Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ZombieVito]

For the anime:

If Vegeta [Champa arc] is a 100. Where do this characters fit in?

Final Form Freeza:
Gotenks [Super Saiyan 3]:
First Form Freeza:
Mister Buu:
Gohan [Super Saiyan, RoF arc]:

[Draconic]

For the anime:

If Vegeta [Champa arc] is a 100. Where do this characters fit in?

Final Form Freeza:
Gotenks [Super Saiyan 3]:
First Form Freeza:
Mister Buu:
Gohan [Super Saiyan, RoF arc]:

If 100 is in base:

Final Form Frieza - 90
Gotenks - 30
First Form Frieza - 50
Mister Buu - 10
SSJ Gohan - 45

[DBZ Macky]

My advice is to ignore any "official" numbers that don't come directly from Mr.Toriyama. It's better to came up with numbers on your own, therefore trying to make sense of the author's logic. Than trying to make sense of a random person logic, of their interpretation of the author logic.

Generally speaking, I prefer to include as many official numbers as I can as long as there's nothing blatantly contradicting the manga. If I can make them work, I will. You just have to be creative about it, which is the original purpose of this thread.

This obviously excludes things like those movie pamphlets that stick Commander Red at 100 for reasons I shouldn't have to explain.

You asked if you should scrap the official numbers or not, I offered my input. With enough creativity we can make anything work, even the pamphlets numbers which you disregard, even thou they are in the same category of "blatantly contradictory" as you putted it.

At least you're offering a reason for these numbers, which is more than any of these official numbers do. I disagree with your theory, if you can remember any statement from the manga which points towards this limited ki use, let me know and I'll ruminate on it. It's far too important to have never been mentioned, which is why I think it isn't sound.
Besides the head-scratcher that is Goku going only from 910 to 924 in three years, when Piccolo was still an active threat.

My explanation:
910 is EoDB Goku's Kamehameha
924 is BoZ Goku CHARGING his laser
~950 is BoZ Goku's Kamehameha

Make sense?

Okay, so I've been revising my power levels and I really wanted to include power levels for the entire manga. Problem is, the officially given numbers for the bits before the Saiyan arc don't really match up with certain power statements for that period. An infamous example being this.

Chapter: 143, P12.3
Context: Piccolo continues to outclass Goku
Piccolo: “Hohhohhoh…You have no chance of winning, no matter how you struggle, and you can’t run away either. It seems all that’s left for you is the road to death. I’m still not even putting out half of my power. Too bad for you…so then, what will you do?”

However, the officially given numbers peg pre-Super God Water Goku as being 180 and Young King Piccolo being 260, which is blatantly contradictory. So do I shrug my shoulders and use the official numbers anyway or do I scrap them and pick some that match up with the manga quotes and implications? However, I think I found a solution that works with both the manga and the official numbers and it comes from here.

In the early portions of Dragon Ball, the characters’ training focused mostly on increasing their physical strength and stamina, but from the time of Goku’s training under God and onwards, much more focus began to be placed on cultivating ki. [ ] While at the start of the series ki-based attacks were considered very advanced and rarely seen (Kame-Sen’nin says it took him 50 years to invent the Kamehameha), as the characters’ ki power increased, they became able to perform ki-based attacks with greater and greater ease, to the point where the generic ki blast became a standard attack.

Simply put, during the early portions of the series, characters weren't able to draw forth the full measure of their Ki, or at least, to the extent that they can during the later portions of the series. Ki control is horribly rare an is usually used in special techniques, like the Kamehameha, Dodonpa, Bukujutsu, etc. However, at some point (most likely after the charatcers get trained by God and Mr. Popo), characters learn to use their Ki much more freely, to enhance their strength, speed, and durability in the heat of battle. Ki blasts are thrown around like confetti.

