Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Lord Frieza]

As I see it.

SSR Black is the strongest fighter of this match, while he dose get knocked around once or twice most of the time he's clearly dominating Goku and Trunks in their clashs (really Trunks just got lucky as Black was so focused on Goku).

Zamasu is much stronger this time around and as others have said he seems on par with SSB Goku.

Trunks is the odd man out here doing better then he has any right to. It could be a sighn of skill rather then power but we will have to see.

On the whole though this was Black and Zamasu's fight, infact they can't loose with pain making Black stronger and Zamasu's immortality.

[Chiki]

I'm officially resigning to the "everyone is as strong as the plot requires" mentality because this shit is like trying to break down the Da Vinci code with your eyes closed.

During the ep, Goku even says Trunks is too weak to handle Black and Zamasu, so.. it's obvious that the anime contradicted itself.

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/772224990464790529

This doesn't prove at all that Trunks is god level since, whether or not Trunks is god level, he's too weak to handle Black or Zamasu. It was just bullshit no matter what your view is.

It's fairly obvious to anyone who watches the anime that Trunks only did so well because the plot required him to do so.

[dbzfan7]

I'm officially resigning to the "everyone is as strong as the plot requires" mentality because this shit is like trying to break down the Da Vinci code with your eyes closed.

Haha, pretty much how I'm just gonna go with it.

Welcome to the club guys. I've been there waaaaay earlier than this. We have nice cozy seats and try to give no fucks to Super Logic.

[Bullza]

It seems fine to me. A few episodes ago SSJ2 Trunks was shown to react and keep up with SSJB Vegeta and withstand attacks from him. Now he's just strong enough to be able to better hold his own against a SSJB level opponent.

Wasn't there some mention of him training or something before he went back to the future? I'm sure I read in the General Discussion thread about he'd become stronger.

Obviously he's not as strong as Black or Zamasu, Goku said as much but yeah he's still easily God level though that's a very wide range.

[ZombieVito]

Isn't Zamasu a fighting prodigy? I could totally buy him being on par with Trunks and still managing to hold off a stronger opponent for a while with skill.

Here's an outside of the box idea. What if Zamasu's wish is an immortal body that is always a bit stronger than his opponent. That way he will never lose.

[Bullza]

Goku said to Beerus that Zamasu had a lot of room for improvement and could even become as strong as him one day.

Clearly in the future he improved enough to give SSJB Goku a tough time so I'm sure what Goku said was supposed to be some kind of foreshadowing of that.

[HeroR]

See I told you that Trunks was God level.

Trunks was able to stop Black's attack and send him flying into a building and then he was able to keep up with Zamasu and stop his attack. So can we just accept that the regular Super Saiyan forms are just God level?

Future Zamasu appears to be SSJB level which isn't at all surprising. SSJR Black doesn't seem to be THAT superior to Goku which takes me back to the last episode where he said he'd made Goku's power his own. So is SSJR Black just supposed to be as strong as SSJB Goku?

Also if Trunks was able to hold his own to that extent then SSJB can't be that much stronger than SSJ3.

Some people are gonna say this is a mess and what not but this all fits exactly how it should have in my opinion.

I doubt that was the case, especially since Goku told Trunks he couldn't win. Neither Black and Zamasu weren't fighting at full power and Trunks got surprise attacks in when there were focusing on Goku. We have seen several times stronger people getting knocked down by vastly weaker people because they were taking by surprised. Just look at the Freeza fight or even the battle with the Saiyans.

Also, there is no such thing as 'god level'. The Kais are gods they and ranged from being weaker than Nappa to being as strong as Majin Buu.

[ekrolo2]

I'm officially resigning to the "everyone is as strong as the plot requires" mentality because this shit is like trying to break down the Da Vinci code with your eyes closed.

Haha, pretty much how I'm just gonna go with it.

Welcome to the club guys. I've been there waaaaay earlier than this. We have nice cozy seats and try to give no fucks to Super Logic.

Consider me a part timer for this club. I'll stick with discussing manga stuff cause that's been mostly BS free thus far.

