Has the series ever had good guys who become bad?

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:03 am

Goten. Laid waste to Trunks' future.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:11 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:Goten. Laid waste to Trunks' future.

Oh... oh...

My head

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:10 pm

I think Zamasu is the first somewhat good character to slip into evil.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:41 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:I think Zamasu is the first somewhat good character to slip into evil.

He was never really a "good guy".

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:04 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I think Zamasu is the first somewhat good character to slip into evil.
He was never really a "good guy".

That's why I said "somewhat".

Doctor. · Post by **Doctor.** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:07 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I think Zamasu is the first somewhat good character to slip into evil.
He was never really a "good guy".

He was a Kaio. He must have been good at some point, we were just introduced to him when he was neutral.

Baggie_Saiyan · Post by **Baggie_Saiyan** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:28 pm

Doctor. wrote:Yeah, Zamasu.

Was he quote on quote good though? I mean he seemed to have quite a bit of disdain for mortals/humans even when we were first introduced something was off about him.

Edit- The way Gows gave explained things to him seems like he was trainee and not that experienced so when we were intro'd to him he doesn't look like he was in the job for much long.

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:36 pm

The previous Kami is still the best example I can think of.

Avenged · Post by **Avenged** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:22 am

Goku in great ape form.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:34 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:The previous Kami is still the best example I can think of.

The previous Kami was never evil. Garlic Jr. was evil, and the "Nameless Namekian" had some evil in his heart before his good half became the God of Earth.

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:44 am

For not being evil, he sure was a jerk to Kami and Mr. Popo

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:49 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:For not being evil, he sure was a jerk to Kami and Mr. Popo

Sure, but he was just protecting Holy Ground. Besides, if we can just be real for a minute, Garlic Jr. doesn't count. It doesn't even fit into the continuity of the main storyline. I only referenced it to be as inclusive as possible.

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:51 am

Well I figured we could use non-canon of examples since the OP didn't prohibit them.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:57 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Well I figured we could use non-canon of examples since the OP didn't prohibit them.

Sure. But I'm not convinced that he was even evil, he was just protecting the resting place of he and his predecessors.

Freeza9000 · Post by **Freeza9000** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:42 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Yeah, Zamasu.
Was he quote on quote good though? I mean he seemed to have quite a bit of disdain for mortals/humans even when we were first introduced something was off about him.

Edit- The way Gows gave explained things to him seems like he was trainee and not that experienced so when we were intro'd to him he doesn't look like he was in the job for much long.

He may not be that good in the beginning, but he really wasn't as bad as he is now. Back then, he was just a random prodigious student that pours tea with doubts about ningens aka mortals. His doubt then became amplified many times more when he witnessed Goku's powers and the violence of the Barbarians and etc. That was when Zamasu decides that all mortals should be exterminated and thus causing the death of his mentor.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:55 am

Freeza9000 wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Yeah, Zamasu.
Was he quote on quote good though? I mean he seemed to have quite a bit of disdain for mortals/humans even when we were first introduced something was off about him.

Edit- The way Gows gave explained things to him seems like he was trainee and not that experienced so when we were intro'd to him he doesn't look like he was in the job for much long.
He may not be that good in the beginning, but he really wasn't as bad as he is now. Back then, he was just a random prodigious student that pours tea with doubts about ningens aka mortals. His doubt then became amplified many times more when he witnessed Goku's powers and the violence of the Barbarians and etc. That was when Zamasu decides that all mortals should be exterminated and thus causing the death of his mentor.

I don't think it's fair to say that Gowasu is dead yet. Even though the leaks seem to indicate it, there could be some kind of twist.

Freeza9000 · Post by **Freeza9000** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:24 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote: Was he quote on quote good though? I mean he seemed to have quite a bit of disdain for mortals/humans even when we were first introduced something was off about him.

Edit- The way Gows gave explained things to him seems like he was trainee and not that experienced so when we were intro'd to him he doesn't look like he was in the job for much long.
He may not be that good in the beginning, but he really wasn't as bad as he is now. Back then, he was just a random prodigious student that pours tea with doubts about ningens aka mortals. His doubt then became amplified many times more when he witnessed Goku's powers and the violence of the Barbarians and etc. That was when Zamasu decides that all mortals should be exterminated and thus causing the death of his mentor.
I don't think it's fair to say that Gowasu is dead yet. Even though the leaks seem to indicate it, there could be some kind of twist.

Like what? What makes you think that?

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:15 pm

Freeza9000 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:
He may not be that good in the beginning, but he really wasn't as bad as he is now. Back then, he was just a random prodigious student that pours tea with doubts about ningens aka mortals. His doubt then became amplified many times more when he witnessed Goku's powers and the violence of the Barbarians and etc. That was when Zamasu decides that all mortals should be exterminated and thus causing the death of his mentor.
I don't think it's fair to say that Gowasu is dead yet. Even though the leaks seem to indicate it, there could be some kind of twist.
Like what? What makes you think that?

It's not that I think he's alive, I just don't think we should write him off as dead until we see him die.

Freeza9000 · Post by **Freeza9000** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:48 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that Gowasu is dead yet. Even though the leaks seem to indicate it, there could be some kind of twist.
Like what? What makes you think that?
It's not that I think he's alive, I just don't think we should write him off as dead until we see him die.

He definitely would be killed by Zamasu, but who knows? He might be revived by the DBs.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:50 pm

Freeza9000 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:
Like what? What makes you think that?
It's not that I think he's alive, I just don't think we should write him off as dead until we see him die.
He definitely would be killed by Zamasu, but who knows? He might be revived by the DBs.

We'll probably have a good idea in a few more hours.

Kanzenshuu

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