But that hasn't happened yet. My idea is that, at this point in the narrative, Goku and friends can only draw forth their full power whilst using their special techniques. So while, Goku's maximum power may be 180, the power that he's capable of using in normal combat is decidedly lower. Let's say, his resting power his half that at 90. On the other hand, King Piccolo (who likely remembers the training that the Son of Katatz received from the previous God) can utilize his Ki to the fullest. This is somewhat supported by how in the same V-Jump scan that provides the 180 and 260 numbers, also pegs 18-year-old Goku as being 910, which is a lot larger than the 416 number had had during his fight with Raditz, but slightly less than the 924 number that he had whilst using the Kamehameha. Anyway, those are my thoughts, anyone else have something to say on the subject?

I might not be remembering right but wasn't Goku already quite battle worn at that time (Didn't he just fight Tambourine)? Goku could simply be around half his power i.e. ~90 and King Piccolo could be ~110.

[LightBing]

My explanation:
910 is EoDB Goku's Kamehameha
924 is BoZ Goku CHARGING his laser
~950 is BoZ Goku's Kamehameha

Make sense?

I strongly disagree. With this you're creating a precedent which makes scouter readings unreliable, which they aren't. Whenever a character is holding back, it is acknowledged, whenever a character is charging an attack or powering up, the change is acknowledged. Remember the famous "it's over 9000" meme?
In this very fight:

Chapter: 201 (DBZ 7), P7.2, P13.3
Context: said as Piccolo charges up the Makankosappo.
Raditz: “Th-this one's battle power is 1,020...30...!!! Un-unbelievable!!!! It's still rising!!!!
Raditz: “Battle power 1,330...!!!! He's gathered a-all of his battle power into his fingertips...!!!!”

Goku 924 Kamehameha reading is a fact. Raditz said Goku was raising his power and then gave the figure. Like he did with Piccolo.

Chapter: 201 (DBZ 7), P6.2-3
Context: said as Goku charges up the Kamehameha.
Raditz: “Impossible!!! His battle power is rising!!! Battle power 924...!!!”
Raditz: “He…He can raise his battle power by concentrating it into a single point!!!”

It's straight forward and unambiguous.

[Kaboom]

Okay, so I've been revising my power levels and I really wanted to include power levels for the entire manga. Problem is, the officially given numbers for the bits before the Saiyan arc don't really match up with certain power statements for that period. An infamous example being this...
<Snip>
...Anyway, those are my thoughts, anyone else have something to say on the subject?

I also prefer to find creative ways to use "odd" official numbers rather than just discarding them outright, and if I were to focus on the pre-Raditz numbers (I typically don't), I'd probably do something along the same lines as what you've described. Consider that as the series progresses and usage of ki become a more central focus, that characters begin expanding what they can do with it, and as such the power levels end up fluctuating quite a lot.

Either their normal powers are low, but they can greatly increase them through attacks (big things like the Kamehameha) or by forcibly focusing it (like King Piccolo using "full power," or Muten Roshi going 'Max Power,' which along with things like the SS Grades can be seen as power-ups beyond one's normal level), or the opposite where they normally fight at a lower level and the numbers represent their full power like you said. Based on things like the 910 for teenage Goku (which I'd attribute to his Super Kamehameha) compared to his Kamehameha's 924 against Raditz, I'd say the former option is a little more likely.



So for the Goku vs Piccolo fights, maybe it could work something like this...

Round 1:
Goku — 180
-- Attacking: 240
- Worn-Out: 120
-- Kamehameha: 200

King Piccolo (Old) — 220
-- Attacking — 280
-- "Full Power" (Pumped Up) — 600

[Goku does well against King Piccolo at first, but the tables get turned once KP starts fighting seriously. Then when he starts using powered-up ki attacks, Goku is completely helpless, especially from already being beat up, and his Kamehameha does nothing.]

Round 2:
Goku — 260
-- Attacking: 500
-- Final Focused Punch: 750

King Piccolo (Young) —260
-- Attacking: 500
-- "Full Power" (Pumped Up) — 700

[Now they're starting out on equal footing, and Goku's tougher and stronger Saiyan physiology [if we're applying numbers retroactively then we can apply yet-unrevealed racial advantages too] lets him keep the edge in their hand-to-hand fight. Piccolo's still got the edge with using Ki attacks though, and they let him regain control of the fight until Goku's final, all-or-nothing finishing blow]

[ZombieVito]

For the anime:

If Vegeta [Champa arc] is a 100. Where do this characters fit in?

