you guys feel about this?

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A collage where whoever made it picked and chose moments Vegeta got "beat up" to make up it like there is some sort of conspiracy? Then I don't really feel anything.

I could quite easily make a similar collage of "win moments" for Vegeta.

[FortuneSSJ]

Canonically, he won against Guldo (and it must be said it wasn't his fight), Android 19, and Pui Pui. Is that really a lot of fights?

He also won against Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon 2º round, Jeice, Ginyu-Goku, Semi-Perfect Cell and both fights against Goku.

If we go in detail he still killed a Saibaman, Nappa, a lot of Namekians, a lot of earthlings, Recoome and Burter. And why are you conveniently ignoring his wins against Frost, Magetta and Cabba?! It's canon to Super.

[Noah]

^Nothing really. Because despite not beating any main villain, Vegeta still won a lot of fights.

Not particulary talking about he beating a main villain or not, just that Vegeta lacks style and improvement in main fights, he's very impulsive and didn't took Whis's advice of being too hot-headed could be prejudicial. His fights with Hit and Black were the worst in Super, I know he must be defeated for the plot meaning, but it could be at least trying something instead of just trying to punching harder and faster.

My point is: when Vegeta fights with minor antagonits, he fights smarts, but when is a main villain he's just lack skills.

[Sodhi]

Vegeta has never lost to goku either. Goku may be stronger but since they first met, until now, goku has never won a fight against vegeta.

[THEGOKU]

Well technically he won because Goku didn't use SSJ3. Either way it is just all brought upon by the way he fights. It shouldn't matter if he gets the kill or not honestly because I mean even Goku only has a kill on who really? Kid Buu and the Red Ribbon? I don't think this is a show where it matters who gets the kill on the main villains.

[Grimlock]

He also won against Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon 2º round, Jeice

Ah yeah, totally forgot about those ones. He really won those fights.

If we go in detail he still killed a Saibaman, Nappa, a lot of Namekians, a lot of earthlings, Recoome and Burter.

Numbers of killed is not the same as winning a fight.

[FortuneSSJ]

I forgot about Appule. Vegeta killed him too. Shame on me!

[Hellspawn28]

The anime industry currently has a lot of issues, and samey sounding voice acting is one of them. Fanservice and moe pandering anime in particular and horrid in this regardy rud.

I have to agree. I would have stop watching newer anime if it was not for several titles out there like Tiger & Bunny, Devil is A Part Timer, Baka and Test, Parasyte and more. I don't watch newer anime because they don't interest me that much. I want more anime similar to Devilman, The Guyver, Ninja Scroll, Wicked City and other classic anime from Yoshiaki Kawajiri or Go Nagai. TTGL and Kill la Kill felt like that they where inspire by Go Nagai's work which is why I like them. Not to mention I don't like the modern day art style of most modern anime. I watch the first episode of Seven Deadly Sins and the art style took me a while to get used too.

He also won against Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon 2º round, Jeice, Ginyu-Goku, Semi-Perfect Cell and both fights against Goku.

If you want to count the older movies, he did help beat Metal Coola and destroy his chip at the end of DBZ Movie 6. He also killed #15 and help Goku beat Janemba with fusion.

[Xeztin]

If Black and Zamasu fuse, I hope it looks something like this!

[Grimlock]

Loved the hair and the facial expression. Finally a fanart that is actually good.

[Alruneia]

How you guys feel about this?

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I won't count Goku vs Vegeta since Vegeta was the villain in that fight and it took a whole elaborate team battle to take him down.
Vegeta vs Zarbon is also unfair since he won in the rematch.
Vegeta didn't win against Beerus, but then again, no one did. Not even God Goku.
Vegeta crying against Frieza is directly connected to the other image of the battle and only serves to fill the grid.

