"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[alakazam^]

still Trunks not understanding how timelines works is pretty serious, it would make the Android Arc a plot hole. Maybe it's just a void tagline to incur drama, I'm pretty sure we had one of those before.

The time rings don't work like Trunks' time machine so probably killing present Zamasu would be the actual key to stop his future self from rampaging. Remember that Beers and Whis are more knowledgeable about that than Trunks.

I wonder if he actually gets to use the Super Dragon Balls. I mean, in one episode, he's asking Zunou about them, the next one has Beers and co going to Universe 10 and the next one has Beers destroying him. There doesn't seem to be enough time for him to collect all of them between Universes and summoning Super Shenlong without anyone noticing.

[HeroR]

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What if Zamasu came from another timeline with green ring and then in Trunks timeline stole the silver ring.

And what if Zamasu went to Trunks timeline with all the rings in the pocket, He has 2 silver rings and 8 green rings

Trunks couldn't use the Time Ring even if he stole it. He doesn't have a Kai's earring.

still Trunks not understanding how timelines works is pretty serious, it would make the Android Arc a plot hole. Maybe it's just a void tagline to incur drama, I'm pretty sure we had one of those before.

The time rings don't work like Trunks' time machine so probably killing present Zamasu would be the actual key to stop his future self from rampaging. Remember that Beers and Whis are more knowledgeable about that than Trunks.

I wonder if he actually gets to use the Super Dragon Balls. I mean, in one episode, he's asking Zunou about them, the next one has Beers and co going to Universe 10 and the next one has Beers destroying him. There doesn't seem to be enough time for him to collect all of them between Universes and summoning Super Shenlong without anyone noticing.

Why would he confront Gawasu before he makes his wish?

Is it just me or isn't it really obvious that Black is Zamasu "ghost", they have the same eyes. We don't know how immortality works in Mr.Toriyama head, it might be a Voldemort type of deal. "Ghost" just goes to where there's a Goku body to possess.

It appears the opportunity for plot holes is being set. We have to wait and see. I'm hopeful it's all Gods magic that will make everything work, still Trunks not understanding how timelines works is pretty serious, it would make the Android Arc a plot hole. Maybe it's just a void tagline to incur drama, I'm pretty sure we had one of those before.

RIP Gowasu (Ep53 - Ep60), you should have see it coming.

Black and Zamasu only have the same type of eyes when Black is using Super Saiyan Rose. And we have seen how immorality works since Zamasu got stabbed and blasted twice and took no damaged. If Beerus vaporized him, he should pulled a Dr. Manhattan put himself back together. Black being Zamasu's ghost also makes no sense since Future Zamasu holds a grudged against Goku, while Black admires Goku.

And again, the time travel Trunks did is different from Zamasu. Trunks went to from the future to the past and changed events. Zamasu seemingly went from the past to the future, which isn't the same thing even going by the explanation given by Whis, Beerus, and Gawasu.

[jjgp1112]

Vilker wasn't suggesting that Trunks uses the time ring, only that Zamasu steals the time ring from his timeline.

Also, Black doesn't really "admire" Goku as much as he obsesses over him as an opponent. He views Saiyans as scum after all. At the very least, he seems to be linked to Zamasu's grudge against Goku, which exacerbates his views on mortals and particularly Saiyans who would brazenly challenge him to a fight. The "spirit" of Goku Black is made in Zamasu's image.

[Chiki]

Guys, can you stop jumping to conclusions?

1. Trunks might be going to the future alone just to check up on Zamasu. So there's no problems with pacing.
2. Present Zamasu probably won't die from Beerus attacking him.
3. The reason Trunks thinks the future will be safe is probably because he thinks Present Zamasu is the one going to the future. He probably doesn't realize there are two Zamasus.

[HeroR]

Vilker wasn't suggesting that Trunks uses the time ring, only that Zamasu steals the time ring from his timeline.

Also, Black doesn't really "admire" Goku as much as he obsesses over him as an opponent. He views Saiyans as scum after all. At the very least, he seems to be linked to Zamasu's grudge against Goku, which exacerbates his views on mortals and particularly Saiyans who would brazenly challenge him to a fight. The "spirit" of Goku Black is made in Zamasu's image.

He calls him the strongest of the warrior race and the bar he spent his entire life trying to surpass. He does admire Goku, otherwise why would he say that his entire life is devoted to surpassing Goku and learning everything about him? Black also shows no grudged against Goku. Zamasu lost his shit when he saw Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, while Black complimented Vegeta for coming this far. Even when he tried to kill Goku, he said it was 'this body' desire, not his.

Other than hating mortals, Black carries almost none of Zamasu's characteristics.

