"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Looks like Tomioka is going to write the majority of the arc. I was expecting King Ryuu to do at least 1 ep. Hopefully he will later on.

- Travis

[namekiansaiyan]

This arc seems to be turning into a complete mess with too much stopping then starting.

[dbs fanboy]

I really doubt Zamasu is dead unless he didn't wish for inmortality and Beerus destroyed his body. I mean, think about it, suddenly they're spoiling a major character's death, sound suspicious, it's exactly like how it was implyed that Zamasu was Black and they ended up being different characters.

Also because the way it happens, it sounds too easy, i mean, if Zamasu didn't use the Super Dragon balls then yeah it would be clear for me, but as he used them..........

Also lets think about the mistake that Beerus might have done if Zamasu was really dead. Gowasu was murdered by Zamasu, as Zamasu probably took his earings, he probably became a Kaioshin, but when Beerus killed him, he ended up killing the god of destruction of universe 10 as well, if Zeno ends up knowing this...........
The god of destruction of U7 suddenly murder The Kaioshin and god of destruction of another universe, Beerus might be in trouble.

Remember that in this arc more gods would be involved and even Zeno himself according to what Toriyama spoiled.

[MajinMan]

Maybe the summary meant the future of the current timeline? Who knows. Besides, the episode airs like 3 weeks later. Let's not jump the gun by calling it a "plothole."

[HeroR]

I really doubt Zamasu is dead unless he didn't wish for inmortality and Beerus destroyed his body. I mean, think about it, suddenly they're spoiling a major character's death, sound suspicious, it's exactly like how it was implyed that Zamasu was Black and they ended up being different characters.

Also because the way it happens, it sounds too easy, i mean, if Zamasu didn't use the Super Dragon balls then yeah it would be clear for me, but as he used them..........

Also lets think about the mistake that Beerus might have done if Zamasu was really dead. Gowasu was murdered by Zamasu, as Zamasu probably took his earings, he probably became a Kaioshin, but when Beerus killed him, he ended up killing the god of destruction of universe 10 as well, if Zeno ends up knowing this...........
The god of destruction of U7 suddenly murder The Kaioshin and god of destruction of another universe, Beerus might be in trouble.

Remember than in this arc more gods would be involved and even Zeno himself according to what Toriyama spoiled.

That is assuming that Gowasu is only the only Supreme Kai. Remember U7 had five, but all but one was wiped out by Buu.

[Cipher]

For everything else this arc is doing, I do love that in large part it's managed to be a weird whodunnit pulling in more and more high gods. I don't think that's something any of us could have predicted at the start.

[vilker]

Oh God, "Trunks feels uneasy"...of course you idiot! You of all people should know very well that's not how timelines work! I know I'm overreacting here but I was very concerned about this important detail. I really hope they didn't completely forget about it.

I don't think Present Zamasu is really dead. That'd be such a waste. He might have already achieved immortality and faked his death or something...or at least that's what I hope.

If present Zamasu it's future Zamasu, yes feels uneasy makes sense. If Zamasu is trully dead in present, never will be able to travel to the future and never could meet Black and defeat Trunks, Vegeta and Goku.

[dbs fanboy]

I really doubt Zamasu is dead unless he didn't wish for inmortality and Beerus destroyed his body. I mean, think about it, suddenly they're spoiling a major character's death, sound suspicious, it's exactly like how it was implyed that Zamasu was Black and they ended up being different characters.

Also because the way it happens, it sounds too easy, i mean, if Zamasu didn't use the Super Dragon balls then yeah it would be clear for me, but as he used them..........

Also lets think about the mistake that Beerus might have done if Zamasu was really dead. Gowasu was murdered by Zamasu, as Zamasu probably took his earings, he probably became a Kaioshin, but when Beerus killed him, he ended up killing the god of destruction of universe 10 as well, if Zeno ends up knowing this...........
The god of destruction of U7 suddenly murder The Kaioshin and god of destruction of another universe, Beerus might be in trouble.

Remember than in this arc more gods would be involved and even Zeno himself according to what Toriyama spoiled.

That is assuming that Gowasu is only the only Supreme Kai. Remember U7 had five, but all but one was wiped out by Buu.

