"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

I don't particularly want Black ripping off Goku's arm and blood gushing out uncontrollably, but at least a gut punch leading to a vomit or two would be better, like we got with Vegeta in #56 (of course, that was a stab, but you get the point).

A mere gut punch shouldn't make you cough up blood unless organs are damaged. Since that isn't the case most of the time, it's more realistic that a gut punch causes no vomit of blood.

[HeroR]

Resurrection "F" and U6 arc were both written and chalked up solely by Toriyama. Both these arcs were met with a mixed response by fans.

BoG and Black arc. Based from Toei and Toriyama worked off that. Both met pretty positively by fans.

I am sensing a pattern here...

They're only mixed among hardcore fans. Reserrection 'F' was a bigger success than BOG, got the same to higher ratings among critics, and is overall seen as a superior sequel. BOG is overall seen as a good movie, but boring and slow because of the lack of action and threat from Beerus.

The Champa Saga is overall seen as the break through arc for Super and when the series came into its own.

[Avok]

In what regard do those people put RoF above BoG?

The Champa arc is seen as the starting point just because it's brand new content, not because its quality or anything.

[kinisking]

In what regard do those people put RoF above BoG?

The Champa arc is seen as the starting point just because it's brand new content, not because its quality or anything.

Eh, I'm pretty sure a lot of people would say the champa arc was much better than the retellings.

I bet people only like ROF better because it had more fighting, but honestly it's trash compared to BOG.

[Nekis13]

I for one loved the Champa Arc, I guess you could say it showed what Super is really made of.

[dbs fanboy]

I for one loved the Champa Arc, I guess you could say it showed what Super is really made of.

For me the Champa arc is literally a step in the good direction

[alakazam^]

Eh, I'm pretty sure a lot of people would say the champa arc was much better than the retellings.

I bet people only like ROF better because it had more fighting, but honestly it's trash compared to BOG.

If they liked it better, then they liked it better.

We know for a fact it was more successful than Kami to Kami so all this F bashing like it was fact the movie was bad makes no sense.

[kinisking]

Eh, I'm pretty sure a lot of people would say the champa arc was much better than the retellings.

I bet people only like ROF better because it had more fighting, but honestly it's trash compared to BOG.

If they liked it better, then they liked it better.

We know for a fact it was more successful than Kami to Kami so all this F bashing like it was fact the movie was bad makes no sense.

Freeza returning, and more fight scenes? Of course it was more successful. I doubt many people that watched both will say that F was better from a writing perspective.

[PMD]

Agree. I think BoG and RoF are dignified sequels, but 'U6vU7 Tournament' arc is the true beginning of Dragon Ball Super for me. It was what Toriyama previewed in that statement a couple of years ago.

For me the Champa arc is literally a step in the good direction

dbs fanboy, your avatar is the entire Shida cut. I want to be like you when I grow up.

[HeroR]

In what regard do those people put RoF above BoG?

The Champa arc is seen as the starting point just because it's brand new content, not because its quality or anything.

Eh, I'm pretty sure a lot of people would say the champa arc was much better than the retellings.

I bet people only like ROF better because it had more fighting, but honestly it's trash compared to BOG.

What are opinions.

Does it disgusts people so much that people like Reserrection 'F' more than BOG. Here are the reasons are heard why fans prefer one over the other:

- More action

- Side characters actually do something other than talk or take up space

- Freeza, a fan favorite villain returns and he's a threatening villain unlike Beerus

- Little to no Pilaf Gang

- They like the humor more


BOG is only seen as a sacred cow here. Most see it as a good movie, but it's slow, Beerus isn't seen as a real threat, and the fight sequences are short.

[alakazam^]

Freeza returning, and more fight scenes? Of course it was more successful. I doubt many people that watched both will say that F was better from a writing perspective.

But those are just opinions, none of them being better than the other. The problem is when people have the premise that F was bad, which isn't true at all.

[dbs fanboy]

dbs fanboy, your avatar is the entire Shida cut. I want to be like you when I grow up.

Honestly i wasn't the first to get that avatar

[HeroR]

Eh, I'm pretty sure a lot of people would say the champa arc was much better than the retellings.

I bet people only like ROF better because it had more fighting, but honestly it's trash compared to BOG.

If they liked it better, then they liked it better.

We know for a fact it was more successful than Kami to Kami so all this F bashing like it was fact the movie was bad makes no sense.

Freeza returning, and more fight scenes? Of course it was more successful. I doubt many people that watched both will say that F was better from a writing perspective.

Many critics saw both movies. The general criticism of BOG was that was slow and boring. They wanted Z, not Dragon Ball. They didn't give two craps about lore building, which is something most hardcore fans of any franchise cares about.

