"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

I thought so, what's arched talking about?

Our Trunks only caused one split, Cell caused another and a different Trunks(the one that killed Freeza in Cell's time) caused another. Our Future Trunks's second trip in the Android arc didn't cause another split.

That should still make 4 Zamasus which was my point.

If the Zamasu they're dealing with in the future is from the "regular" timeline and the Zamasu native to the Future timeline hasn't turned evil then the other ones probably aren't anything to worry about. I'm still thinking Goku is what sent Zamasu over the edge, making the Zamasu from this time becoming evil unique, while in other time lines maybe Gowasu was able to stop him from turning evil or something.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm gonna take these spoilers with a grain of salt because we've already gone into an episodes in the past expecting shit pan out based on the leaked summaries to pan. I mean, we were supposed to find out what Goku Black's identity was several episodes ago based on the leaked titles and summaries and it never happened. I have to say I'm quite surprised but not completely shocked that they would give away that Beerus destroys Zamasu. But I'm also certain there is way more to the plot to that.

I'm expecting some major swerves.

[ekrolo2]

That should still make 4 Zamasus which was my point.

The other two timelines don't exist for all intents and purposes, they were glorified background noise to convolute Cell into the story. I don't even think the manga shows how Cell kills this alternate Trunks, it's just exposited through dialogue. That's how little they matter.

[alakazam^]

So shouldn't he maybe contact that dude? Like heads up someone's trying to murder you? Or your dude Zamasu from your universe is running a muck in my universe in the future. Technically present Zamasu hasn't done anything that concerns Beerus yet.

Like was already said, he solves his own problems. He most likely wouldn't care if another Universe's God of Destruction got killed. He also can't stay put because Black's shenanigans is making people travel back and forth through time and he can't risk Zen'ou knowing about that, especially if his bff Goku is involved.

[TheMikado]

Our Trunks only caused one split, Cell caused another and a different Trunks(the one that killed Freeza in Cell's time) caused another. Our Future Trunks's second trip in the Android arc didn't cause another split.

That should still make 4 Zamasus which was my point.

If the Zamasu they're dealing with in the future is from the "regular" timeline and the Zamasu native to the Future timeline hasn't turned evil then the other ones probably aren't anything to worry about. I'm still thinking Goku is what sent Zamasu over the edge, making the Zamasu from this time becoming evil unique, while in other time lines maybe Gowasu was able to stop him from turning evil or something.

That's not how Toriyamas time travel works. That creates a paradox that can't exist under Toriyamas time travel rules.

[ArchedThunder]

I'm gonna take these spoilers with a grain of salt because we've already gone into an episodes in the past expecting shit pan out based on the leaked summaries to pan. I mean, we were supposed to find out what Goku Black's identity was several episodes ago based on the leaked titles and summaries and it never happened. I have to say I'm quite surprised but not completely shocked that they would give away that Beerus destroys Zamasu. But I'm also certain there is way more to the plot to that.

I'm expecting some major swerves.

I really don't think Beerus actually kills Zamasu, it looks like he's getting his immorality in this upcoming episode and Beerus probably won't know that he's immortal. Beerus will probably think he kills Zamasu, leaves and then it turns out Zamasu is fine.

[TheMikado]

So shouldn't he maybe contact that dude? Like heads up someone's trying to murder you? Or your dude Zamasu from your universe is running a muck in my universe in the future. Technically present Zamasu hasn't done anything that concerns Beerus yet.

Like was already said, he solves his own problems. He most likely wouldn't care if another Universe's God of Destruction got killed. He also can't stay put because Black's shenanigans is making people travel back and forth through time and he can't risk Zen'ou knowing about that, especially if his bff Goku is involved.

If he's got that much of a problem with it why not go to the future of his OWN universe and put a stop to it.

[ArchedThunder]

That's not how Toriyamas time travel works. That creates a paradox that can't exist under Toriyamas time travel rules.

You don't know that. Timelines only split when someone goes back in time in their own timeline and we know time travel with the time rings doesn't split timelines. The entire arc seems like it's based on a time paradox.

