This franchise has become a joke now

[Zephyr]

The comparison is more apt when you compare the original movie cover art to the redone stuff:
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[MCDaveG]

The comparison is more apt when you compare the original movie cover art to the redone stuff:
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But that Ressurection F poster is on-model and the top quality art that is nowadays. That redone stuff looks like they've hired some junior in Illustrator to trace the original and not even trying...
There are fans doing top notch artwork and slapping this on official merchandise is just ludicrous.

[Zephyr]

I do like the RoF poster, but the artwork still has a lot of what I don't like about the modern art style. That shading makes it too shiny, glossy, and fat. And not fat in the way early DB looked, if that makes any sense.

[Esfír Dedragón]

I think Super should've been released twice a month instead of once a week cause that would've helped avoid some of its production problems.

Super will more than likely be over 100 episodes so I'm very interested in knowing what it'll be like when it reaches that and when it's eventually over.

I'm afraid it wouldn't help if production didn't start much earlier, first 2 seasons of Sailor Moon Crystal aired biweekly (sometimes three) and animation was still wonky, and biweekly schedule made lots of fans burn-out and angry, not only they had to wait 2-3 weeks, only to see this

Just so you know, this is not my quote. You confused sintzu's quote with my original comment on how worthy will Super be to have the name Dragon Ball next to it when it is all over.

[Bansho64]

I wish they were still doing the art today, because the current go-to artist (look at the covers of Fusions and Extreme Butouden) is pretty terrible, with chubby proportions and no sense of action. Kunzait_83's Tumblr is dedicated to art from the 80s and 90s, and features many pieces by this artist. If you're a fan, it's an absolute treasure trove!

That's a shame The guy's art kinda reminds me of Young Jijii. Both very detailed and sharply styled.
Off topic- I literally just read a really old thread about DB's animation and I saw some of those Studio Junio-styled Vegeta drawings you did. Seriously, awesome dude! You should do more of those. We don't have enough people emulating that beautiful art.

[Gold_Jacobson]

I think a lot of people's feelings can be summarized as:

"I'm enjoying the episodes and the series, but I would have preferred if it was done differently/better in a few key areas."

[AnimeMaakuo]

Also, do you happen to know who drew that Vegeta and Goku pic you posted.

Unfortunately, many have searched and nobody has been ably to identify that artist, who did most of the promo art in the late 80s throughout the 90s.

I wish they were still doing the art today, because the current go-to artist (look at the covers of Fusions and Extreme Butouden) is pretty terrible, with chubby proportions and no sense of action. Kunzait_83's Tumblr is dedicated to art from the 80s and 90s, and features many pieces by this artist. If you're a fan, it's an absolute treasure trove!

Thanks for sharing. I agree 100%.

[coola]

I think Super should've been released twice a month instead of once a week cause that would've helped avoid some of its production problems.

Super will more than likely be over 100 episodes so I'm very interested in knowing what it'll be like when it reaches that and when it's eventually over.

I'm afraid it wouldn't help if production didn't start much earlier, first 2 seasons of Sailor Moon Crystal aired biweekly (sometimes three) and animation was still wonky, and biweekly schedule made lots of fans burn-out and angry, not only they had to wait 2-3 weeks, only to see this

Just so you know, this is not my quote. You confused sintzu's quote with my original comment on how worthy will Super be to have the name Dragon Ball next to it when it is all over.

Sorry about that

[buutenks]

i do not believe its a joke. Thank god, DBZ was finished by the time i started watching DB let alone DBZ. Cos I'm sure if i had to watch every episode of the namek saga with all that filler and had to wait for each episode 1 week, oh boy hehe.

Now why i think its no joke? It has Toriyama writing the story. GT did not. The difference is massive.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I don't understand the intention behind these complaints. No one is forcing you to watch or enjoy this content. If it's just because it's Dragon Ball, then you always have the original manga and anime. And if you want new content, then enjoy it instead of complaining. There's nothing wrong with sharing your opinion, but if you aren't enjoying what's coming out now, then simply don't watch it. Otherwise, just enjoy it for what it is and don't take it so seriously.

I really hate when people use the "don't like it; don't watch" deflection to people that have criticism of something they like. Just because there are people with low enough standards that it allows them to easily adapt to anything they get, doesn't mean others who don't can't point to problems that get in the way of their impressions. I think its a reasonable complaint to not like the concept of all the Super Saiyan recolours becoming new forms, even with subjective reasoning aside.

[Anime Kitten]

I really hate when people use the "don't like it; don't watch" deflection to people that have criticism of something they like.

This and the rest of your post make no sense, though. What's wrong with saying that? It can't get much simpler than "Don't like it, don't watch it." Is there really a point in watching something if you don't like it? Isn't it common sense to, say, return a video game if it's awful? How is there a difference with watching Dragon Ball?

[Lunatic Fringe]

I really hate when people use the "don't like it; don't watch" deflection to people that have criticism of something they like.

This and the rest of your post make no sense, though. What's wrong with saying that? It can't get much simpler than "Don't like it, don't watch it." Is there really a point in watching something if you don't like it? Isn't it common sense to, say, return a video game if it's awful? How is there a difference with watching Dragon Ball?