Overall, Reserrection 'F' is considered the superior movie since it took what critics did like about BOG and put the action that Z is known for.

So the whole mix reviews statement is only really true here. Everywhere else I've been and the general reviews puts Resurrection 'F' equal to above BOG. Disagree or not, but those are the facts.

[nite_jay]

dbs fanboy, your avatar is the entire Shida cut. I want to be like you when I grow up.

Honestly i wasn't the first to get that avatar

I'm just stopping by to get my quick moment of shine of being first.

[kinisking]

If they liked it better, then they liked it better.

We know for a fact it was more successful than Kami to Kami so all this F bashing like it was fact the movie was bad makes no sense.

Freeza returning, and more fight scenes? Of course it was more successful. I doubt many people that watched both will say that F was better from a writing perspective.

Many critics saw both movies. The general criticism of BOG was that was slow and boring. They wanted Z, not Dragon Ball. They didn't give two craps about lore building, which is something most hardcore fans of any franchise cares about.

Overall, Reserrection 'F' is considered the superior movie since it took what critics did like about BOG and put the action that Z is known for.

So the whole mix reviews statement is only really true here. Everywhere else I've been and the general reviews puts Resurrection 'F' equal to above BOG. Disagree or not, but those are the facts.

Reread my comment. You're taking into account the fights, which isn't what I said. I said from a Writing perspective. Who honestly thinks that ROF is better written? Especially if they know the series.

But those are just opinions, none of them being better than the other. The problem is when people have the premise that F was bad, which isn't true at all.

Sorry, I find it ridiculous to bring up opinions. Well, of course it's opinions. If someone finds something bad or good, it's an opinion! I could say the problem is when people have the premise that F was good, which isn't true at all.

[Nejishiki]

I'm not sure what's compelling me to answer, because it feels like this might become a back and forth that goes nowhere. In defense of Battle of Gods, however, it was beloved because it exemplified character. It was a neat story that supported the ending of Dragon Ball and expanded the world in a significant way. It explored the characters, especially Goku, quite well and sang the theme the series always praised loudly. The action and story were well paced with each other; Every scene had purpose fitting the narrative it wanted to tell. It was built with care and a sense of future. It truly felt like a love letter to the fans. My only criticism is the method for Super Saiyan God, but the motive behind it was the important force. Its brevity was well executed. Resurrection F is definitely the more entertaining film. I'm not stealing that right away from us. I enjoyed the development we received from its story, as lacking as it was. Yet when it comes to lasting impressions, it didn't seem like a tale that needed to be recounted. I don't know, I felt like the former was receiving a bad wrap. It's not like those who prefer it only do so because we frequent "The Kanzenshuu". It had the balance of both worlds and that's a respectable direction to take.

[Anime Kitten]

A mere gut punch shouldn't make you cough up blood unless organs are damaged. Since that isn't the case most of the time, it's more realistic that a gut punch causes no vomit of blood.

I wasn't referring to a "mere" gut punch.

[dbzfan7]

Eh I can't really talk about the reception. Though Kei posted on twitter about fan reception during it's run. I saved the post, but I can't see it since his account is now protected.
https://twitter.com/M1120A/status/607278010987745280

For me at least F is a big piece of shit, and has a story that's a big waste of time. Thank whoever during the Super manga's serialization decided to just skip over that piece of shit, and just cut right to the Universe 6 arc. The most ingenious decision of the manga bar none.

[nite_jay]

Rof took a lot of the future BoG had set up away imo. It was an ok movie, but it 1) Introduced a new form way too early, (without explaining it nonetheless) 2) Made a villain who is child's play become absurdly strong in 4 monthes 3) Nerfed one of the strongest characters a little more than needed 4) Gave Whis a random OP ability 5) Made the god form power and power scaling in general unnecessarily confusing. BoG left off with so much potential, but RoF wasted a lot of it imo. I'd rather have just had the tournament right after BoG.

[Doctor.]

Eh I can't really talk about the reception. Though Kei posted on twitter about fan reception during it's run. I saved the post, but I can't see it since his account is now protected.
https://twitter.com/M1120A/status/607278010987745280

For me at least F is a big piece of shit, and has a story that's a big waste of time. Thank whoever during the Super manga's serialization decided to just skip over that piece of shit, and just cut right to the Universe 6 arc. The most ingenious decision of the manga bar none.

Probably the best decision of the entire franchise.

Though it'd be funny to think if F never aired and the anime did the same thing, how the fans would react. "Goku and Vegeta achieved a new form after fighting Golden Freeza", the narrator says. "What form? Freeza came back? What?"