[dbzfan7]

Haha, pretty much how I'm just gonna go with it.

Welcome to the club guys. I've been there waaaaay earlier than this. We have nice cozy seats and try to give no fucks to Super Logic.

Consider me a part timer for this club. I'll stick with discussing manga stuff cause that's been mostly BS free thus far.

It is the far lesser evil from what I've seen indeed.

[Bullza]

I doubt that was the case, especially since Goku told Trunks he couldn't win.

Yeah well of course he couldn't win, doesn't mean he wasn't strong enough to hold his own though and fight back.

Neither Black and Zamasu weren't fighting at full power and Trunks got surprise attacks in when there were focusing on Goku.

If you still don't think Trunks is God level after this episode then you're never going to. There's not really much more that they could possibly do to show that Trunks is just that strong in his regular Super Saiyan forms.

Seriously? Goku, Vegeta, Black and Zamasu all just happened to be holding back against Trunks? Nah if it was one then maybe but four, no way.

Black wasn't taken by surprise in the same way. With Frieza he was suddenly drop kicked from out of nowhere by Piccolo.

Also, there is no such thing as 'god level'.

That's true, it's just used as being anything above SSJG Goku usually. Post God SSJ level, Post God SSJ2 level, Post God SSJ3 level and SSJB level would be more accurate I suppose.

[HeroR]

I doubt that was the case, especially since Goku told Trunks he couldn't win.

Yeah well of course he couldn't win, doesn't mean he wasn't strong enough to hold his own though and fight back.

Neither Black and Zamasu weren't fighting at full power and Trunks got surprise attacks in when there were focusing on Goku.

If you still don't think Trunks is God level after this episode then you're never going to. There's not really much more that they could possibly do to show that Trunks is just that strong in his regular Super Saiyan forms.

Seriously? Goku, Vegeta, Black and Zamasu all just happened to be holding back against Trunks? Nah if it was one then maybe but four, no way.

Black wasn't taken by surprise in the same way. With Frieza he was suddenly drop kicked from out of nowhere by Piccolo.

Also, there is no such thing as 'god level'.

That's true, it's just used as being anything above SSJG Goku usually. Post God SSJ level, Post God SSJ2 level, Post God SSJ3 level and SSJB level would be more accurate I suppose.

Again, there is no such thing as god level. The Kais are gods too and their power ranged from weaker than Nappa to rivaling Buu.

Goku and Vegeta were obviously holding back when they fought Trunks, since Trunks got one-shotted by Super Saiyan 3 Goku, yet took multiple hits from Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta. Black was also holding back since he took down Vegeta effortless at full power and was told to hold back by Zamasu since he wanted to kill Goku. He wouldn't struggled against Trunks. The same with Zamasu who was holding his own against Goku. Trunks only survived because Goku was the main target and Trunks got free hits in. To used RPG term, Goku was the tank that everyone was hitting, while Trunks snuck in and did some attack and they no lasting damaged.

[TheMikado]

I can't.... I just can't...

If anyone ever points a finger at GT for power level in consistency again I'm going lose it! Like 100x over.

[Bullza]

He took Vegeta by surprise with his Ki sword which was he took him down. Why would he hold back against Trunks when he's trying to kill him? He may not be trying to kill Goku but they didn't say anything about Trunks.

Trunks can clearly keep up with that level of speed. He surprised Black when he jumped in to block his Ki sword but that didn't stop him from then having an exchange with him and kicking him into a building. Again SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't even budge the equivalent of Base Vegeta.

He able to put up a fight against Zamasu who was able to put up a fight against SSJB Goku.

So no he's not as strong as SSJG or Black or Zamasu but he's definitely as strong as Goku or Vegeta in their current regular Super Saiyan forms which are stronger than Super Saiyan God.

He's supposed to be a lot stronger now as well compared to when he fought Goku and Vegeta a few episodes back.

[TheMikado]

So no he's not as strong as SSJG or Black or Zamasu but he's definitely as strong as Goku or Vegeta in their current regular Super Saiyan forms which are stronger than Super Saiyan God.

