Edits to Viz manga - volumes 21 and 26?

Kula · Post by **Kula** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:48 pm

I've just been looking through the Viz DBZ mangas looking for all the edits that were made (Gohan in vol 2, middle fingers, edited guns etc) and in the front of volumes 21 and 26 it says...

"Some art has been modified from the original Japanese edition"

What exactly were the edits that took place in these two volumes?

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:27 pm

It's worth noting that Viz sometimes puts this warning in random books, and also neglects to put it in books that have been edited. I'm not sure that there's any real correlation to whether the book has been edited or not.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:42 pm

I always thought that was a disclaimer for all of the books but one thing that pisses me off the most is in #21. There's noticeable "blotches" towards the end of the book that they didn't even try to fix. If they had time to change signs from Hercule to Hercule, they could've fixed actual problems as well. I couldn't catch any major edits with #26 though..
-Rick

TriforceCaptre · Post by **TriforceCaptre** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:10 pm

They already rate the thing "T". Why couldn't they, I don't know...bump up the rating and NOT edit any images?

*sigh* Oh Dragonball, how the distributors of all your incarnations hate you.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:16 pm

TriforceCaptre wrote:They already rate the thing "T". Why couldn't they, I don't know...bump up the rating and NOT edit any images? *sigh* Oh Dragonball, how the distributors of all your incarnations hate you.

My guess is that they wanted the English speaking fans to be familiar with how they knew DragonBall. In the peak of its popularity in the US, most fans knew of the Androids and Cell. That's the reason why edits started really coming down in those volumes.

Think about it, wouldn't it be weird to see Hercule in all of the games you play and episodes you watch only to see Hercule on other products later? So yeah, I think Viz did the changes for fans to be familiar with what was given to them already. The things that annoy me the most are the edits dealing with the middle finger and guns turned to zappers in the Buu Arc..
-Rick

TriforceCaptre · Post by **TriforceCaptre** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:25 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
TriforceCaptre wrote:They already rate the thing "T". Why couldn't they, I don't know...bump up the rating and NOT edit any images? *sigh* Oh Dragonball, how the distributors of all your incarnations hate you.
My guess is that they wanted the English speaking fans to be familiar with how they knew DragonBall. In the peak of its popularity in the US, most fans knew of the Androids and Cell. That's the reason why edits started really coming down in those volumes.

Think about it, wouldn't it be weird to see Hercule in all of the games you play and episodes you watch only to see Mr. Satan on other products later? So yeah, I think Viz did the changes for fans to be familiar with what was given to them already. The things that annoy me the most are the edits dealing with the middle finger and guns turned to zappers in the Buu Arc..
-Rick

I disagree with you about the name changes. Viz calls Vegeto "Vegerot" Even though Funimation calls him Vegeto. So the whole "fans are familiar with this name" excuse isn't passable.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:31 pm

That's another example of manga people doing things differently than anime people. Even within Viz that happens. Ranma, Inuyasha, and Naruto have attack, place, and other names and terms that are different in their anime and manga.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:44 pm

TriforceCaptre wrote:I disagree with you about the name changes. Viz calls Vegeto "Vegerot" Even though Funimation calls him Vegeto. So the whole "fans are familiar with this name" excuse isn't passable.

Also using the 'Kuririn' and 'Tenshinhan' names as opposed to the names that Funi decided to use. (Darn name filters...)

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:53 pm

I forgot about Vegerot and the characters who were introduced in DragonBall but I was mainly focusing on the whole Hercule thing. If anything, they did that edit to be on the safe side from concerned parents I guess.
-Rick

TriforceCaptre · Post by **TriforceCaptre** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:12 pm

I can kind of understand that. But the fact that they seem to think parents would place concern of the name Satan over concern of an old man gawking at a 16 year olds naughty bits just makes me sad.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:26 pm

Not to mention that H.ercule was replaced with Mr. Satan in the uncut dub in the DVDs.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:27 pm

Kula wrote:(Gohan in vol 2,

What was edited about Gohan in volume 2?

Kula · Post by **Kula** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:24 pm

Tyro wrote:
Kula wrote:(Gohan in vol 2,
What was edited about Gohan in volume 2?

His genitals were painted out after he turned back from an oozaru.

Some of the edits are a little inconsistent. They edited the sniper's guns to lazer guns in one volume, but left a criminal's gun unedited in another. It's funny how they edit out a gun, but keep in the most graphic violence. Spopovitch's beating of Videl springs to mind.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:31 pm

"Vegerot" still bothers me the most of all the edits in the manga. >_>

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:18 pm

Chuquita wrote:"Vegerot" still bothers me the most of all the edits in the manga. >_>

That's not so much of an edit as it was a name change. As I said, Viz does that with their own mangas of animes they do. For example:

Inuyasha's claw attack:

Manga: Claws of Steel

Anime: Iron Reaver Soul Stealer

Kodachi's school:

Manga: St. Bacchus

Anime: St. Heberike (spl)

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:35 pm

That's something I too noticed about Viz.

Naruto

Viz Manga: Art of the Doppleganger

US Anime (From the only English episode I've seen): Shadow Clone Jutsu

Japanese Anime: Kage-Bunshin no Jutsu

Weird it all is... Viz is a funny one.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:44 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:That's something I too noticed about Viz.

Weird it all is.

Yoda you are, yes?

On topic-uh... I hate edits. That is all I can say without bashing VIZ.

TheJoo87 · Post by **TheJoo87** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:38 am

Even Funi gave two versions of the vhs tapes: one uncut video wise and one edited which isnt bad and all of the dvds were uncut. So what gives?

I hate Viz. They're just assholes in my mind not caring about fans. They could just as easily release a pure unraped version and a crappy one.