Final Form Freeza:
Gotenks [Super Saiyan 3]:
First Form Freeza:
Mister Buu:
Gohan [Super Saiyan, RoF arc]:

If 100 is in base:

Final Form Frieza - 90
Gotenks - 30
First Form Frieza - 50
Mister Buu - 10
SSJ Gohan - 45

I'm curious, why do you have First Form Freeza and SSJ Gohan so close? How is Gohan that much stronger than Gotenks?

[Draconic]

For the anime:

If Vegeta [Champa arc] is a 100. Where do this characters fit in?

Final Form Freeza:
Gotenks [Super Saiyan 3]:
First Form Freeza:
Mister Buu:
Gohan [Super Saiyan, RoF arc]:

If 100 is in base:

Final Form Frieza - 90
Gotenks - 30
First Form Frieza - 50
Mister Buu - 10
SSJ Gohan - 45

I'm curious, why do you have First Form Freeza and SSJ Gohan so close? How is Gohan that much stronger than Gotenks?

Because I have SSJ Gohan as strong as his Ultimate self, based on the fact that in his base form he is still stronger than Piccolo, which means he still kept some of his powers, but can't tap into them without turning Super Saiyan.

[DanielSSJ]

I also prefer to find creative ways to use official number rather than just discarding them outright, and if I were to focus on the pre-Raditz numbers (I typically don't), I'd probably do something along the same lines as what you've described. Consider that as the series progresses and usage of ki become a more central focus, that characters begin expanding what they can do with it, and as such the power levels end up fluctuating quite a lot.

Either their normal powers are low, but they can greatly increase them through attacks (big things like the Kamehameha) or by forcibly focusing it (like King Piccolo using "full power," or Muten Roshi going 'Max Power,' which along with things like the SS Grades can be seen as power-ups beyond one's normal level), or the opposite where they normally fight at a lower level and the numbers represent their full power like you said. Based on things like the 910 for teenage Goku (which I'd attribute to his Super Kamehameha) compared to his Kamehameha's 924 against Raditz, I'd say the former option is a little more likely.



So for the Goku vs Piccolo fights, maybe it could work something like this...

Round 1:
Goku — 180
-- Attacking: 240
- Worn-Out: 120
-- Kamehameha: 200

King Piccolo (Old) — 220
-- Attacking — 280
-- "Full Power" (Pumped Up) — 600

[Goku does well against King Piccolo at first, but the tables get turned once KP starts fighting seriously. Then when he starts using powered-up ki attacks, Goku is completely helpless, especially from already being beat up, and his Kamehameha does nothing.]

Round 2:
Goku — 260
-- Attacking: 500
-- Final Focused Punch: 750

King Piccolo (Young) —260
-- Attacking: 500
-- "Full Power" (Pumped Up) — 700

[Now they're starting out on equal footing, and Goku's tougher and stronger Saiyan physiology [if we're applying numbers retroactively then we can apply yet-unrevealed racial advantages too] lets him keep the edge in their hand-to-hand fight. Piccolo's still got the edge with using Ki attacks though, and they let him regain control of the fight until Goku's final, all-or-nothing finishing blow]

Thanks for the input. Disregarding my long-winded theory about pre-Raditz Ki control, the long and short of it was that I'd treat the 180 number as Goku's Kamehameha power level rather than his normal level. I was thinking something like this:

Round 1
Goku - 90
-- Kamehameha - 180
King Piccolo (old) - 220
-- "half power" - 110

Round 2
Goku - 260
-- Ozaru Punch - 400
King Piccolo (young) - 240
-- "full power" - 260

Mind you, I'm still hashing these ideas out and seeing what works and what doesn't, so we'll see.