"Don't like it, don't watch it", from the way I've seen it used on the Internet, is frequently used not as general advice for someone who indulges themselves in something that they know they won't bother appreciating but as a substitution for an actual critique of that particular person's critique.

[Anime Kitten]

"Don't like it, don't watch it", from the way I've seen it used on the Internet, is frequently used not as general advice for someone who indulges themselves in something that they know they won't bother appreciating but as a substitution for an actual critique of that particular person's critique.

Huh. That's good to know, I guess. I was using it as the former, advice. But I can't really justify how "recolors" are okay, because I don't have any reasons, and I especially can't with some people who basically never use the term "Good point."

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I really hate when people use the "don't like it; don't watch" deflection to people that have criticism of something they like.

This and the rest of your post make no sense, though. What's wrong with saying that? It can't get much simpler than "Don't like it, don't watch it." Is there really a point in watching something if you don't like it? Isn't it common sense to, say, return a video game if it's awful? How is there a difference with watching Dragon Ball?

It makes enough sense. You would only return something if it's at the point of being unsuable or out of a complete dislike (a gift you never asked for, nor want). People only "don't watch" something if they have no interest in it to begin with. Nobody completely tunes out of something they like, because they instinctively compare the preference they had for a prior direction or incarnation to what they want to see it return to. Hence the discussion of reception with pros and cons, right?

There's no cherry picking in observing that the primary art style has changed. It's plastic, shiny, glossy, and bloated for the most part.
Yamamuro's character designs ain't what they used to be.

Yeah, I know what you mean with the newer art direction and it couldn't have been stressed enough. Most of the time it looks pretty horrible, being proportionately off model too the colors being too bright, to the lack of detail in the bodies and the overly glossy look of everything, However the FnF Trunks Edition was probably the closest they've ever gotten to actually getting the models to look like the older series at its best:
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[Baggie_Saiyan]

The comparison is more apt when you compare the original movie cover art to the redone stuff:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
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But that Ressurection F poster is on-model and the top quality art that is nowadays. That redone stuff looks like they've hired some junior in Illustrator to trace the original and not even trying...
There are fans doing top notch artwork and slapping this on official merchandise is just ludicrous.

Difference is fans have a no time limit they can take their time. Someone working for Toei or other most definitely has a time limit and knowing Toei they probably don't leave the person with sufficient time.

[Bansho64]

Yeah, I was never a fan of the whole "Don't like it, don't watch it" thing myself. I do get how people can irritate someone when what they like constantly hated on by that person but criticism is an important factor in discussion. Peopld should be allowed to offer their thoughts regardless of whether they watch it or not. Just think what if a horrible game like Sonic 06 got perfect reviews because no-one was offering critisms. Good God no

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Yeah, I was never a fan of the whole "Don't like it, don't watch it" thing myself. I do get how people can irritate someone when what they like constantly hated on by that person but criticism is an important factor in discussion. Peopld should be allowed to offer their thoughts regardless of whether they watch it or not. Just think what if a horrible game like Sonic 06 got perfect reviews because no-one was offering critisms. Good God no

Yeah, its the basis of criticisms people have that can be disputed, not whether they should be had or not.

[Anime Kitten]

And once again, I'll leave this thread. Seems that no one understands the basis of my points.

[Nejishiki]

Yeah, I was never a fan of the whole "Don't like it, don't watch it" thing myself. I do get how people can irritate someone when what they like constantly hated on by that person but criticism is an important factor in discussion. Peopld should be allowed to offer their thoughts regardless of whether they watch it or not. Just think what if a horrible game like Sonic 06 got perfect reviews because no-one was offering critisms. Good God no

The position does not state criticism is disallowed. Your example is odd, so I'll let you expand upon it. If that game received perfect reviews from professionals, the consumers would still report the video game as poorly made, if so. Reviewers are a small pool of many individuals and history has proven that their analysis will not set the standard for sales. I think the heart of what is being said is losing its way, so I'll attempt to be clear. If what you experience comes at a detriment to yourself, there's no reason to continue the activity. You're affecting your mental health. No one is trying to sweep legitimate criticism under the rug, I don't think. It's always been welcomed. Rather, he's seeking a healthier way to present these views. Execution and tone is key to one's messages, so it's best to step back and view how you may sound towards others. As for why some preach that principle, consumers vote with their interest. If you don't support something, that's one more reason it may not continue. After all, attention is the blood of continuing entertainment, among other things. When distaste reaches its peak, series are canned and it's a group effort to get there. Supporting it is silently conveying the message that you're still giving it a chance. The same principle applies to video games and how the smaller voice contributes to future success more often than editorials. I do not attempt to speak for Anime Kitten, but I believe what he's trying to state is if something is dissatisfying you, you can alter its success in your own way. It might be heard because you want changes. If it really were that literal (and unexplained), I wouldn't have criticisms of Dragon Ball Super (or the series in general) myself, so don't take that as being told to keep silent as I'm interpreting this message (feel free to correct me, if necessary). Either way, it's all in the approach.

[Anime Kitten]

^ Pretty much that. I greatly encourage criticism, but I don't approve of (or understand) taking it to the level that you can't even like what you're watching (in this case), but still watch it.