True, but who knows?

[HeroR]

Oh God, "Trunks feels uneasy"...of course you idiot! You of all people should know very well that's not how timelines work! I know I'm overreacting here but I was very concerned about this important detail. I really hope they didn't completely forget about it.

I don't think Present Zamasu is really dead. That'd be such a waste. He might have already achieved immortality and faked his death or something...or at least that's what I hope.

If present Zamasu it's future Zamasu, yes feels uneasy makes sense. If Zamasu is trully dead in present, never will be able to travel to the future and never could meet Black and defeat Trunks, Vegeta and Goku.

This.

Future Zamaus can't be native to Trunks' time. He knew who Goku was and wanted to personally to kill him for insulting and fighting the gods. That encounter couldn't have happened in Trunks' timeline since the only reason why Goku came to Zamasu was to see if he was Black and Goku in that time is long dead. Zamasu also only learned about the Super Dragon Ball because of the tournament between U6 and U7, something that only happened because Beerus has a prophecy about fighting a Super Saiyan God and making friends with Goku.

In other words, the events that made Zamasu evil doesn't exist in the future timeline. And even if it was predestined for him to turn against mortals, he shouldn't have a personal grudge against Goku.

Beerus probably assumed he broke the link so Zamasu from the present couldn't travel to Trunks' time, therefore stopping Future Zamasu in his tracks. However, that doesn't seems to be the case at all. Especially if Zamaus made a wish on the Super Dragon Balls, what did he wish for that wasn't immortality.

[Ajay]

Let's face only Z fanboys think F is better than BoG cause of "muh action" and "muh dark tone"

This is not an appropriate response.

If you ever find yourself making generalisations that include the word "fanboy", then you should probably reconsider what you're about to post.

Disagreeing with people is fine. Replying with a total lack of respect is not. Please rereview the forum rules.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

This arc seems to be turning into a complete mess with too much stopping then starting.

Mess isn't the right word, I'd say hurting momentum would be better choice of words but they're only stopping for two episodes this time as opposed to taking forever last time and there doesn't look like were going to get fluff like last time seems these two episodes will be dedicated to furthering Zamasu's development.

[HeroR]

This arc seems to be turning into a complete mess with too much stopping then starting.

Mess isn't the right word, I'd say hurting momentum would be better choice of words but they're only stopping for two episodes this time as opposed to taking forever last time and there doesn't look like were going to get fluff like last time seems these two episodes will be dedicated to furthering Zamasu's development.

It also makes no sense to complain about the pacing of episodes that no one hasn't even seen yet.

[jjgp1112]

It's clear to me that Zamasu and Black in Trunks' timeline actually come from an entirely seperate timeline themselves.

I believe that the rules of the time ring are that you can only travel between the future and your present timeline. Actually traveling in time is what creates seperate timelines and time rings. So what I'm thinking is that the Zamasu who goes to Trunks' timeline is from the not-so-distant future of the main timeline...but since Trunks' timeline and the present timeline are inextricably linked by the time ring, the timeline this "Future" Zamasu travels to with the ring is Trunks'. It's a little confusing but I think this makes sense. It's kind of an odd paradox.

[Lujin_16]

I have a felling that Beerus will die in this arc

[HeroR]

It's clear to me that Zamasu and Black in Trunks' timeline actually come from an entirely seperate timeline themselves.

I believe that the rules of the time ring are that you can only travel between the future and your present timeline. Actually traveling in time is what creates seperate timelines. So what I'm thinking is that the Zamasu who goes to Trunks' timeline is from a less distant future of the main timeline...but since Trunks' timeline and the present timeline are inextricably linked, the timeline this "Future" Zamasu travels to with the ring is his. It's a little confusing but I think this makes sense. It's kind of an odd paradox.

Not true. You can travel to alternative timelines thought the green Time Rings. Also, Black's ring specifically is silver. And traveling to the past creates separate timelines, not time travel itself.

[jjgp1112]

It's clear to me that Zamasu and Black in Trunks' timeline actually come from an entirely seperate timeline themselves.

