"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

I wouldn't say it ended the power creep. It's still there. But keeping Beerus on top is fantastic so long as they use him right.

After Super Saiyan God, they got an unknown amount stronger than with Blue and that's it. I don't remember any power creep. Unless you consider the God forms itself, I was thinking of it was the starting point for the new normal.

[dbzfan7]

I wouldn't say it ended the power creep. It's still there. But keeping Beerus on top is fantastic so long as they use him right.

After Super Saiyan God, they got an unknown amount stronger than with Blue and that's it. I don't remember any power creep. Unless you consider the God forms itself, I was thinking of it was the starting point for the new normal.

Oh that's what you meant. Oh yeah I kinda agree it's probably best to just keep Blue as an improved God form, and nothing else. No multipliers to muddle things up.

[MCDaveG]

I am sorry, to be an asshole, but wouldn't it be better to take these discussions about power levels and SSJ forms to In-universe section?
I am visiting this topic for news, tidbits and interesting official info and after a while, these multipage discussions on in-universe speculations because of lack of a new info begin to get tiresome for a casual reader like me.
Thanks for consideration and feel free to scold me

[Luso Saiyan]

I second that.

[ArchedThunder]

Fingers crossed we get magazine leaks today so we know episode titles and staff!

[LightBing]

I am sorry, to be an asshole, but wouldn't it be better to take these discussions about power levels and SSJ forms to In-universe section?
I am visiting this topic for news, tidbits and interesting official info and after a while, these multipage discussions on in-universe speculations because of lack of a new info begin to get tiresome for a casual reader like me.
Thanks for consideration and feel free to scold me

I understand were you're coming from, I too prefer to keep this thread clean. But that really wasn't the case with the latest discussions. I get that you didn't read the walls of texts posted, if you that a look you would see there's no power levels discussion and the SSJ form discussion is in the context of Super's writing.

It went from a parallel between Dragon Ball and Super, developed into a discussion with dbzfan7 about the merit and lack of Blue, comparing it with SSJ2. Went further into RoF being the root of many of the repeating mistakes of Dragon Ball in Super. To me saying the lack of power creep is one of the best thing about Super. Then I was just clarifying dbzfan7 view of this in the last couple of posts.

This topic is supposed to be have a wide range. We didn't fall in the off-topic territory, it's as legitimate as the discussion about Yoka Yoka Dance, that was going on before.

[alakazam^]

The criticism of Blue never made much sense to begin with since we've been told since the beginning that it was the Super Saiyajin form of a Saiyajin with God ki, thus its name. It's not supposed to look different than normal Super Saiyajin and it also got the same stuff God had, minus the eyes. It just comes across as people not coping with it for some reason than it being valid complaints. One can't even use the excuse of having their expectations crushed because there weren't any to begin with, everyone was caught by surprise with Blue.

[MCDaveG]

I am sorry, to be an asshole, but wouldn't it be better to take these discussions about power levels and SSJ forms to In-universe section?
I am visiting this topic for news, tidbits and interesting official info and after a while, these multipage discussions on in-universe speculations because of lack of a new info begin to get tiresome for a casual reader like me.
Thanks for consideration and feel free to scold me

I understand were you're coming from, I too prefer to keep this thread clean. But that really wasn't the case with the latest discussions. I get that you didn't read the walls of texts posted, if you that a look you would see there's no power levels discussion and the SSJ form discussion is in the context of Super's writing.

It went from a parallel between Dragon Ball and Super, developed into a discussion with dbzfan7 about the merit and lack of Blue, comparing it with SSJ2. Went further into RoF being the root of many of the repeating mistakes of Dragon Ball in Super. To me saying the lack of power creep is one of the best thing about Super. Then I was just clarifying dbzfan7 view of this in the last couple of posts.

This topic is supposed to be have a wide range. We didn't fall in the off-topic territory, it's as legitimate as the discussion about Yoka Yoka Dance, that was going on before.

You should be forgiven then, LightBing
It's sometimes hard to navigate, when you are out of context and surrounded by people who are obsessed with stuff like that, so thanks for the clarification.

[dbzfan7]

I am sorry, to be an asshole, but wouldn't it be better to take these discussions about power levels and SSJ forms to In-universe section?
I am visiting this topic for news, tidbits and interesting official info and after a while, these multipage discussions on in-universe speculations because of lack of a new info begin to get tiresome for a casual reader like me.
Thanks for consideration and feel free to scold me

I understand were you're coming from, I too prefer to keep this thread clean. But that really wasn't the case with the latest discussions. I get that you didn't read the walls of texts posted, if you that a look you would see there's no power levels discussion and the SSJ form discussion is in the context of Super's writing.

It went from a parallel between Dragon Ball and Super, developed into a discussion with dbzfan7 about the merit and lack of Blue, comparing it with SSJ2. Went further into RoF being the root of many of the repeating mistakes of Dragon Ball in Super. To me saying the lack of power creep is one of the best thing about Super. Then I was just clarifying dbzfan7 view of this in the last couple of posts.

This topic is supposed to be have a wide range. We didn't fall in the off-topic territory, it's as legitimate as the discussion about Yoka Yoka Dance, that was going on before.