[alakazam^]

If he's got that much of a problem with it why not go to the future of his OWN universe and put a stop to it.

That would mean he travels through time, which is a big no-no and going to the future is allowed for Kaioushins only.

[ArchedThunder]

If he's got that much of a problem with it why not go to the future of his OWN universe and put a stop to it.

He probably thinks that he's either killing Zamasu before he can meddle with Universe 7, stopping the events from happening, or he thinks Zamasu is hopping back and forth.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm gonna take these spoilers with a grain of salt because we've already gone into an episodes in the past expecting shit pan out based on the leaked summaries to pan. I mean, we were supposed to find out what Goku Black's identity was several episodes ago based on the leaked titles and summaries and it never happened. I have to say I'm quite surprised but not completely shocked that they would give away that Beerus destroys Zamasu. But I'm also certain there is way more to the plot to that.

I'm expecting some major swerves.

I really don't think Beerus actually kills Zamasu, it looks like he's getting his immorality in this upcoming episode and Beerus probably won't know that he's immortal. Beerus will probably think he kills Zamasu, leaves and then it turns out Zamasu is fine.

So it'll be just like Beerus thought he wiped out all the dinosaurs on the Earth... but he really didn't.

[dbzfan7]

That's not how Toriyamas time travel works. That creates a paradox that can't exist under Toriyamas time travel rules.

The time rings work differently so there won't be another timeline, but the whole scenario does lead to one big paradox that shoots itself in the foot. We'll see if it's addressed or not.

[Boo Machine]

I'm kind of excited to hear Beerus is getting involved, even if it's only for a little bit.

Probably a dumb question but any one think Zamasu vs Beerus as being a fight? I can't imagine it would be a long one.

Otherwise it's just going to be Beerus throwing an energy blast at Zamasu and him patting himself on the back for a job well done.

[ArchedThunder]

That's not how Toriyamas time travel works. That creates a paradox that can't exist under Toriyamas time travel rules.

The time rings work differently so there won't be another timeline, but the whole scenario does lead to one big paradox that shoots itself in the foot. We'll see if it's addressed or not.

It doesn't really shoot itself in the foot if the whole point is a time paradox. In the anime Whis gives a monologue about how time travel can have far reaching effects, and in the manga both Whis and Jaco do this, it could be that this time paradox some sort of aftershock from Trunks's time travel during the Androids arc. Either way, if it is a time paradox and that is the point I don't think it needs to be explained how the paradox really started, because the point of a paradox is that is just does happen.

I'm kind of excited to hear Beerus is getting involved, even if it's only for a little bit.

Probably a dumb question but any one think Zamasu vs Beerus as being a fight? I can't imagine it would be a long one.

Otherwise it's just going to be Beerus throwing an energy blast at Zamasu and him patting himself on the back for a job well done.

I could see Gowasu vs Zamasu being a small fight, and then when Beerus shows up Zamasu tries to fight him, gets obliterated like he's nothing and then Beerus leaves, then Zamasu regenerates from nothing.

[HeroR]

Why is Beerus going to fix the problems in U10? Where is the God of Destruction of said universe?

That's exactly what I'm thinking. I want U10 GoD!!

Because he's meddling with Universe 7, it makes it his business too. If Gowasu is already and he's the only Kaioshin there then that God of Destruction is already dead.
Honestly think at this point until we see otherwise we should just assume that Universe 7 having had multiple Kaioshin for a while was unique, it's also been a long time since Buu killed them, so if there is suppsoed to be multiple why is there still only 1?

There are four timelines. Time has split thrice: 1) Future Trunks traveling 20 years into the alternate past, 2) Cell traveling 21 years into the alternate past that Future Trunks is destined to arrive in, and 3) Future Trunks traveling 17 years into the alternate past of an era he's visited before. The third one utilizes the coordinates he's still using in Dragon Ball Super. We hardly explore the history of one of the eras in the main story.

I don't think Trunks's second trip to the past caused another split.

And why should we assume that U7 was special with it five Kais?