[dbs fanboy]

I have a felling that Beerus will die in this arc

Me too, i can see Zamasu killing Beerus after what happens in ep 59

[Draconic]

I have a felling that Beerus will die in this arc

Me too, i can see Zamasu killing Beerus after what happens in ep 59

I don't see Zamasu being strong enough to kill Beerus even as immortal as he is. Kaioshin on the other hand...

[THEGOKU]

I have a felling that Beerus will die in this arc

Me too, i can see Zamasu killing Beerus after what happens in ep 59

I don't see Zamasu being strong enough to kill Beerus even as immortal as he is. Kaioshin on the other hand...

Even if he was I don't think right now is the arc to kill Beerus or Whis if that is to even happen. There is already a lot going on in this arc and that would kind of be too much all at once I think. I would like to at least see them in a fight having to actually go all out or even struggling.

[LightBing]

still Trunks not understanding how timelines works is pretty serious, it would make the Android Arc a plot hole. Maybe it's just a void tagline to incur drama, I'm pretty sure we had one of those before.

The time rings don't work like Trunks' time machine so probably killing present Zamasu would be the actual key to stop his future self from rampaging. Remember that Beers and Whis are more knowledgeable about that than Trunks.

I wonder if he actually gets to use the Super Dragon Balls. I mean, in one episode, he's asking Zunou about them, the next one has Beers and co going to Universe 10 and the next one has Beers destroying him. There doesn't seem to be enough time for him to collect all of them between Universes and summoning Super Shenlong without anyone noticing.

So the assumption is that because Future Zamasu went to the future with a time ring, him dying in any timeline affects all of them?

Black and Zamasu only have the same type of eyes when Black is using Super Saiyan Rose. And we have seen how immorality works since Zamasu got stabbed and blasted twice and took no damaged. If Beerus vaporized him, he should pulled a Dr. Manhattan put himself back together. Black being Zamasu's ghost also makes no sense since Future Zamasu holds a grudged against Goku, while Black admires Goku.

And again, the time travel Trunks did is different from Zamasu. Trunks went to from the future to the past and changed events. Zamasu seemingly went from the past to the future, which isn't the same thing even going by the explanation given by Whis, Beerus, and Gawasu.

Isn't Rosé supposed to be Black's blue version? If so the God Ki might "reveal" his identity ever so slightly, just a theory. We don't know how it works if one's body is completely destroyed. It might work like you said but we can't know for sure.


With Gowasu dead, Universe 10 Hakaishin should follow suit. Certainly Zeno-chan will take notice of this, right? I would enjoy getting a glimpse at the Hakaishin dying, just to see him and see in more detail how the God link works.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

still Trunks not understanding how timelines works is pretty serious, it would make the Android Arc a plot hole. Maybe it's just a void tagline to incur drama, I'm pretty sure we had one of those before.

The time rings don't work like Trunks' time machine so probably killing present Zamasu would be the actual key to stop his future self from rampaging. Remember that Beers and Whis are more knowledgeable about that than Trunks.

I wonder if he actually gets to use the Super Dragon Balls. I mean, in one episode, he's asking Zunou about them, the next one has Beers and co going to Universe 10 and the next one has Beers destroying him. There doesn't seem to be enough time for him to collect all of them between Universes and summoning Super Shenlong without anyone noticing.

So the assumption is that because Future Zamasu went to the future with a time ring, him dying in any timeline affects all of them?

Black and Zamasu only have the same type of eyes when Black is using Super Saiyan Rose. And we have seen how immorality works since Zamasu got stabbed and blasted twice and took no damaged. If Beerus vaporized him, he should pulled a Dr. Manhattan put himself back together. Black being Zamasu's ghost also makes no sense since Future Zamasu holds a grudged against Goku, while Black admires Goku.

And again, the time travel Trunks did is different from Zamasu. Trunks went to from the future to the past and changed events. Zamasu seemingly went from the past to the future, which isn't the same thing even going by the explanation given by Whis, Beerus, and Gawasu.

Isn't Rosé supposed to be Black's blue version? If so the God Ki might "reveal" his identity ever so slightly, just a theory. We don't know how it works if one's body is completely destroyed. It might work like you said but we can't know for sure.


With Gowasu dead, Universe 10 Hakaishin should follow suit. Certainly Zeno-chan will take notice of this, right? I would enjoy getting a glimpse at the Hakaishin dying, just to see him and see in more detail how the God link works.

No he would not, because Zeno is not omniscient. Remember he was just tricked by Goku and needed confirmation from Whis and Vados on Champa and Beerus were doing there job or not.

Also the Universe 10 Hakaishin has no reason to get involved because nobody has even contacted to tell him on what is going on. People seem to be forgetting this.

[PMD]

If it's true that Bills kills (it says "destroys", so probably not) present Zamas, then the cut from the opening makes even more sense now:



Present Zamas "falling" (dying?) and Future Zamas "standing" (alive).

