Edits to Viz manga - volumes 21 and 26?

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:04 pm

TheJoo87 wrote: I hate Viz. They're just assholes in my mind not caring about fans. They could just as easily release a pure unraped version and a crappy one.

I think with Viz, you have different translators & adaptors , so it's hard to live up to fans' expectations & what not cause of dealing with not only SJ properties, but a bunch of other titles as well. With Viz it's usually a hit or miss, depending on the translator &/or adaptor, or "assholes" as you may say.

wannywan · Post by **wannywan** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:04 pm

Tyro wrote:tankobon #31 / Dragonball Z, Volume 15 - #16‘s move "Hell Flash" is changed to "Inferno Blast". Also, a title page in which various members of the Dragon Team flipping Cell off is altered to them "clenching their fists angrily". At this point in the series, cussing seems to stop entirely, whereas "Bastard" "Ass" "Damn" and "Hell" were all used frequently before.

I've always wondered why they all just stood there almost 'shaking' their fists at him in a kind of "Why I oughta!" kind of way!

Makes sense now.

Lavender Saiyan · Post by **Lavender Saiyan** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:34 pm

Damn, edits just piss me off. Companies have to stop worrying about parents reactions. American parents need to do some damn parenting as opposed to blaming things like Manga for the downfall of America's youth.

Kula · Post by **Kula** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:40 pm

So kids are allowed to see Babidi get his head sliced off, Yamcha get a hole punched through him, and Freeza get cut in half, but they're not allowed to see a middle finger or innocent nudity?

I can *almost* understand the gun edits because kids can possibly have access to them (at least in the U.S.). Perhaps if parents actually did their jobs properly and weren't so quick to bitch about a damn comic book, we wouldn't have all these pointless edits.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:50 pm

Kula wrote:So kids are allowed to see Babidi get his head sliced off, Yamcha get a hole punched through him, and Freeza get cut in half, but they're not allowed to see a middle finger or innocent nudity?

Or the fact the keep the cursing from the old volumes in the re-issues... Don't you just love logic?

TriforceCaptre · Post by **TriforceCaptre** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:58 pm

SonGokuGT wrote:
Kula wrote:So kids are allowed to see Babidi get his head sliced off, Yamcha get a hole punched through him, and Freeza get cut in half, but they're not allowed to see a middle finger or innocent nudity?
Or the fact the keep the cursing from the old volumes in the re-issues... Don't you just love logic?

Or that in Volume 1 they leave Goku's junk in, but in Volume 2 they edit out the Black rabbit guys lips. I guess little boy penis is okay but heaven forbid anyone see a "stereotype".

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:38 pm

TriforceCaptre wrote:
SonGokuGT wrote:
Kula wrote:So kids are allowed to see Babidi get his head sliced off, Yamcha get a hole punched through him, and Freeza get cut in half, but they're not allowed to see a middle finger or innocent nudity?
Or the fact the keep the cursing from the old volumes in the re-issues... Don't you just love logic?
Or that in Volume 1 they leave Goku's junk in, but in Volume 2 they edit out the Black rabbit guys lips. I guess little boy penis is okay but heaven forbid anyone see a "stereotype".

Speaking of junk: Having Goku's penis shown in DB and Gohan's removed in DBZ...

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:41 pm

Viz' manga edits are also only in some of the SJ line and Zatch Bell. They didn't add bras to girl Ranma and in Maisson Ikkoku, they left in a couple knocking boots.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:36 pm

True story: I found out that my library has manga that you can take out. The first book that I saw was DragonBall vol. 4. So I picked it up, read through it and got up to Namu's fight against that woman. As you know, he is about to hit her and she pretends that she's afraid and lands a few cheap shots. Namu gets serious and hits her, ending the match.

Something missing? Yeah! Unless I'm going crazy, they removed the pages where the woman is stripping (they actually ripped out two pages). The moral of this story is that the edits can be much worse and no, I wasn't looking forward to that scene in particular..