I might not be remembering right but wasn't Goku already quite battle worn at that time (Didn't he just fight Tambourine)? Goku could simply be around half his power i.e. ~90 and King Piccolo could be ~110.

Goku had indeed just finished fighting Tambourine, but that fight was rather one-sided and probably wasn't very taxing for Goku. I can't imagine that it would've affected his performance against Piccolo.

[Noah]

So for the Goku vs Piccolo fights, maybe it could work something like this...

Round 1:
Goku — 180
-- Attacking: 240
- Worn-Out: 120
-- Kamehameha: 200

King Piccolo (Old) — 220
-- Attacking — 280
-- "Full Power" (Pumped Up) — 600

[Goku does well against King Piccolo at first, but the tables get turned once KP starts fighting seriously. Then when he starts using powered-up ki attacks, Goku is completely helpless, especially from already being beat up, and his Kamehameha does nothing.]

Round 2:
Goku — 260
-- Attacking: 500
-- Final Focused Punch: 750

King Piccolo (Young) —260
-- Attacking: 500
-- "Full Power" (Pumped Up) — 700

[Now they're starting out on equal footing, and Goku's tougher and stronger Saiyan physiology [if we're applying numbers retroactively then we can apply yet-unrevealed racial advantages too] lets him keep the edge in their hand-to-hand fight. Piccolo's still got the edge with using Ki attacks though, and they let him regain control of the fight until Goku's final, all-or-nothing finishing blow]

I like your numbers do you have a DB BP list?

[Kaboom]

I like your numbers do you have a DB BP list?

Nope, don't plan to make one either. Like the discussion has been saying, one's amount of ki wasn't a driving force in battles for most of the pre-Raditz material, so I don't see much of a point trying to attach numbers to any of it. These numbers were just created to demonstrate a point and a possible avenue for letting the official Piccolo-arc numbers work.

[Noah]

Nope, don't plan to make one either. Like the discussion has been saying, one's amount of ki wasn't a driving force in battles for most of the pre-Raditz material, so I don't see much of a point trying to attach numbers to any of it. These numbers were just created to demonstrate a point and a possible avenue for letting the official Piccolo-arc numbers work.

Well, you should. I like your reasoning, I'm sure you could figure out how to do it.

[Darkron2151]

For the anime:

Where do this characters fit in?

Final Form Freeza:
Gotenks [Super Saiyan 3]:
First Form Freeza:
Mister Buu:
Gohan [Super Saiyan, RoF arc]:

A little late, buuuuut:

• Gotenks (SSJ3): 36
  
  Boo: 14.4
  
  Gohan: 6.4
  Gohan (SSJ): 9.6
  (Gohan (Ultimate): 48)
  
  Freeza (First Form): 13.25
  Freeza (Final form): 53
  
  Goku/Vegeta (ROF): 54
  Goku/Vegeta (Champa): 67.5

Note: I did not follow the "if Vegeta (Champa) is a 100" rule. Solely because the numbers, when converted, turn into messy, ugly numbers with large decimals. So here's just the PLs I have for everyone in my list (just multiply all by a billion) in relation to one another.

[ZombieVito]

For the anime:

Where do this characters fit in?

Final Form Freeza:
Gotenks [Super Saiyan 3]:
First Form Freeza:
Mister Buu:
Gohan [Super Saiyan, RoF arc]:

A little late, buuuuut:

• Gotenks (SSJ3): 36
  
  Boo: 14.4
  
  Gohan: 6.4
  Gohan (SSJ): 9.6
  (Gohan (Ultimate): 48)
  
  Freeza (First Form): 13.25
  Freeza (Final form): 53
  
  Goku/Vegeta (ROF): 54
  Goku/Vegeta (Champa): 67.5

Note: I did not follow the "if Vegeta (Champa) is a 100" rule. Solely because the numbers, when converted, turn into messy, ugly numbers with large decimals. So here's just the PLs I have for everyone in my list (just multiply all by a billion) in relation to one another.