So in the end, the ones in the image that I'd really count as true L's are:

• 1. Vegeta being shanked by Black
  2. Vegeta being tortured by Frieza
  3. Vegeta getting taught a lesson after letting Cell become perfect
  4. Vegeta getting destroyed by Hit
  5. Vegeta getting toyed with by Kid Buu

Yeah, I'm not very upset about it, really. But if we look at what happens after the events, it basically goes

• 2. Goku beats Frieza
  3. Goku greatly surpasses Vegeta and has a way better fight with Cell (before forfeiting)
  4. Goku does way, way better against Hit (before forfeiting)
  5. Goku kills Buu with the Spirit Bomb

So some people are worried that the pattern is gonna hold and it's also gonna be

• 1. Goku either wins against or has a much more even match with Black

That, I would be upset with. Not really because of Vegeta, though. More because of what Black's feats imply about his power and how difficult it should be for Goku to win (basically impossible). But I don't believe the writing is gonna go down that road. We'll see what Episode 57 implies.

[kinisking]

^Nothing really. Because despite not beating any main villain, Vegeta still won a lot of fights.

Canonically, he won against Guldo (and it must be said it wasn't his fight), Android 19, and Pui Pui. Is that really a lot of fights?

Goku vs. Vegeta
Vegeta vs. Kyui
Vegeta vs. Dodoria
Vegeta vs. Zarbon II
Vegeta vs. Gurd
Vegeta vs. Jheeze
, Vegeta vs. Ginyu in Goku’s form
Vegeta vs. No.19
Vegeta vs. Cell I
Vegeta vs. Pui-Pui
Vegeta vs. Knock

Borrowing from a list that Herms made a while back! Not including Magetta, Cabbe, Frost.

[sintzu]

5. Vegeta getting toyed with by Kid Buu[/list]

Vegeta didn't fight Kid Buu to win, it was to hold him off Goku so in a way he did win cause he accomplished what he wanted to do while Buu failed.

[FuriusMarius]

Well in my opinion Vegeta won Majin Boo too cause that battle was Goku-Vegeta-Satan-Mr.Boo vs Majin Boo. If you take out any of the Z fighters from the team they for sure had lost the fight.

[sintzu]

How you guys feel about this?

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He broke every bone in Goku's body afterwards.
He forced Beerus to use 10% of his power afterwards.
He killed Zarbon afterwards.
The Black arc isn't over so we don't know if that's the last thing he'll do.
He beat Freeza years later.
He helped Gohan kill Cell afterwards.
He had defeated 3 of U6's fighters before that.
His goal was to hold Buu off so in a way he won cause he accomplished his goal while Buu failed.


The list is very misleading and was probably made by someone who hates the fact that Vegeta has gotten more screen time and shining moments then the other Z fighters (Minus Goku of course) combined.

[kinisking]

How you guys feel about this?

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He broke every bone in Goku's body afterwards.
He forced Beerus to use 10% of his power afterwards.
He killed Zarbon afterwards.
He beat Freeza years later.
He helped Gohan kill Cell afterwards.
His goal was to hold Buu off so in a way he won cause he accomplished his goal while Buu failed.
The Black arc isn't over so we don't know if that's the last thing he'll do.

Apart from the Hit fight, the rest of the list is very misleading and was probably made by someone who hates the fact that Vegeta has gotten more screen time and shining moments then the other Z fighters (Minus Goku of course) combined.

Agree with everything besides for those. The fact that Vegeta lost even when Beerus was using 10% of his power is a huge L to me.

Gohan only needed help because he saved Vegeta's ass.

Also, you could make a grid like that for everyone in the series. It's a good thing that the good guys take L's. Makes things interesting.

[sintzu]

Agree with everything besides for those. The fact that Vegeta lost even when Beerus was using 10% of his power is a huge L to me.

Gohan only needed help because he saved Vegeta's ass.

He lost but he did more than a Ssj3 Goku and an Ultimate Gohan which before Goku reached Ssjg was a big deal.

That's true but at least he did something and didn't run away like the other Z fighters did.