-Rick

TheJoo87 · Post by **TheJoo87** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:49 pm

Sebastian (SB) wrote:
TheJoo87 wrote: I hate Viz. They're just assholes in my mind not caring about fans. They could just as easily release a pure unraped version and a crappy one.
I think with Viz, you have different translators & adaptors , so it's hard to live up to fans' expectations & what not cause of dealing with not only SJ properties, but a bunch of other titles as well. With Viz it's usually a hit or miss, depending on the translator &/or adaptor, or "assholes" as you may say.

It was pretty much a miss appearently. Viz has the ability to release an unedited version yet they refuse to. Not a very good way to appeal to fans. So yes they're pretty much being assholes about it. They see the potential the younger audience has for the series and they edit it for more money. Its not the fact that they edit it that pisses me off its the fact that they don't give an unedited version. I don't want to sound mean about it but basically Viz is now saying fuck the fans, so I say fuck them.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:56 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:True story: I found out that my library has manga that you can take out. The first book that I saw was DragonBall vol. 4. So I picked it up, read through it and got up to Namu's fight against that woman. As you know, he is about to hit her and she pretends that she's afraid and lands a few cheap shots. Namu gets serious and hits her, ending the match.

Something missing? Yeah! Unless I'm going crazy, they removed the pages where the woman is stripping (they actually ripped out two pages). The moral of this story is that the edits can be much worse and no, I wasn't looking forward to that scene in particular..
-Rick

My library hsa those pages in it - and in the kids section too.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:10 pm

There might actaully be more Viz edits in rereleases then we think. For instance, in the reprint of volume one of Dragon Ball, they change Bulma's use of the word "panties" to "undies". So it's imoral to say panties, but showing a girl's naked ass is okay? I don't know about other volumes, because it's the only one I have both versions of.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:02 am

This thread is making me really hate my two volumes of manga I just bought.

Why must every release of anything Dragonball ever have to fucked up in some ridiculous way that just seems to make no sense?? Or something like that... I'm tired...

Payne222 · Post by **Payne222** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:58 am

Haha, RAW Kanzenban of Dragonball + good scanlators = non half-assed Dragonball manga release! I kinda know Japanese and have the Kanzenban... (^_~)
*hides from Mike before he annihilates me...*

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:32 am

nathantheguitarist wrote:This thread is making me really hate my two volumes of manga I just bought.

Why must every release of anything Dragonball ever have to fucked up in some ridiculous way that just seems to make no sense?? Or something like that... I'm tired...

Which ones did you get? Besides, if you got the earlier bigger ones with the 13up label on it, they're ok. The changes are so minor, if you never saw the Japanese versions, you'd never know. Besides, some of them are just minor translation differences that some people disagree on.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:56 am

I got Volume 1 for both Dragonball and Dragonball Z. And they're the latest releases, with the "White Box" logo's on the spine.

It was a Barnes and Noble, the first one I've seen since some time last summer, and I saw the manga section and just completely forgot the whole spine logo issue. I don't think they had the bigger volumes though; I guess those would be too old?

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:26 am

nathantheguitarist wrote:Viz Manga: Art of the Doppleganger
US Anime (From the only English episode I've seen): Shadow Clone Jutsu
Japanese Anime: Kage-Bunshin no Jutsu
Weird it all is... Viz is a funny one.

I think the "half-translation" is the weird one...

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:00 am

nathantheguitarist wrote:This thread is making me really hate my two volumes of manga I just bought.

Why must every release of anything Dragonball ever have to fucked up in some ridiculous way that just seems to make no sense?? Or something like that... I'm tired...

The only way for you to win is to be completely fluent in Japanese, own the dragonboxes, and both the tankoubon and the Kanzenban, or be Akira Toriyama himself..

What are wrong with your releases again? The Barnes and Noble near me have the unedited versions..I think.
-Rick

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:53 am

I forgot to mention in my last post, they also put bubbles while Bulma's in the shower to cover up Bulma's "naughty parts".

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:35 am

Taku128 wrote:I forgot to mention in my last post, they also put bubbles while Bulma's in the shower to cover up Bulma's "naughty parts".

If you're referring to her frontal parts, that's covered unedited too.

Kanzenshuu

Edits to Viz manga - volumes 21 and 26?

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