"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[namekiansaiyan]

Fusion is not a far fetched idea, especially with the kind of situation they're in right now. However what worries me is this about vegeta's relevance.

I think Vegeta could be finished for the rest of the arc.

[omaro34]

Let's talk about Piccolo for a change, what has he done since he was introduced ?

He lost to Goku.
He got destroyed by Raditz.
He couldn't do anything to Nappa and was eventually killed.
He did less to Freeza.
When he did have the upper hand against Gero and Cell they both got away.
He was only equal to #17 after getting a huge power up.
He was nearly killed by Cell.
He ran away when Gohan needed him the most during the Cell games.
He did NOTHING in the Buu arc.
He tried to pick a fight with Whis in the BOG arc which would've ended badly if Vegeta didn't step in.
He was killed by Freeza in RF.
He was kicked out of the ring after getting tricked during the Champa tournament.

Yet Vegeta is the one who doesn't do anything and is always getting the short end of the stick ? really ?

I get Piccolo looks cool so it probably covers up the fact that he's barely any more useful than Ymacha is...yet Vegeta is the one who's always under fire.

I'm probably one of the biggest Piccolo supporters and I never said Vegeta is useless, nor have I heard it from other Piccolo fans, so I'm not sure where you got that from.

We like Piccolo because of his change of heart, his interesting abilities such as regeneration, his smarts, and his courage. Nothing to do really with his battle fight count, (which for a non Saiyan Z fighter to keep up with the Saiyans for as long as he did is impressive). The first Broly movie when Piccolo called out Vegeta for being scared is one of my favorite Piccolo moments (canon or not).

You're making it seem like everyone is out to harp on Vegeta, and you're trying very hard to protect him when his character doesn't need protection. I'm not a big Vegeta fan but I respect others that are.

Vegeta is more in the spotlight in the show which is why people will talk more on his loss to Black. There is a higher expectation for the Prince because of his long goal of surpassing Goku.

[ailema88]

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That fuels the suspicion i had. The Zamas who appeared in the episode 56 would be Future Zamas.

[ZombieVito]

Let's talk about Piccolo for a change, what has he done since he was introduced ?

He lost to Goku.
He got destroyed by Raditz.
He couldn't do anything to Nappa and was eventually killed.
He did less to Freeza.
When he did have the upper hand against Gero and Cell they both got away.
He was only equal to #17 after getting a huge power up.
He was nearly killed by Cell.
He ran away when Gohan needed him the most during the Cell games.
He did NOTHING in the Buu arc.
He tried to pick a fight with Whis in the BOG arc which would've ended badly if Vegeta didn't step in.
He was killed by Freeza in RF.
He was kicked out of the ring after getting tricked during the Champa tournament.

Yet Vegeta is the one who doesn't do anything and is always getting the short end of the stick ? really ?

I get Piccolo looks cool so it probably covers up the fact that he's barely any more useful than Ymacha is...yet Vegeta is the one who's always under fire.

He defeated Kuririn, God and beat up Goku good. Goku barely won. Also what did you actually expected to happen? Goku getting killed?
He fucking killed Raditz... And Goku. Something Vegeta never did.
He was actually the only one besides Goku that did any real damage to him. As minimal as it was.
He did more to Freeza than Vegeta.
Purely by plot reasons.
And? He doesn't have a transformation that grants him a 50 times boost to his power.
As Vegeta.
I'll give you this. Thank god filler for this exists.
Teaching the kids fusion and trying to trap Buu in the RoSaT (Sacrificing himself) is nothing? OK.
This is just nitpicking at it's finest haha.
What did Vegeta do? He had his opponent practically beat but still managed to fuck up and get himself and the entire planet blown up? Excellent performance.
Same as Goku and he had the advantage unlike Piccolo who actually had to work for his win.

I don't even know why that one is on the list, he was going to beat a stronger opponent and that opponent was forced to cheat to win.

[DBS916]

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That fuels the suspicion i had. The Zamas who appeared in the episode 56 would be Future Zamas.

Yes, I thought the same. Because Zamasu gave back the green Potara to Gowasu in episode 55. Yet, in episode 56 he's wearing the green potara again when he's reveled to be allied with Black.

[sintzu]

He defeated Kuririn.
He fucking killed Raditz... And Goku. Something Vegeta never did.
He did more to Freeza than Vegeta.
And? He doesn't have a transformation that grants him a 50 times boost to his power.
As Vegeta.
I'll give you this. Thank god filler for this exists.
Teaching the kids fusion and trying to trap Buu in the RoSaT (Sacrificing himself) is nothing? OK.
This is just nitpicking at it's finest haha.
What did Vegeta do? He had his opponent practically beat but still managed to fuck up and get himself and the entire planet blown up? Excellent performance.
Same as Goku and he had the advantage unlike Piccolo who actually had to work for his win.
He was going to beat a stronger opponent and...

And Vegeta defeated Yajerobi but he did defeat Kami so I'll give you that.
While Goku was holding him still.
Vegeta was literally beating him into the ground while Piccolo was dead.
The power boost he got from Kami was way bigger than 50×.
Vegeta helped kill Cell.
Another filler scene I like more than the manga was him pushing Goku out of the way to take Freeza's attack before he went Ssj, it made him feel more of a good guy who knew what needed to be done even if it cost him his life again.
I guess you're right.
That was the only thing he did.
Purely by plot reasons.
Goku and Vegeta asked him to train with them but he wouldn't so he didn't do much work.
But he didn't, he lost and failed the team and universe 7.