[dbzfan7]

That's not how Toriyamas time travel works. That creates a paradox that can't exist under Toriyamas time travel rules.

The time rings work differently so there won't be another timeline, but the whole scenario does lead to one big paradox that shoots itself in the foot. We'll see if it's addressed or not.

It doesn't really shoot itself in the foot if the whole point is a time paradox. In the anime Whis gives a monologue about how time travel can have far reaching effects, and in the manga both Whis and Jaco do this, it could be that this time paradox some sort of aftershock from Trunks's time travel during the Androids arc. Either way, if it is a time paradox and that is the point I don't think it needs to be explained how the paradox really started, because the point of a paradox is that is just does happen.

It is a time paradox. You kill Zamasu. Black never existed. Trunks never needed to come back. They never needed to kill Zamasu. Ergo time paradox. You get rid of the threat of the future in the past, and then the future threat never exists, therefore there was never a need to stop a future threat, which means the threat in the past was never stopped. It's a never ending circle. Which means there is literally no point to kill Zamasu whether he's immortal or not, as it does literally nothing. A time paradox prevents it from doing anything.

[Nejishiki]

Let's wait until the murder happens before we investigate the consequences. This isn't Minority Report. It may very well be addressed as the characters being mistaken.

[ArchedThunder]

And why should we assume that U7 was special with it five Kais?

As far as we can tell Universe 6 and 10 both only have one Kaioshin.

It is a time paradox. You kill Zamasu. Black never existed. Trunks never needed to come back. They never needed to kill Zamasu. Ergo time paradox. You get rid of the threat of the future in the past, and then the future threat never exists, therefore there was never a need to stop a future threat, which means the threat in the past was never stopped. It's a never ending circle. Which means there is literally no point to kill Zamasu whether he's immortal or not, as it does literally nothing. A time paradox prevents it from doing anything.

That's my point, I think it the whole point of this arc is that it IS a time paradox, and the point of a time paradox is that it just happens. Beerus likely won't know that it is a paradox when going to kill Zamasu.
Black attacks earth, Trunks tries to get help from the past, in investigating Goku inadvertently starts everything with Zamasu, Zamasu becomes evil and immortal, Beerus attempts to kill Zamasu and unknowingly fails, Zamasu travels to the future (and maybe creates Black) repeat.

[dbzfan7]

It is a time paradox. You kill Zamasu. Black never existed. Trunks never needed to come back. They never needed to kill Zamasu. Ergo time paradox. You get rid of the threat of the future in the past, and then the future threat never exists, therefore there was never a need to stop a future threat, which means the threat in the past was never stopped. It's a never ending circle. Which means there is literally no point to kill Zamasu whether he's immortal or not, as it does literally nothing. A time paradox prevents it from doing anything.

That's my point, I think it the whole point of this arc is that it IS a time paradox, and the point of a time paradox is that it just happens. Beerus going to kill Zamasu likely wouldn't know that it's a paradox.

Which is why the entire point of killing him is pointless. It does nothing and they should all know that. It's not exactly hard to figure out it does nothing and has no effect on the future. Not to mention all the other problems with Zamasu's desires. Beerus instead of just taking out the real problem, just wastes a bunch of time. Instead of just getting answers himself by heading to the future, and beating it out of them. But that would break the entire plot, which is another issue Super has.

[TheMikado]

If he's got that much of a problem with it why not go to the future of his OWN universe and put a stop to it.

He probably thinks that he's either killing Zamasu before he can meddle with Universe 7, stopping the events from happening, or he thinks Zamasu is hopping back and forth.

Why would Beerus think this if he and Whis already know how time lines are supposes to work. This only works if he thinks Zamasu is jumping back and forth which also wouldn't make sense. It is a paradox that breaks established time travel rules used for world building so yes it does need to be explainedif it suddenly doesn't operate the way we were told in the fictional universe it created. Otherwise it's called literally pulling something out your @$$ for the sake of plot.

Anyway I will wait until jumping to conclusions but whatever the conclusion it is will be pretty good or a nasty plot hole.