Is Black really trying to kill all humans?

[fadeddreams5]

Black has already killed all the mortals in various planets before. The reason he's delayed his genocide of Earth is very likely because he's been trying to lure Goku there with the inadvertent aid of Trunks. I mean, why else would he have promised Zamasu to let him kill Goku if he didn't know that Goku would arrive there one day?

[buutenks]

nice try a regular smoke grenade shoudn't even affect his senses it was stabilised since early dragonball.

I dont see the problem with them being affected by those gas grenades. Did they die? Were they knocked out? Were they hurt? Why does it matter?

[DragonBallFoodie]

It's a mistranslation issue, Black is trying to kill all mortals.

[Nejishiki]

It's a mistranslation issue, Black is trying to kill all mortals.

This isn't particularly a translation error. "Human" is the correct translation. However, Dragon World uses human to refer to anyone who isn't a god. For convenience and clarification, most of us are using "mortal" to distinguish the bodies. It's a case of terminology being applied differently from its native usage.

[Darkprince410]

It's a mistranslation issue, Black is trying to kill all mortals.

The term being used, ningen, best translates to humans, but in regards to Dragon Ball, that's never been used solely to describe life on Earth. Ginyu's referred to himself as human before, and Vegeta's referred to the non-Oozaru form of Saiya-jin as human as well. As far as Super is concerned, especially in the case of Zamasu, it's used to describe non-gods. Mortal isn't an accurate term given that the Kaioushin aren't immortal in any sense (they can be killed and can die of old age), and ningen doesn't translate to that at all.

[Lord Frieza]

It's a mistranslation issue, Black is trying to kill all mortals.

The term being used, ningen, best translates to humans, but in regards to Dragon Ball, that's never been used solely to describe life on Earth. Ginyu's referred to himself as human before, and Vegeta's referred to the non-Oozaru form of Saiya-jin as human as well. As far as Super is concerned, especially in the case of Zamasu, it's used to describe non-gods. Mortal isn't an accurate term given that the Kaioushin aren't immortal in any sense (they can be killed and can die of old age), and ningen doesn't translate to that at all.

so basically its a umbrella name for all the mortal, sentient inhabitants of the dragon ball universe/multiverse.

[Friezacooler]

nice try a regular smoke grenade shoudn't even affect his senses it was stabilised since early dragonball.

I dont see the problem with them being affected by those gas grenades. Did they die? Were they knocked out? Were they hurt? Why does it matter?

It does matter cause this ain't Sponge Bob but DBZ.

[Lord Frieza]

nice try a regular smoke grenade shoudn't even affect his senses it was stabilised since early dragonball.

I dont see the problem with them being affected by those gas grenades. Did they die? Were they knocked out? Were they hurt? Why does it matter?

It does matter cause this ain't Sponge Bob but DBZ.

No its Dragon Ball and there are parts of dragon ball that do play out like a morning cartoon show. Aside from the beating he got from Vegeta, Yajirobe's antics in the series have always been overly comical.

Also has it EVER been stated or show that kaioshin cannot be affected by chemicals such as tear gas? This is not a bullet or a punch, it is classed as a chemical weapon by law despite not being leathel. It causes severe eye, respiratory and skin irritation, pain, vomiting, and even blindness.

You cannot fight something like that and we have never seen such a weapon used on any of the alien or godly species of this universe so we have no president to judge it by. So I cannot see any evidence to support you notion that it cannot affect beings such as Black and Zamasu.

[buutenks]

Goku was affected by an earthly heart virus. Since black has Goku;s body, means he can be affected also. I really see no reason why this is an issue. I mean Goku can be killed by just drowning him, doesnt matter if his PL would be 10000000x 1 trillion.

I would understand if characters would have been hit by similar things back in DB and not been affected, but all kid Goku was hit with were rpgs and bullets. No one threw gas grenades or such at him. Also, kid Goku was affected by the stink of Bacterian(or w/e his name was), so his senses are pretty human. And most likely so are Zamasus.

[Cipher]

Black has already killed all the mortals in various planets before. The reason he's delayed his genocide of Earth is very likely because he's been trying to lure Goku there with the inadvertent aid of Trunks. I mean, why else would he have promised Zamasu to let him kill Goku if he didn't know that Goku would arrive there one day?

I thought of that too, but then I remembered we see him speak to himself about being unaware of the time machine, so ... ?