Nah it's fine. I want to read as much views on the matter as possible. Making Super battle powers is tough but I fully believe it's doable. I won't give up.

Any reason you don't give Gohan the full x50 multiplier for Super Saiyan?

[Darkron2151]

Any reason you don't give Gohan the full x50 multiplier for Super Saiyan?

Same reason why I don't have any fusions/Anyone with altered ki from Buu Arc onward having 50x SSJ boosts in the anime: Power Gaps. For any fusions or people in which recieved ki training/altered ki (Goku/Vegeta post Whis Training, Gohan after receiving Ultimate, Cabba being a superior evolution of the Saiyan race, Future Trunks having trained a lot in his future; etc). I have the multipliers:

• Oozaru: +10%
  SSJ: +50%
  SSJ2: +100%
  SSJ3: +400%
  SSGSS/SSB/SSR: +500%

Here are my explanations for said multipliers:

Buu Arc:
[spoiler]1. Base Gotenks putting up decent fight against Boo (similar to Majin Vegeta).

2. SSJ Gotenks having the power to beat Boo.

3. Not too much of a gap between SSJ Gotenks and SSJ3 Gotenks, seeing the Evil Boo fight.

4. Bootenks not completely one-shotting SSJ3 Goku.[/spoiler]

BOG Arc:
[spoiler]1. SSJ3 Goku now the "Strongest Saiyan", so > SSJ3 Gotenks, as Gohan is now weakened.[/spoiler]


ROF Arc:
[spoiler]1. Base Gohan >= Piccolo

2. Freeza (First Form) >> SSJ Gohan

3. Good Boo >= Freeza (First Form); as implied by Krillin, who after realizing that Goku and Vegeta were no-shows, thought the situation was fine since they still had Boo, and then was shocked when he realized Boo was not there, to which they then addressed Gohan.[/spoiler]

Champa Arc:
[spoiler]1. Goku picking Boo, whom of which sensed Gohan's SSJ ki from Beerus' planet, over said Gohan. Granted, Gohan was training, but Goku didn't know at the time. So even he thinks Mr. Boo is more impressive than SSJ gohan from ROF.

2. For as to why I have Cabba having the altered SSJ boost, I attribute that to the Saiyans in their universe being a more "evolved" versions of the Saiyans from universe 7. Having no tails, no Oozaru transformation, never even hearing of the SSJ legend, and also reaching incredible heights in Base power without any godly training of some sort.[/spoiler]

Again, these are just my explanations for the anime (or at least my best ones). They may very well be wrong, but I really don't care, as DB Super's power inconsistencies make it hard enough as it is, and I'm just about done with worrying about numbers and just seeing the show as entertainment.

[ZombieVito]

Was RoF Gohan really stronger than Piccolo in base? When Tagoma said that Piccolo was suppressed since he powers up to face him.

There's also the fact that he challenges Tagoma in the first place instead of Gohan. After the latter said he might be as strong as his best.

[Darkron2151]

Was RoF Gohan really stronger than Piccolo in base? When Tagoma said that Piccolo was suppressed since he powers up to face him.

There's also the fact that he challenges Tagoma in the first place instead of Gohan. After the latter said he might be as strong as his best.

Gohan, though still losing badly, was able to stand up to Ginyu, who was stronger than Tagoma, who was stated to be at Gohan's peak at the time (statement was vague, but I take it as him being equal to current Base Gohan) and also was able to mutilate Piccolo, whom of which Gohan had to save. Even though Piccolo was supressed due to weighted clothing, I doubt it would make a huge difference when taking it off. If it did, then I don't know why Piccolo didn't just take it off from the beginning.

Luckily, Piccolo was able to make up that difference in power (and then some) by training with Gohan for 8 months; just in time for the tournament.

[ZombieVito]

I wouldn't say Gohan stood up to Ginyu. The latter was disappointed in him and called his power puny.

Also why did Piccolo attack Tagoma once Gohan said that? Makes no sense if he is weaker than base Gohan.

