Goku and Piccolo vs Radditz

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Wed May 05, 2004 3:34 pm

This has always bothered me. If Piccolo hadnt created the Makankôsappô in time for Radditz's arrival, would he and Goku have been able to defeat him? Goku hadnt increased in strength much since his battle with Piccolo and it was clear that Radditz was a lot stronger than Piccolo, who had obviously been training those past 5 years. So I vote no, I have a feeling Radditz would have killed em both easily.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Wed May 05, 2004 3:57 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:This has always bothered me. If Piccolo hadnt created the Makankôsappô in time for Radditz's arrival, would he and Goku have been able to defeat him? Goku hadnt increased in strength much since his battle with Piccolo and it was clear that Radditz was a lot stronger than Piccolo, who had obviously been training those past 5 years. So I vote no, I have a feeling Radditz would have killed em both easily.

Radditz was about to kill Goku before Piccolo used Makankôsappô for the first time. Without Makankôsappô, I'd assume that Radditz would have finished Goku right then. Gohan probably would have attacked Radditz immediately afterwards and would have also been killed. Same for Piccolo.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed May 05, 2004 7:42 pm

The idea of a Super New Amazing Technique saving our heroes from dying it hardly unique to that, though.

Raditz would have won if Piccolo didn't have his StupidLongWord beam.
Vegeta would have won if Goku hadn't learnt Kaio-Ken/Genki Dama.
Freezer would have one if Goku hadn't transformed into a Super Saiyan.
Cell would have won if Gohan hadn't transformed to Super Saiyan 2.

(Hmm. They gradually move from SuperNewAttack to SuperNewPowerup.)

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Wed May 05, 2004 8:25 pm

Raditz would have won if Piccolo didn't have his StupidLongWord beam.
Vegeta would have won if Goku hadn't learnt Kaio-Ken/Genki Dama.
Freezer would have one if Goku hadn't transformed into a Super Saiyan.
Cell would have won if Gohan hadn't transformed to Super Saiyan 2.

(Hmm. They gradually move from SuperNewAttack to SuperNewPowerup.)

Probably because the super new power-up allows for more visually entertaining scenes as opposed to single scenes where the super new attack is used.

And thus, power levels begin to skyrocket out of control.

--EG

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:18 pm

It's true! Super power techniques took too long to use:
"You stall him for 12 minutes, m'kay?" = 1,330PL
"Ka....Me...Ha...(5 of those 12 minutes later)...Me...HA!!!" = 924 or 928 PL. To use them they needed to increase their PLs by tons, so 00ber power ups were introduced.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:28 pm

Yeah, but after awhile you really start missing new attacks. Goku learns the kamehameha ALLLLLL the way back at the begining, and it's pretty much the only attack he uses. Atleast Vegeta always came up with something original.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu May 06, 2004 1:27 am

Yes they just seemed to stop putting in new attacks as DBZ progressed. Vegita was the only one to develop new ones it seems. Except for Goku's "Ryu-ken" technique which was only featured in movie 13. Goodness knows why it wasn't in the Buu saga.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Thu May 06, 2004 2:14 am

Jerseymilk wrote:Yes they just seemed to stop putting in new attacks as DBZ progressed. Vegita was the only one to develop new ones it seems. Except for Goku's "Ryu-ken" technique which was only featured in movie 13. Goodness knows why it wasn't in the Buu saga.

Didn't Goku also use it about 3 times in GT? I think against Super 17 and Yi Xing Long..

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu May 06, 2004 2:15 am

Yes he did use it there, but I meant that I would have liked to see it used in DBZ also.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Thu May 06, 2004 2:23 am

Jerseymilk wrote:Yes he did use it there, but I meant that I would have liked to see it used in DBZ also.

Oh, alright. ^^;

Going back on topic..

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Thu May 06, 2004 9:33 am

I've heard it brought up numerous times that Goku used the Dragon Fist against Demon King Piccolo, or at least an early form of it.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu May 06, 2004 11:02 am

Ya it was pretty much the same technique. It's just I don't think Toriyama or Toei had that name for it at the time.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu May 06, 2004 9:47 pm

Wha?! No he didn't! He just put all his strength into one punch. No ki dragons wrapped around Piccolo and then blew up.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Thu May 06, 2004 10:00 pm

Dayspring is right, it's not the same technique...

Again, just to strengthen the point with my whiny words (and to steer this Dragon Fistillicious bus back on topic), They wouldn't have won without the Makankôsappô (or as PsyLiam calls it, StupidLongWord Beam. That guy is great).

Just like they wouldn't win against _______ without _______ (Insert thousands of combinations, it will still make sense). That can even mean "Kamehameha" and "Pilaf"... probably.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Thu May 06, 2004 11:00 pm

The difference there is that the Kamehameha was established long before the Ultimate Battle against Pilaf (if it can be called that).

I suppose you could make an argument for the Super New Techique being Ozaru, except that even that had been mentioned.

Which one was the Ryu-ken?

And, Dayspring, I don't think that Goku was increasing his power level while doing the Ka...me....ha...me...HA against Raditz. Rather, I think he was just concentrating his chi into a single point. I think that Raditz's scouter was reading that. Possibly the act of concentrating the chi caused it's apparent energy to go up.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Thu May 06, 2004 11:08 pm

PsyLiam wrote:Which one was the Ryu-ken?

Ryuu-Ken was an attack Goku used in DBZ movie 13 and several times in GT. When he uses it, his fist turns into a dragon and he punches through his opponent, then he vanishes as the dragon wraps around the enemy, then glows and vanishes as the enemy explodes and the dragon turns back into Goku.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu May 06, 2004 11:37 pm

Heh, you know that technique almost reminds me of the way the characters disappear during the appearances of the monsters they've summoned in many of the Final Fantasy games.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Fri May 07, 2004 11:19 pm

What, 3 summoning sphere things circle him and he teleports out?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat May 08, 2004 3:40 am

Well, close enough!

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Sat May 08, 2004 4:03 pm

PsyLiam wrote: I suppose you could make an argument for the Super New Techique being Ozaru, except that even that had been mentioned.

When? I can't remember anyone mentoining it until half a minute before Goku transformed.

Kanzenshuu

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