Of course, it could be revealed as a minor inconsistency when all's said and done.

But yeah, right now the lines about "promising" to let Zamasu kill Goku, and his unawareness of the time machine as well as thinking he'd trapped Trunks in the past by destroying it, aren't lining up for me.

[Kanassa]

Black has already killed all the mortals in various planets before. The reason he's delayed his genocide of Earth is very likely because he's been trying to lure Goku there with the inadvertent aid of Trunks. I mean, why else would he have promised Zamasu to let him kill Goku if he didn't know that Goku would arrive there one day?

I thought of that too, but then I remembered we see him speak to himself about being unaware of the time machine, so ... ?

Of course, it could be revealed as a minor inconsistency when all's said and done.

But yeah, right now the lines about "promising" to let Zamasu kill Goku, and his unawareness of the time machine as well as thinking he'd trapped Trunks in the past by destroying it, aren't lining up for me.

Hmmm, maybe Black and F!Zamasu only became allies during the time Trunks was back in the main timeline training.

[Cipher]

Hmmm, maybe Black and F!Zamasu only became allies during the time Trunks was back in the main timeline training.

But Black thought he'd trapped Trunks in the past by destroying his time machine. Neither had a reason to suspect he'd return with Goku in tow.

Like I said, maybe it'll just end up being an error, but right now those lines aren't jiving.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Hmmm, maybe Black and F!Zamasu only became allies during the time Trunks was back in the main timeline training.

But Black thought he'd trapped Trunks in the past by destroying his time machine. Neither had a reason to suspect he'd return with Goku in tow.

Like I said, maybe it'll just end up being an error, but right now those lines aren't jiving.

I say we wait to discuss it too seriously until the manga chapters come out. If the error isn't in the comics, we know it's probably just a Toei Blooper.

[nickzambuto]

Black doesn't want to kill all humans, he only killed Red so he could take over the RRA and rule the world. Duh

[DragonBallLove]

Black doesn't want to kill all humans, he only killed Red so he could take over the RRA and rule the world. Duh

You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

[Darkprince410]

It's a mistranslation issue, Black is trying to kill all mortals.

The term being used, ningen, best translates to humans, but in regards to Dragon Ball, that's never been used solely to describe life on Earth. Ginyu's referred to himself as human before, and Vegeta's referred to the non-Oozaru form of Saiya-jin as human as well. As far as Super is concerned, especially in the case of Zamasu, it's used to describe non-gods. Mortal isn't an accurate term given that the Kaioushin aren't immortal in any sense (they can be killed and can die of old age), and ningen doesn't translate to that at all.

so basically its a umbrella name for all the mortal, sentient inhabitants of the dragon ball universe/multiverse.

Saying "mortal" isn't accurate. Just consider it non-god rather than "mortal" as even the gods aren't immortal.

[Lord Frieza]

The term being used, ningen, best translates to humans, but in regards to Dragon Ball, that's never been used solely to describe life on Earth. Ginyu's referred to himself as human before, and Vegeta's referred to the non-Oozaru form of Saiya-jin as human as well. As far as Super is concerned, especially in the case of Zamasu, it's used to describe non-gods. Mortal isn't an accurate term given that the Kaioushin aren't immortal in any sense (they can be killed and can die of old age), and ningen doesn't translate to that at all.

so basically its a umbrella name for all the mortal, sentient inhabitants of the dragon ball universe/multiverse.

Saying "mortal" isn't accurate. Just consider it non-god rather than "mortal" as even the gods aren't immortal.

Hmmm your right.....what should we be called then? Humans is a bit anthropomorphic.

[Kamiccolo9]

Hmmm your right.....what should we be called then? Humans is a bit anthropomorphic.

"People."

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Hmmm your right.....what should we be called then? Humans is a bit anthropomorphic.

"People."

"People" doesn't work, it could apply to gods almost just as well as non-gods.

The unfortunate fact is, there is no succinct translation. No single word exists in English that can properly convey what "ningen" means in this context. So there's no use trying to agree on the perfect term.

[Lord Frieza]

Hmmm your right.....what should we be called then? Humans is a bit anthropomorphic.

"People."

"People" doesn't work, it could apply to gods almost just as well as non-gods.

The unfortunate fact is, there is no succinct translation. No single word exists in English that can properly convey what "ningen" means in this context. So there's no use trying to agree on the perfect term.

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