Yeah it was quite interesting to realize just how good it actually is they don't talk about SSJ Blue and how it relates to others on a mathematical level. I used to think that's bad, but actually it avoids even more headaches and confusion. A glass ceiling they also don't break right away is also great. Kaio-Ken throws it into a mess again, but the manga ignores it so I will to.

Even knowing what was going on backstage doesn't stop it from being bad. Awful might be a bit harsh, still the BoG is very weak and bar a few episodes it's BoG the movie, done much, much worse. Not talking about animation or anything of that sort, the comedy is much cringe at some points, the differences are few and unenthusiastic and what they did change(Namekian Book of Legends) turns into nothing, or inconsistencies (Vegeta 10% line).

Backstage doesn't at all excuse the BOG arc from being bad. It definitely had a bad start . It's not the worst we've had, as that'd be the F arc, but it didn't do anything at all to really make it a worthy retelling, or hype up the show. It had some good ideas, some good stuff for Beerus, but overall didn't go the full distance it should have. The boat setting was even more boring and uninteresting than the backyard. I think both the retellings should have been re-imaginings/reboots of the original movie tales. Like how Silent Hill Shattered Memories did it's own thing with the same characters of the original game. Definitely won't forgive them removing lore from SSJ God, and giving a pointless addition such as the Namekian Book of Legends, with absolutely no follow up.

[Anime Kitten]

I'm just gonna throw this out there, that SSJB is my favorite form despite (maybe because of) it's lack of originality. Not that this furthers any discussion, but I figured I'd mention it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I'm just gonna throw this out there, that SSJB is my favorite form despite (maybe because of) it's lack of originality. Not that this furthers any discussion, but I figured I'd mention it.

I flip flop between SSG and SSGSS as to which is my favourite. Recently watched BoG film and forgot how gorgeous non aura SSG was on Goku I then started rewatching BoG SSG bits again (hence where my new avatar came from!) That is one thing I appreciate about the retellings more love for SSG before it disappears for good. I do wonder how a (coloured) version of SSG in the "F" outfit would look. My only issues with SSG is the aura ruins it and it will only look good on Goku (and maybe pre teen Goten since same hair).

SSGSS I love because that shade of Blue is on my favourite colours, aura was a massive improvement and it basically represents what Toriyama wanted, tranquility. Plus imo I think it'll look good on most people unlike SSG.

I do love SSRosé more then those two if we're counting that was kinda hoping it would be obtainable but doesn't look likely. Aura. Shade of pink. Use of grey eyes and the way it compliments Black. Looks great.

OG Saiyan forms are cool and all but we've had nothing but exposure for the past whatever years so these new forms despite not being that much different have been refreshing. Who knows maybe in 10-15 years when Dragon Ball begins its third revival I may feel differently about SSG, SSGSS etc

[Anime Kitten]

I do wonder how a (coloured) version of SSG in the "F" outfit would look.

This might give you an idea:

[Chuquita]

Ssjg is still my favorite Gokû transformation. I was so happy to see it semi-return in Toyotarou's manga and in an arc where he wears his F dougi no less!

Even through it's pretty much gone in the anime, I figure, well, I can draw ssjg if I want, so I'm ok.


I feel like ssjr is a special/magical mode and that Gokû Black is probably going to be the only one with it (but I could be wrong).

[MCDaveG]

It was kinda hard for me, to get used to that magenta hair, but I did like that whole slimming and making Goku younger effect, that was nice.
I am also fan of Toyotaro bringing back the SSG again. Personally, this will be unpopular opinion, I didn't like that SSJB Kaioken gig that happened in Tournament arc much.

[dbzfan7]

Personally, this will be unpopular opinion, I didn't like that SSJB Kaioken gig that happened in Tournament arc much.

Hearsay! The episode was pretty cool and you didn't like something in it, so you must mean you hate everything! I knew it.

[Noah]

My favorite transformation always will be Super Saiyan 2, it's debut was one of the greateast in the series, quite memorable, love the aura with sparks and the hair.

Made me happy that Toei/Toyotaro decided to give some love to this form in the anime/manga.

[Dbzfan94]

My favorite is a tie between SSJ3 and SSJ4. Both insanely awesome transformations, especially how 4 goes back to the Oozaru and (kinda) the original SSJ story that Vegeta told in the Namek Saga

[Alruneia]

My favorite transformation always will be Super Saiyan 2, it's debut was one of the greateast in the series, quite memorable, love the aura with sparks and the hair.

Made me happy that Toei/Toyotaro decided to give some love to this form in the anime/manga.

I agree. For me, the reason why SSJ2 is so great is that it's presented as the correct successor to SSJ1 ("He did it right!" - Future Trunks (Funi) about SSJ2 Gohan). Aesthetic comes in second, because I think it looks great as well. The even spikier hair (I don't get how people can't tell the difference between 1 and 2 except in Vegeta's case), the sparks... It's just nice to look at.

[kinisking]

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God, I wish Ssgss was red. Makes more sense to me too. Blue is god like, while red is a stronger color.
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Would have also preffered if ssg had a slight spike to it all the time, like in this picture.

[fadeddreams5]

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God, I wish Ssgss was red. Makes more sense to me too. Blue is god like, while red is a stronger color.

That should have been SSJG. SSGSS shouldn't have even existed. Goku should have just mastered that form.