"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

The biggest outrage from Super is still about what happened to Piccolo in the tournament.

Uh, no. It's the animation. Unless you mean story but I would say Gohan's treatment or Vegeta not killing Freeza is.

Forget about the animation and stuff like that, I have never complained about that anyway.

How can people be outraged about Vegeta not killing Frieza when that did not happen in the film, that is 1 big plot point that could not be changed.

Many people have liked what has happened to Gohan and Gohan did not have any bullshit done to him either.

With Piccolo in the tournament, I have not seen any comment anywhere that has liked what happened to him but mostly the complete opposite. It is also still discussed and brought up quite a lot in a lot of different ways ( and no it is not just me ).

No one likes what happened to Piccolo, but it wasn't really an outrage.

[sintzu]

Many people have liked what has happened to Gohan.

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No one likes what happened to Piccolo, but it wasn't really an outrage.

Calling it an outrage would be an understatement.

I've never seen as much hate on a topic as I did in EP34's, the piccolo fans made the Gohan and Vegeta fans seem like nothing.

[THEGOKU]

The biggest outrage from Super is still about what happened to Piccolo in the tournament.

Uh, no. It's the animation. Unless you mean story but I would say Gohan's treatment or Vegeta not killing Freeza is.

Forget about the animation and stuff like that, I have never complained about that anyway.

How can people be outraged about Vegeta not killing Frieza when that did not happen in the film, that is 1 big plot point that could not be changed.

Many people have liked what has happened to Gohan and Gohan did not have any bullshit done to him either.

With Piccolo in the tournament, I have not seen any comment anywhere that has liked what happened to him but mostly the complete opposite. It is also still discussed and brought up quite a lot in a lot of different ways ( and no it is not just me ).

The fact that he was used in the tournament was good enough for me because I was expecting it be Gohan. Granted he could have at least done a little more against Frost they used Piccolo when they didn't need to. A lot of characters in the show will have their moments it just all depends on how it is done to make everyone happy which is impossible.

[kinisking]

Many people have liked what has happened to Gohan.

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No one likes what happened to Piccolo, but it wasn't really an outrage.

Calling it an outrage would be an understatement.

I've never seen as much hate on a topic as I did in EP34's, the piccolo fans made the Gohan and Vegeta fans seem like nothing.

I'm going oing to have to re-read that thread.

Edit: Just did. More anger than I remembered, even from myself . Guess all the times G and V have been forced into our faces has desensitized me, even when looking back on something. I don't think it had to do with the fact that it happened to Piccolo, but rather the fact that it happened to anyone thoguh.

[namekiansaiyan]

Many people have liked what has happened to Gohan.

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There are many posts which said that his character and actions in Super are his natural progression due to him always wanting to be a scholar so they liked it.

[sintzu]

I don't think it had to do with the fact that it happened to Piccolo, but rather the fact that it happened to anyone thoguh.

I don't remember anyone making that big of a deal over Gohan getting kicked to the side.

No one lost sleep over Vegeta getting stabbed last week or Bulma seemingly getting killed.

[kinisking]

I don't think it had to do with the fact that it happened to Piccolo, but rather the fact that it happened to anyone thoguh.

I don't remember anyone making that big of a deal over Gohan getting kicked to the side.

No one lost sleep over Vegeta getting stabbed last week or Bulma seemingly getting killed.

Not going to lie, I've made a pretty big deal over Gohan getting kicked to the side I don't regret it though. I honestly hate the direction the character was taken.

There are many posts which said that his character and actions in Super are his natural progression due to him always wanting to be a scholar so they liked it.

Most people have just accepted it. They might be happy to see him as a scholar, but i'm pretty sure at least 65% of the fanbase would rather have him fighting AND studying.

[Noah]

The list is very misleading and was probably made by someone who hates the fact that Vegeta has gotten more screen time and shining moments then the other Z fighters (Minus Goku of course) combined.

Vegeta crying against Frieza is directly connected to the other image of the battle and only serves to fill the grid.

You guys missed my point, I know that this image could lead to a bad interpretation for Vegeta fans, but what I wanted to discuss is that people often says Super is a Goku & Vegeta show, but I'm feeling like Vegeta is not getting a good threatment for a character that isseen as the second protagonist of the show.

Like I said before:

Not particulary talking about he beating a main villain or not, just that Vegeta lacks style and improvement in main fights, he's very impulsive and didn't took Whis's advice of being too hot-headed could be prejudicial. His fights with Hit and Black were the worst in Super, I know he must be defeated for the plot meaning, but it could be at least trying something instead of just trying to punching harder and faster.

When Vegeta fights with minor antagonits, he fights smarts, but when is a main villain he's just lack skills.