Well, let's not jump into conclussions or overreact with this info. The more probable outcome is that Bills wipe everything around Zamas and blow him up and then leaves for food, and Zamas regenerates after his departure.

Man, episode 60 it's going to be bananas, and with a new animation supervisor.

[HeroR]

So the assumption is that because Future Zamasu went to the future with a time ring, him dying in any timeline affects all of them?

Black and Zamasu only have the same type of eyes when Black is using Super Saiyan Rose. And we have seen how immorality works since Zamasu got stabbed and blasted twice and took no damaged. If Beerus vaporized him, he should pulled a Dr. Manhattan put himself back together. Black being Zamasu's ghost also makes no sense since Future Zamasu holds a grudged against Goku, while Black admires Goku.

And again, the time travel Trunks did is different from Zamasu. Trunks went to from the future to the past and changed events. Zamasu seemingly went from the past to the future, which isn't the same thing even going by the explanation given by Whis, Beerus, and Gawasu.

Isn't Rosé supposed to be Black's blue version? If so the God Ki might "reveal" his identity ever so slightly, just a theory. We don't know how it works if one's body is completely destroyed. It might work like you said but we can't know for sure.


With Gowasu dead, Universe 10 Hakaishin should follow suit. Certainly Zeno-chan will take notice of this, right? I would enjoy getting a glimpse at the Hakaishin dying, just to see him and see in more detail how the God link works.

We have no clue what Super Saiyan Rose is. It could be Black's version of Super Saiyan Blue, could be his own version of Super Saiyan God, it could be an advance god form that surpasses the other two. We don't know and anything at this point is just assumption. I don't think it's exclusive to Black though since he tells Goku to rejoice, he reached the height of beauty at his hands, implying that Goku could reach that form too.

And given that Zamasu took a blast that wasted Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, and didn't even blink tells me that Beerus shouldn't just blink him out of existence if he's an immortal.

Also, we don't know if Gowasu is the only Supreme Kai of U10. U7 had five Supreme Kais before Buu killed all but one of them.

[Lujin_16]

Me too, i can see Zamasu killing Beerus after what happens in ep 59

I don't see Zamasu being strong enough to kill Beerus even as immortal as he is. Kaioshin on the other hand...

Even if he was I don't think right now is the arc to kill Beerus or Whis if that is to even happen. There is already a lot going on in this arc and that would kind of be too much all at once I think. I would like to at least see them in a fight having to actually go all out or even struggling.

You know why i think this way?? Because if the kaioshin dies Beerus will die and Beerus is dead in the future but not Zamasu.. Black Goku knows Beerus but not Whis why??maybe Black/zamasu killed him

Beerus kills Zamasu in the present maybe this is not a good sign for Beerus i know it is strange but wee will

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Toriyama loves Beerus he won't die the same reason Goku and Vegeta won't.

The Kioshin and Beerus connection I think was made so that it explains Beerus's absence in the future.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Poor Gowasu, his dream of becoming a Godtuber will forever remain a dream now. Damn you Zamasu.

- Travis

[Lujin_16]

Toriyama loves Beerus he won't die the same reason Goku and Vegeta won't.

The Kioshin and Beerus connection I think was made so that it explains Beerus's absence in the future.

Or maybe a hint that he will die soon

[ArchedThunder]

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That is not how the timelines work. Killing Zamasu in the present does absolutely nothing for the future. We've known that since Multi-verse time travel was explained.

I think the implication is that the Zamasu in Trunks's timeline is the same one from ours, so the idea is to kill him before he goes to Trunks's timeline in the first place.

[FortuneSSJ]

I also don't think they had any reason to spoil the part Beerus killed Present Zamasu, but oh well...

Anyway if Present Zamasu is dead, it means people failed once again to predict Toriyama's writting and Present Zamasu didn't wish for immortality.
So good!!

[HeroR]

Toriyama loves Beerus he won't die the same reason Goku and Vegeta won't.

The Kioshin and Beerus connection I think was made so that it explains Beerus's absence in the future.

Toriyama loved Goku too and tried to kill him off. Piccolo is after his favorite and we see what happened to him. He likes Vegeta more than he used to, and let Freeza blow up the planet in his face. Being in Toriyama's good gracious doesn't mean he won't do terrible things to characters.

[Kanassa]

I love how even the characters realize that Gowasu has a death sign hanging over his head. Also, I could see Beerus getting killed, or at least mortally injured. This show has shown us how even stronger beings can be taken down with ease when their guard is dropped. Imagine, Beerus 'destroys' Zamasu and turns his back to what should be a corpse. But since Zamasu is immortal, he actually survives and uses this chance to Hand-ki blade Beerus in the back.