[ArchedThunder]

Fusion is not a far fetched idea, especially with the kind of situation they're in right now. However what worries me is this about vegeta's relevance.

I think Vegeta could be finished for the rest of the arc.

The producer said the arc would contain "A series of desperate situations for Goku and Vegeta." Goku still has Senzu from episode 48, Vegeta will probably be healed soon and take part in future fights in the arc.

[fadeddreams5]

How you guys feel about this?

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I feel like the Zarbon pic should be replaced with Android 18 breaking Vegeta's arm since he managed to kill Zarbon later on.

But yes, Vegeta has gotten his ass royally kicked by every single major villain in the series since he was introduced. It's a tradition at this point. And no, scalps against minions like Android 19, Pui Pui, and Jeice don't count.

[dblack]

I'll be disappointed if Trunks doesn't escape to the past as Vegeta suggested.
Funny all the talk of Gohan because if Trunks does go back to the past and tell everyone Black/Zamasu beat Goku/Vegeta Gohan would surely get involved.
If you're talking about fusions Id like to see Gohanks with some training in the past try his luck, even if they eventually lose and Gogeta/Vegito have to step in.

Gohan and Trunks are two of the most popular so more transformations/fusions for them would make great merchandise.

[ZombieVito]

While Goku was holding him still.
Vegeta was literally beating him into the ground while Piccolo was dead.
The power boost he got from Kami was way bigger than 50×.
Vegeta helped kill Cell.
That was the only thing he did.
But he didn't, he lost and failed the team and universe 7.

Doesn't make the action inferior. A kill is a kill.
So you were listing things chronologically but decided to list something from RoF and then go back to the Cell arc?

Well he needed to fix his fuck up.
Piccolo was more on the strategic side of things in the arc. It was better than nothing I suppose.
He technically got the win at the end but Vegeta needed to make his tantrum.

[sintzu]

So you were listing things chronologically but decided to list something from RoF and then go back to the Cell arc?

Vegeta played a main role in Freeza losing his wish and wiped out most of his top men.

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta played a main role in Freeza losing his wish and wiped out most of his top men.

Well you should have said that instead because if we just take the Freeza fight into consideration then Piccolo did more in that.

[dbs fanboy]

^Nothing really. Because despite not beating any main villain, Vegeta still won a lot of fights.

Not particulary talking about he beating a main villain or not, just that Vegeta lacks style and improvement in main fights, he's very impulsive and didn't took Whis's advice of being too hot-headed could be prejudicial. His fights with Hit and Black were the worst in Super, I know he must be defeated for the plot meaning, but it could be at least trying something instead of just trying to punching harder and faster.

My point is: when Vegeta fights with minor antagonits, he fights smarts, but when is a main villain he's just lack skills.

I think that Vegeta tried something against Hit when he let himself get punched So he could then beat Hit after catching his arm (remember that Vegeta thought that Hit was just faster than him).
I agree with Black thought, when Black insulted him, he got mad and fought without thinking first.

[HeroR]

Fusion is not a far fetched idea, especially with the kind of situation they're in right now. However what worries me is this about vegeta's relevance.

I think Vegeta could be finished for the rest of the arc.

The producer said the arc would contain "A series of desperate situations for Goku and Vegeta." Goku still has Senzu from episode 48, Vegeta will probably be healed soon and take part in future fights in the arc.

Here's the thing, you noticed at the end of the opening with the cut board, Vegeta doesn't have one, but Mai does. The entire Pilaf gang, Present Trunks, and Goten also appear on the cut board. If Vegeta is so important in this arc, why doesn't he have a cut board? And, Goten who barely got any screen time so far, at least on the cut board.

[Kishido]

How long do you suppose to have this discussion?

[sintzu]

Here's the thing, you noticed at the end of the opening with the cut board, Vegeta doesn't have one, but Mai does.

In the BOG poster him and Gohan are running alongside each other but his role far surpasses anything Gohan got so I wouldn't use that as a way to measure his or anyone else' role.

Black and Zamasu are equal in power (Zmasu might be stronger) so if Goku can't take one of them on, how's he going to take on both ?

Zamasu wants to kill Goku so that'll leave Black to Vegeta who can't fight him on his own but with Trunks' help after some training they'll be able to MAYBE take him down.

Another thing is fusion, if those 2 decide to do it for whatever reason then Goku and Vegeta will be forced to do it as well.

I'd understand saying Vegeta was done if there were other strong characters who could help Goku but there isn't so Vegeta will be back up again.

[GodKaio-Ken]

They absolutely would NOT do this but how would every feel if Trunks and Goku (or less likely but possible Vegeta) were forced to somehow fuse? No-one seems to be expecting this at all which would make it great IMO but it's also not something I think they would write in. If anyone fuses it will be Goku/Vegeta - Trunks/Gohan - Zamasu/Black by most logic.

[Grimlock]

Has this scan been translated yet?

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[Baggie_Saiyan]

Has this scan been translated yet?

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Uh oh Beerus and Whis are on that scan...