See? There's no development for the man! I can deal with the fact we don't have anymore Gohan, the kids and Piccolo as main characters, but if Vegeta is the only 2nd lead of the show, why not use him proper instead of just being a guy strong as the main protagonist but fails, so the same could step in and have a better performance in the battle? I mean what are the achievements of winning matches against a bunch of weaklings? Think about that.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Don't know whether anyone will agree with me, but in the event we get Fusion in the future (near or far), Vegito is the logical choice. Why?
Vegito appeared in the Majin Saga.
Gogeta appeared in Fusion Reborn.
Gogeta appeared in GT.
Gogeta has appeared twice and Vegito once. This is obviously counting official material only (funny thing is, if you don't consider the first 13 movies or GT canon, then we have Vegito as our canon Fusion, and Gogeta as our non-canon one).

Fusion is played out gimmick I do not want to see it return. But yes if it did (unfortunately) happen then Vegetto would be ideal cuz Gogeta sucks Vegetto is way mors badasser and cooler looking.

[Anime Kitten]

All a matter of opinion. I like Vegito more, but that doesn't mean no one likes Gogeta more (see my brother).

[Noah]

Fusion is played out gimmick I do not want to see it return. But yes if it did (unfortunately) happen then Vegetto would be ideal cuz Gogeta sucks Vegetto is way mors badasser and cooler looking.

That's your opinion and I respect that, but I disagree, M12 Gogeta was more efficient than Vegetto in my POV, he wasted no time playing with Janemba, he just finished the conflict. But if you're talking GT Gogeta, then I think he was just a copy of Boo Arc Vegetto personality.

I would get hyped if we got a Super Gogeta Blue vs Fusion Of Zamasu and Black as the final battle of this arc.

[Beyond]

my face after reading the last pages of this thread. Poor Vegeta, Piccolo and Gohan. Gohan's character kinda took a drive off a cliff for no good reason. Piccolo been getting shafted since before I was born, and Vegeta is never getting out of Goku's shadow.

[Anime Kitten]

I would get hyped if we got a Super Gogeta Blue vs Fusion Of Zamasu and Black as the final battle of this arc.

Personally, I'd prefer Blue Gogeta/Vegito VS Black and Zamasu on their own rather than a Fusion. I'd rather they be treated as their own characters rather than how, say, Goten is to most (another half of Gotenks ).

[Beyond]

I don't think it had to do with the fact that it happened to Piccolo, but rather the fact that it happened to anyone thoguh.

I don't remember anyone making that big of a deal over Gohan getting kicked to the side.

No one lost sleep over Vegeta getting stabbed last week or Bulma seemingly getting killed.

They gave us false hope of a relevant Piccolo after him being absolute fodder for like 3 arcs, and then they decided to take it all away in one fell swoop(in a pretty insulting manner on top of that. I mean they made a big deal of Piccolo's smarts just so he could be outsmarted, and on top of that it was handicap match to being with.) Vegeta and Gohan fans don't know what actual salt is. You guys may not have had it the best, but you had way better than us.

my pain is greater than yours

[Baggie_Saiyan]

my face after reading the last pages of this thread. Poor Vegeta, Piccolo and Gohan. Gohan's character kinda took a drive off a cliff for no good reason. Piccolo been getting shafted since before I was born, and Vegeta is never getting out of Goku's shadow.

Vegeta has it lucky if you ask me. SSGSS he fans should feel lucky for that right there. Gohan and Picoyo fair enough but Vegeta doesn't deserve to be lumped with then he has his fair share of wins.

Fusion is played out gimmick I do not want to see it return. But yes if it did (unfortunately) happen then Vegetto would be ideal cuz Gogeta sucks Vegetto is way mors badasser and cooler looking.

That's your opinion and I respect that, but I disagree, M12 Gogeta was more efficient than Vegetto in my POV, he wasted no time playing with Janemba, he just finished the conflict. But if you're talking GT Gogeta, then I think he was just a copy of Boo Arc Vegetto personality.

I would get hyped if we got a Super Gogeta Blue vs Fusion Of Zamasu and Black as the final battle of this arc.

Vegetto was a way a more fun-er character and we got to see his personality. Gogeta was boring though his FUNi theme was pretty kick ass I admit .

[Noah]

I would get hyped if we got a Super Gogeta Blue vs Fusion Of Zamasu and Black as the final battle of this arc.

Personally, I'd prefer Blue Gogeta/Vegito VS Black and Zamasu on their own rather than a Fusion. I'd rather they be treated as their own characters rather than how, say, Goten is to most (another half of Gotenks ).

I think that would overwhelm them, a fusion battle would be better IMO, also Zamasu and Black get a lot a development through this arc, so is not like they're like Goten and Trunks.

Vegetto was a way a more fun-er character and we got to see his personality. Gogeta was boring though his FUNi theme was pretty kick ass I admit .

Well, Gogeta is funny too (GT), that Bluff Kamehameha against Omega Shenron made me laugh a lot, but when he's serious he doesn't hesitate to finish the job (M12) and in Super we could see more of his personality (hope for not another copy of Vegetto's shenanigans)

[Khin]

Like i said in the other thread, i'd be interesting to see what Vegetto with Goku and Vegeta's current outfit will look like, although i'd rather have then in RoF outfits.