[ekrolo2]

For the manga version of the Black arc thus far:

Goku - 250 mil (Base)
- 12.5 bill (Super Saiyan)
- 25 bill (Super Saiyan 2)
- 100 bill (Super Saiyan 3)
- 25 trillion (Super Saiyan God, x100 000 base, 1 on the God scale)
- 50 trill (Super Saiyan Blue, x200 000 base, 5 on the God Scale)

Vegeta - 245 mill (Base)
- 12.250 bill (Super Saiyan)
- 24.5 bill (Super Saiyan 2)
- 49 trill (Super Saiyan Blue, 4.9 on the God scale)

The manga doesn't give Goku or Vegeta stronger base forms as evidenced by the fact they're roughly on par with one another and Super Saiyan God is readily available to Goku for use whereas it becomes absorbed by him in the anime/movies.

Future Trunks - 252 mil (Base)
- 12.6 bill (Super Saiyan)
- 25.2 bill (Super Saiyan 2)
- 88.2 bill (Full-Power Super Saiyan 2)

Whis says Trunks has the slight advantage over Goku when the two of them battle in Super Saiyan 2 and Vegeta comments on how Trunks' power has increased nearly to the same amount as Goku's as an SS3. How does this work? Trunks stated he worked his ass off every day for 10 years, I imagine similarly to how Vegeta did during the 7 year gap. This, coupled with Vegeta and Goku's base forms not being supremely stronger than they were before creates a good window of opportunity for Trunks to stay close to them outside the god forms.

As for his Super Saiyan 2 increase, I believe Trunks adopted Goku's SS1 mastery idea to 2. Allowing him to use energy he'd previously waste on activating/maintaining SS2 to temporarily take the form beyond its limits.

Black - 10 to 20 trillion.

Trunks scoffs at Goku's praise at his power increase, commenting that he was still worthless fodder to Black who completely scoffed at all of Trunks' attacks like they were nothing. Upon hearing this, Goku decides to ask Beerus for help as he feels like they might need more help with the situation than he originally assumed they would. Until the actual fight happens, I'll keep Black's manga power as somewhere close to Super Saiyan God.

[LightBing]

For the manga version of the Black arc thus far:

Goku - 250 mil (Base)
- 12.5 bill (Super Saiyan)
- 25 bill (Super Saiyan 2)
- 100 bill (Super Saiyan 3)
- 25 trillion (Super Saiyan God, x100 000 base, 1 on the God scale)
- 50 trill (Super Saiyan Blue, x200 000 base, 5 on the God Scale)

Vegeta - 245 mill (Base)
- 12.250 bill (Super Saiyan)
- 24.5 bill (Super Saiyan 2)
- 49 trill (Super Saiyan Blue, 4.9 on the God scale)

The manga doesn't give Goku or Vegeta stronger base forms as evidenced by the fact they're roughly on par with one another and Super Saiyan God is readily available to Goku for use whereas it becomes absorbed by him in the anime/movies.

Future Trunks - 252 mil (Base)
- 12.6 bill (Super Saiyan)
- 25.2 bill (Super Saiyan 2)
- 88.2 bill (Full-Power Super Saiyan 2)

Whis says Trunks has the slight advantage over Goku when the two of them battle in Super Saiyan 2 and Vegeta comments on how Trunks' power has increased nearly to the same amount as Goku's as an SS3. How does this work? Trunks stated he worked his ass off every day for 10 years, I imagine similarly to how Vegeta did during the 7 year gap. This, coupled with Vegeta and Goku's base forms not being supremely stronger than they were before creates a good window of opportunity for Trunks to stay close to them outside the god forms.

As for his Super Saiyan 2 increase, I believe Trunks adopted Goku's SS1 mastery idea to 2. Allowing him to use energy he'd previously waste on activating/maintaining SS2 to temporarily take the form beyond its limits.

Black - 10 to 20 trillion.