You lost me here

[HeroR]

He took Vegeta by surprise with his Ki sword which was he took him down. Why would he hold back against Trunks when he's trying to kill him? He may not be trying to kill Goku but they didn't say anything about Trunks.

Trunks can clearly keep up with that level of speed. He surprised Black when he jumped in to block his Ki sword but that didn't stop him from then having an exchange with him and kicking him into a building. Again SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't even budge the equivalent of Base Vegeta.

He able to put up a fight against Zamasu who was able to put up a fight against SSJB Goku.

So no he's not as strong as SSJG or Black or Zamasu but he's definitely as strong as Goku or Vegeta in their current regular Super Saiyan forms which are stronger than Super Saiyan God.

He's supposed to be a lot stronger now as well compared to when he fought Goku and Vegeta a few episodes back.

Even before Black took Vegeta down, he took hits from full power Vegeta like it was nothing and didn't even try to fight back. And he obviously holds back, otherwise Trunks would have been dead a long time ago even before he went to the past since Black trashed Super Saiyan 2 Trunks without any effort. Also, Black wasn't even focusing on Trunks during the fight, he was on Goku's butt almost the entire time. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks was only one opponent, so Copy-Vegeta could focused only on him. Unlike Black who was trying to kill Goku and Trunks kept jumping in.

Zamasu let Trunks cut him and go, 'ha, ha, an immortal you stupid mortal'. He didn't give a damn if Trunks hit him or not.

[Vados_chan]

lol Bullza is still trying to convince himself and others that Trunks is somehow magically SSG/SSB level?

[Bullza]

You lost me here

I meant Blue, he's not as strong Super Saiyan Blue.

And he obviously holds back, otherwise Trunks would have been dead a long time ago even before he went to the past since Black trashed Super Saiyan 2 Trunks without any effort.

That was back when Black first showed up which was about a year before the current time. The preview for this episode mentioned that Trunks' strenght had greatly increased aswell seemingly from before when he fought Vegeta.

Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks was only one opponent, so Copy-Vegeta could focused only on him.

He was still just standing there letting Gotenks wail on him with everything he had. Black and Zamasu are hundreds of times more powerful and Trunks is able to put up a respectable fight against them.

- Trunks blocked an attack intended to cause SSJB Goku damage.

- Trunks briefly fought toe to toe with Black keeping up with speed and kicked him into a building.

- Trunks kept up with Zamasu whose fast enough to keep up with SSJB Goku. He stopped Zamasu's strike. He dodged his attacks. He hit him and knocked him back.

- A Kamehameha that was able to severely harm SSJB Goku did not kill Trunks.

There is no way that Gotenks would have been able to pull any of that off if he were in Trunks' place. There's no possible way that the Trunks here who can hold his own against Black and Zamasu is weaker than the Ultimate Gohan who was beaten by a heavily suppressed Beerus in seconds after he slapped him with Buu.

[SansrivaaL]

Ah this is complete utter BS! Trunks literally did better than both Goku and Vegeta combined against Black. Hey I dont even remember Goku landing a clean hit on Black this is just plain sad.

[Alee9977]

Goku, Black and Zamas knew that Trunks was the weakest of the four, when Zamas fights Trunks he seems to understimate him, or tell me, what are you going to do if you are fighting with someone you know is a lot weaker than you? You aren't using your full strenght, are you?
Also, he seems to have wanted to show Trunks and Goku that he was inmortal, that's why he didn't react to the FF or didn't do anything when Trunks stabbed him.
The mos ilogical part would be when Trunks kicks Black and sends him to fly, although it could be because he wasn't expecting Trunks so his guard was down, or he just wasn't using his full power, because after that we can see that Black powers up.

Black is the strongest, he is far away from SSJB, Zamas seems to be at SSJB tier or maybe a little more powerful, after that comes Goku and Vegeta and finally Trunks.

[ZombieVito]

Wait. Is Trunks suppose to be stronger now? When was this stated?