Gowasu mentioned the potara fusion in episode 54, and a plot point regarding a way to defuse the Potara was mentioned in episode 32. I'm almost certain that Black/Zamasu fusion will happen, and Vegetto is entirely possible considering we actually had an episode where Goku went to the Kaioshin Realm (Either of the Kaioshins could've gave him a pair of potara but wasn't shown to make it a surprise later on)

That's your opinion and I respect that, but I disagree, M12 Gogeta was more efficient than Vegetto in my POV, he wasted no time playing with Janemba, he just finished the conflict. But if you're talking GT Gogeta, then I think he was just a copy of Boo Arc Vegetto personality.

I would get hyped if we got a Super Gogeta Blue vs Fusion Of Zamasu and Black as the final battle of this arc.

Vegetto toying with Boohan was part of his plan, he wanted to make Boohan desperate enough to absorb him so he can save Gohan and the other inside his body. IMO i like Gogeta, but i think he should just stick as a Toei character. Gogeta appeared twice (Movie 12 and GT), so why not Vegetto too ?

Plus, chances of Gogeta appearing is pretty low so far since...

• 1. Vegeta likely doesn't know how to do the Fusion dance
  2. Do you think Zamasu and Black will just stand there and watch Goku teach Vegeta the fusion dance ? Heck, i don't even think Vegeta would do the silly poses.
  3. Vegeta is injured.

Vegetto on the hand has a fairly high chance of appearing as...

• 1. Similar to the Boo Arc, Goku could convince Vegeta to fuse with him by having him remember about Bulma and Trunks, except this time, its Future Bulma and Future Trunks.
  2. Kibitoshin defusing might be also a way to convince Vegeta since they could just defuse via Dragon Balls after they beat Black/Zamasu.
  3. Goku can probably still fuse even if Vegeta's injured, plus it won't take much time for them to fuse, unlike the metamorian fusion.

[kinisking]

I don't think it had to do with the fact that it happened to Piccolo, but rather the fact that it happened to anyone thoguh.

I don't remember anyone making that big of a deal over Gohan getting kicked to the side.

No one lost sleep over Vegeta getting stabbed last week or Bulma seemingly getting killed.

They gave us false hope of a relevant Piccolo after him being absolute fodder for like 3 arcs, and then they decided to take it all away in one fell swoop(in a pretty insulting manner on top of that. I mean they made a big deal of Piccolo's smarts just so he could be outsmarted, and on top of that it was handicap match to being with.) Vegeta and Gohan fans don't know what actual salt is. You guys may not have had it the best, but you had way better than us.

my pain is greater than yours

That's true. It's rough being a Piccolo fan :/.

[Anime Kitten]

[spoiler]Like i said in the other thread, i'd be interesting to see what Vegetto with Goku and Vegeta's current outfit will look like, although i'd rather have then in RoF outfits.

Gowasu mentioned the potara fusion in episode 54, and a plot point regarding a way to defuse the Potara was mentioned in episode 32. I'm almost certain that Black/Zamasu fusion will happen, and Vegetto is entirely possible considering we actually had an episode where Goku went to the Kaioshin Realm (Either of the Kaioshins could've gave him a pair of potara but wasn't shown to make it a surprise later on)

That's your opinion and I respect that, but I disagree, M12 Gogeta was more efficient than Vegetto in my POV, he wasted no time playing with Janemba, he just finished the conflict. But if you're talking GT Gogeta, then I think he was just a copy of Boo Arc Vegetto personality.

I would get hyped if we got a Super Gogeta Blue vs Fusion Of Zamasu and Black as the final battle of this arc.

Vegetto toying with Boohan was part of his plan, he wanted to make Boohan desperate enough to absorb him so he can save Gohan and the other inside his body. IMO i like Gogeta, but i think he should just stick as a Toei character. Gogeta appeared twice (Movie 12 and GT), so why not Vegetto too ?

Plus, chances of Gogeta appearing is pretty low so far since...

• 1. Vegeta likely doesn't know how to do the Fusion dance
  2. Do you think Zamasu and Black will just stand there and watch Goku teach Vegeta the fusion dance ? Heck, i don't even think Vegeta would do the silly poses.
  3. Vegeta is injured.

Vegetto on the hand has a fairly high chance of appearing as...

• 1. Similar to the Boo Arc, Goku could convince Vegeta to fuse with him by having him remember about Bulma and Trunks, except this time, its Future Bulma and Future Trunks.
  2. Kibitoshin defusing might be also a way to convince Vegeta since they could just defuse via Dragon Balls after they beat Black/Zamasu.
  3. Goku can probably still fuse even if Vegeta's injured, plus it won't take much time for them to fuse, unlike the metamorian fusion.

[/spoiler]

You're hyping me here, Khin. Stop it!

[Sodhi]

Fusion is not a far fetched idea, especially with the kind of situation they're in right now. However what worries me is this about vegeta's relevance.