Trunks scoffs at Goku's praise at his power increase, commenting that he was still worthless fodder to Black who completely scoffed at all of Trunks' attacks like they were nothing. Upon hearing this, Goku decides to ask Beerus for help as he feels like they might need more help with the situation than he originally assumed they would. Until the actual fight happens, I'll keep Black's manga power as somewhere close to Super Saiyan God.

Why give Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue multipliers?
I know that Mr.Toriyama said it's dependent of one's battle power, it still doesn't point towards a multiplier due to the original Super Saiyan God defeat, even if he was a weakling at 500, for example, multiply it by 100.000 and he can one-shot every Saiyan in moments.
Unless you disregard Mr.Toriyama comments, which is fine since they were made in 2013 and parts proved to have been retconned. Goku doesn't even absorb God in the manga, in base at least.
Even if that's the case, new information might easily make your list crash within it's on rules. Just advising for some flexibility, like it's the case in Dragon Ball, you can still have the number and not seal it with a rule, just for the sake of it.

Besides that what I disagree is the Saiyans base. They should be much stronger than that, in the realm of Piccolo at a minimum. Which I assume you have much stronger than that.
Goku was able to take a furry of attacks from Assault Form Frost and got up stretching. Meanwhile Piccolo asked Frost to power down, so he could have a chance.
By power-scaling you have them way down. Piccolo at this point should be at a minimum at Vegeta (Cell Games) level.

[ekrolo2]

Why give Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue multipliers?
I know that Mr.Toriyama said it's dependent of one's battle power, it still doesn't point towards a multiplier due to the original Super Saiyan God defeat, even if he was a weakling at 500, for example, multiply it by 100.000 and he can one-shot every Saiyan in moments.
Unless you disregard Mr.Toriyama comments, which is fine since they were made in 2013 and parts proved to have been retconned. Goku doesn't even absorb God in the manga, in base at least.
Even if that's the case, new information might easily make your list crash within it's on rules. Just advising for some flexibility, like it's the case in Dragon Ball, you can still have the number and not seal it with a rule, just for the sake of it.

Besides that what I disagree is the Saiyans base. They should be much stronger than that, in the realm of Piccolo at a minimum. Which I assume you have much stronger than that.
Goku was able to take a furry of attacks from Assault Form Frost and got up stretching. Meanwhile Piccolo asked Frost to power down, so he could have a chance.
By power-scaling you have them way down. Piccolo at this point should be at a minimum at Vegeta (Cell Games) level.

I actually just forgot about the Original Saiyan God for this list

Since neither the Super manga or anime mention it, I just assume it doesn't exist it either. Toyotaro makes it a point to explain certain details the anime doesn't so I think he'd have worked the backstory of SSGod into narration or something if he intended on keeping it. I do agree with you that God is probably more dependant on ones battle power instead of a fixed increase but for the sake of a PL list I made one up for convenience.

Piccolo is between CG SS Gohan and CG Perfect Cell for me. The reason why I don't have them closer to him in power is because Frosts transformations, except his final one which is mastered unlike Freeza's, only gives him incremental increases. Freeza, between multiple transformations, only goes from 530 000 to roughly 3-4 million. Since Goku can trounce Frost in his first form and shrugs off his attacks even in Assault, I just assume he doesn't get much more powerful until his final form comes into play. Even then, Goku doesn't exert any significant amount of effort to beat Frost up and only loses because of the poison.

Piccolo's kind of weird. Everyone treats him as being really outclassed but then he fights Frost fairly evenly during their battle. He's getting tired more than Frost is but it isn't like the anime where he needs to raise his power through a strong attack, he's just taking on Frost in straight up combat. Frost even tells Piccolo he wants to end the battle quickly but he can't lay a single hit on him.

Another thing that leads some credence to them being inferior to Piccolo still is the fact Goku uses Gohan's previous Cell Games peak as a measuring stick against Trunks, the same way Vegeta did for Goku in the Boo Saga. Trunks is a bit stronger than Goku when they fight in Super Saiyan 2 so unless Gohan already bypassed Piccolo in base back in the Cell Games, I don't think they're stronger than him still without Super Saiyan.