I believe that the rules of the time ring are that you can only travel between the future and your present timeline. Actually traveling in time is what creates seperate timelines. So what I'm thinking is that the Zamasu who goes to Trunks' timeline is from a less distant future of the main timeline...but since Trunks' timeline and the present timeline are inextricably linked, the timeline this "Future" Zamasu travels to with the ring is his. It's a little confusing but I think this makes sense. It's kind of an odd paradox.

Not true. You can travel to alternative timelines thought the green Time Rings. Also, Black's ring specifically is silver. And traveling to the past creates separate timelines, not time travel itself.

So in that case, maybe the Silver Ring is a "universal key" that allows a user to travel to any timeline? And I thought the time ring only allows you to go the past when somebody else does it through different means, like the time machine.

Somebody in another thread theorized that all of the zipping and zapping through time by Black has created a casual time loop where the only reason Black exists is because he travels to the past and fights Goku, triggering Goku to meet and fight Zamasu, triggering Zamasu to go crazy and create Black, who travels to Trunks' time with the silver ring! That's why Time travel is so strange in fiction.

[HeroR]

It's clear to me that Zamasu and Black in Trunks' timeline actually come from an entirely seperate timeline themselves.

I believe that the rules of the time ring are that you can only travel between the future and your present timeline. Actually traveling in time is what creates seperate timelines. So what I'm thinking is that the Zamasu who goes to Trunks' timeline is from a less distant future of the main timeline...but since Trunks' timeline and the present timeline are inextricably linked, the timeline this "Future" Zamasu travels to with the ring is his. It's a little confusing but I think this makes sense. It's kind of an odd paradox.

Not true. You can travel to alternative timelines through the green Time Rings. Also, Black's ring specifically is silver. And traveling to the past creates separate timelines, not time travel itself.

So in that case, maybe the Silver Ring is a "universal key" that allows a user to travel to any timeline?

That isn't how Gowasu explained it. Most likely, the silver Time Ring is the 'main timeline' ring, while the green ones let you travel to alternative timelines. If the silver one was an universal key, I wouldn't see why they even have the green Time Rings.

[vilker]

It's clear to me that Zamasu and Black in Trunks' timeline actually come from an entirely seperate timeline themselves.

I believe that the rules of the time ring are that you can only travel between the future and your present timeline. Actually traveling in time is what creates seperate timelines. So what I'm thinking is that the Zamasu who goes to Trunks' timeline is from a less distant future of the main timeline...but since Trunks' timeline and the present timeline are inextricably linked, the timeline this "Future" Zamasu travels to with the ring is his. It's a little confusing but I think this makes sense. It's kind of an odd paradox.

Not true. You can travel to alternative timelines thought the green Time Rings. Also, Black's ring specifically is silver. And traveling to the past creates separate timelines, not time travel itself.

What if Zamasu came from another timeline with green ring and then in Trunks timeline stole the silver ring.

And what if Zamasu went to Trunks timeline with all the rings in the pocket, He has 2 silver rings and 8 green rings

[LightBing]

Is it just me or isn't it really obvious that Black is Zamasu "ghost", they have the same eyes. We don't know how immortality works in Mr.Toriyama head, it might be a Voldemort type of deal. "Ghost" just goes to where there's a Goku body to possess.

It appears the opportunity for plot holes is being set. We have to wait and see. I'm hopeful it's all Gods magic that will make everything work, still Trunks not understanding how timelines works is pretty serious, it would make the Android Arc a plot hole. Maybe it's just a void tagline to incur drama, I'm pretty sure we had one of those before.

RIP Gowasu (Ep53 - Ep60), you should have see it coming.

[jjgp1112]

Not true. You can travel to alternative timelines through the green Time Rings. Also, Black's ring specifically is silver. And traveling to the past creates separate timelines, not time travel itself.

So in that case, maybe the Silver Ring is a "universal key" that allows a user to travel to any timeline?

That isn't how Gowasu explained it. Most likely, the silver Time Ring is the 'main timeline' ring, while the green ones let you travel to alternative timelines. If the silver one was an universal key, I wouldn't see why they even have the green Time Rings.

Ah yeah, that makes sense. So I guess vilker's first theory would ring true then (I swear that pun wasn't intended), as opposed to the universal key stuff.