By the way does anyone know a place that lists all the edits Viz made to the manga?

Names? Images? Dialogue?

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:09 am

Dragonball, Volume 1 - What can be noted here is that Bulma is given a "Valley Girl" manner of speech which quickly fades as the volume proceeds. Her speech is normal from there on out. Also, when Goku is fighting the giant bear warrior, in the Viz he says “Rock, Scissors, Paper!” but does a punch when “paper” is supposed to mean Goku uses a flat hand smash. This was a mistake by Viz. Goku actually just says “Jan…Ken…guu(“rock”)” which would explain why he does a punch.

Dragonball, Volume 2 - The black henchman of the Rabbit Mob has his lips whited out to make it seem like his mouth is always open.

Dragonball, Volume 3 - A black challenger in the Tenkaichi Budokai has his white lips colored in a light shade of gray to match his skin. This edit goes on for several pages until he's beaten by Goku in the preliminaries and is no longer seen.

Dragonball, Volume 4 - Giran's Guru Guru Gum is renamed "Lassooin Gum." Giran also makes some sort of odd reference after trapping Goku. He mentions that it'd be like "punching Punch (you know, that puppet guy)." Originally he just claims there's no escape for Goku. At the end of a Chapter, when it appears Goku may lose to Giran, a panel has the cheesy addition text "Is this the end of Goku?! Then how do you explain Dragonball Z??!". The “Then how do you explain Dragonball Z??!” part was added.

Dragonball, Volume 5 - The character "Sergeant Metallic" has his name changed to "Full Metal Jacket" and the monster called "Buyo" or "Buyon" is changed to "The Jiggler".

Dragonball, Volume 6 - Goku's nick name for #8 is changed from "Ha-Chan" (Little Eight) to "8-Man".

Dragonball, Volume 9 - In the reprinted version of this tankobon, Bulma has been given a bra after Kuririn pulls down her top. He originally exposed her breasts. The Invisible Man's lips have also been edited out due to the lack of color in the comic, making it hard to tell for some not aware that he's not supposed to appear like the stereotypical "black face."

Dragonball, Volume 10 - In the reprinted version of this volume, Yamcha giving Tenshinhan the bird is changed to him shaking his fist at him.

Dragonball, Volume 14 - Mr. Popo's lips are colored in black to match his face, to reduce his resemblance to "Sanbo" which is a long story. Basically, it's to avoid offending African-Americans. This change is retained for every appearance of Mr. Popo for the rest of the series.

tankobon #17 / Dragonball Z, Volume 1 - Piccolo's Makankosappo is changed to "Light of Death." (Could be a translation, but other attacks are in Japanese).

tankobon #18 / Dragonball Z, Volume 2 - Piccolo's threat to Gohan "I'll bash in your skull!" is changed to "I'll slit your throat!". Gohan has his genitals painted out after he turned back from an oozaru. Also, instead of leaving the word untouched as Saibaimen, which would leave the pun difficult to detect for English speakers, Viz decided to try and translate it. Now, since "Cultivated Men" (saibai = cultivation) didn't sound so catchy, they decided to use "Cultivars" instead. (Note that in Japanese it's Saibai, not Saiba like in the dub.)

tankobon #31 / Dragonball Z, Volume 15 - #16‘s move "Hell Flash" is changed to "Inferno Blast". Also, a title page in which various members of the Dragon Team flipping Cell off is altered to them "clenching their fists angrily". At this point in the series, cussing seems to stop entirely, whereas "Bastard" "Ass" "Damn" and "Hell" were all used frequently before.

tankobon #33 / Dragonball Z, Volume 17 - "Mister Satan" is changed to "Herc-ule". This stays the same for the rest of the series.

tankobon #35 / Dragonball Z, Volume 19 - #17's gun is removed from the 2nd to last chapter, which he uses to shoot a man in the face. The alteration gives the impression that #17 opted to crush the guys skull instead.

tankobon #37 / Dragonball Z, Volume 21 - "Majin Boo" is changed to "Boo the Djinn". This change is retained for the rest of the series.

tankobon #40 / Dragonball Z, Volume 24 - The guns used by the Random Criminals to shoot the old couple, Boo's dog, and Mister Satan are all changed to look like "Laser Blasters". Also, Goku's offer to Rou Kaio-shin to feel up Bulma is changed to meeting her.

tankobon #41 / Dragonball Z, Volume 25 - The “laser guns” used in volume 24 should be turned back to regular guns now. After SSj Gotenks smashes heads with Shin Boo, they both get back up and Gotenks flips him “the bird.” This was changed to Gotenks just shaking his fist at Shin Boo.

tankobon #42 / Dragonball Z, Volume 26 - Vegetto’s name was changed to “Vegerot.” This was because Vegetto is Vegeta + Kakarrotto (Japanese spelling), and Vegerot is Vegeta + Kakarrot (English Viz spelling).

"Chi" vs. "Ki" - Viz opts to use the term "Chi" as opposed to "Ki". But in all honesty, "Ki" is a more accurate term and "Chi" isn't exactly the same thing...technically.

Dragonball Re-issues - In the latest re-issues of Dragonball, all instances of Bulma being full frontal naked from the waste up is altered to have a bra. And no, the cussing isn't removed from the re-issues.

These are from the members of Daizenshuu EX who contributed these in random threads.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:43 pm

Tyro wrote:Dragonball, Volume 6 - Goku's nick name for #8 is changed from "Ha-Chan" (Little Eight) to "8-Man".

That's not really a change, but a translation. It's not that different from somebody saying Lord Frieza rather than Frieza-sama.

Kanzenshuu

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