Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Noah]

goku ssb kaioken*10: 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

You have Goku strongest form in septillions already? Wow, it cannot be this much, seriously

[Helios518]

tell me what you guys think

[spoiler]bog sega

goku: 110,000,000
goku ssj: 5,500,000,000
goku ssj2: 11,000,000,000
goku ssj3: 44,000,000,000
beerus supressed far less than 1% 15,000,000,000,000
vegeta 95,000,000
vegeta ssj: 4,750,000,000
vegeta ssj2: 9,500,000,000
weakened ultimate gohan 70,000,000,000
weaker gotenks 750,000,000
weaker ssj gotenks: 37,500,000,000
enraged vegeta ssj2: 900,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 10%: 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku zenkia: 120,000,000
goku ssj zenkia: 6,000,000,000
goku ssg initial 40%: 400,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg 60%: 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 30%: 9,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg 70%: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 40%: 15,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg 90%: 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 60%: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg 100%: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 70%: 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssj crimson flame: 28,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-100,000,000,000,000 fluctuating as ssg is merging with him
goku final punch ssg evolved: 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

rof sega

gohan weakened: 4,000,000
gohan releasing a little mystic power: 4,000,000,000
gohan using ssj to release all mystic power: 200,000,000,000
tagoma: 180,000,000,000
tagoma ginyu releasing hidden potential: 190,000,000,000
piccolo: 9,500,000,000
gotenks: 750,000,000
gotenks ssj: 37,500,000,000
goten & trunks: 3,500,000
goku & vegeta: 11,000,000,000,000
frieza 1st form: 530,000,000,000
frieza 4th form: 7,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssb: 45,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
golden frieza: 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
golden frieza tired: 20,000,00,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 100%: 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
whis: 180,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

u6 arc

goku & vegeta post rosat: 13,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssj: 650,000,000,000,000
botomo: 1,000,000,000,000 very high defense
frost first form: 2,000,000,000,000
frost 3rd form: 15,000,000,000,000
frost 4th form: 200,000,000,000,000
piccolo post ( bulshit ) power up: 16,000,000,000,000
frost 4th form tired: 18,000,000,000,000
cabba: 12,000,000,000,000
cabba ssj: 600,000,000,000,000
hit taking it easy: 14,000,000,000,000
hit vs vegeta: 45,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg: 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssb: 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
hit first improvement: 55,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
hit second improvement: 60,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssb kaioken: 75,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssb kaioken*10: 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
hit final improvement: 510,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
champa: 85,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
vados: 190,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
hit tired improvements gone: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
zeno gaurds: 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
zeno: 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or just omnipotent

black sega

trunks: 52,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta: 13,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssj: 650,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssj2: 1,300,000,000,000,000
goku ssj3: 5,200,000,000,000,000
trunks ssj: 2,600,000,000,000,000
trunks ssj2: 5,200,000,000,000,000
goku black initial: 7,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg: 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku black suppressed agianst goku and suppressed because time distortion: 1,400,000,000,000,000
kid trunks & goten: 3,000,000,000
zamasu first encounter: 1,000,000,000,000,000
vegeta ssb suppressed against trunks: 7,000,000,000,000,000
black goku ssj2 power absorbed: 50,000,000,000,000,000
vegeta suppressed agianst black: 70,000,000,000,000,000
super saiyan rose black: 55,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
zamasu future: 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
trunks ssj2 ( BULLSHIT ) rage boost power up from hell: 45,000,000,000,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

Here's the problems with the list I noticed skimming through.

[spoiler]1) Way too many zeroes when they get god tier. My guess you're trying to correlate GT PLs with Super and still having the Gods over most things in GT? Even when I used to do to my numbers they would go only top at quadrillions as oppose to your septillions. So drop the unneeded zeroes.

2) As of now, Full Power Beerus should be above even SSBKx10 Goku.

3) There's SSJG in the Black and U6 arc. So are you trying to mix the DBS manga and anime? Yeah I recommend you don't do that because it's going to make inconsistencies and do a separate list for each of them.

4) The DBS anime retcon-ed the percentages in SSJG Goku vs Beerus fight, The SSJG Goku percentages may work but Beerus wasn't using anywhere near his full power against Goku.

5) There's no evidence,implication, or hint that talks about Hit losing his improvements.[/spoiler]
Here's a few little non-power levels problem to make your list look nicer

[spoiler]1) It's "Saga" not "Sega"

2) Put your list in a spoiler tag so it won't take up so much of the page

3) Capitalize the names but this is probably me nitpicking.[/spoiler]

[brett wheeler]

tell me what you guys think

[spoiler]bog sega

goku: 110,000,000
goku ssj: 5,500,000,000
goku ssj2: 11,000,000,000
goku ssj3: 44,000,000,000
beerus supressed far less than 1% 15,000,000,000,000
vegeta 95,000,000
vegeta ssj: 4,750,000,000
vegeta ssj2: 9,500,000,000
weakened ultimate gohan 70,000,000,000
weaker gotenks 750,000,000
weaker ssj gotenks: 37,500,000,000
enraged vegeta ssj2: 900,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 10%: 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku zenkia: 120,000,000
goku ssj zenkia: 6,000,000,000
goku ssg initial 40%: 400,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg 60%: 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 30%: 9,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg 70%: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 40%: 15,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg 90%: 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 60%: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg 100%: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 70%: 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssj crimson flame: 28,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-100,000,000,000,000 fluctuating as ssg is merging with him
goku final punch ssg evolved: 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

rof sega

gohan weakened: 4,000,000
gohan releasing a little mystic power: 4,000,000,000
gohan using ssj to release all mystic power: 200,000,000,000
tagoma: 180,000,000,000
tagoma ginyu releasing hidden potential: 190,000,000,000
piccolo: 9,500,000,000
gotenks: 750,000,000
gotenks ssj: 37,500,000,000
goten & trunks: 3,500,000
goku & vegeta: 11,000,000,000,000
frieza 1st form: 530,000,000,000
frieza 4th form: 7,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssb: 45,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
golden frieza: 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
golden frieza tired: 20,000,00,000,000,000,000,000
beerus 100%: 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
whis: 180,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

u6 arc

goku & vegeta post rosat: 13,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssj: 650,000,000,000,000
botomo: 1,000,000,000,000 very high defense
frost first form: 2,000,000,000,000
frost 3rd form: 15,000,000,000,000
frost 4th form: 200,000,000,000,000
piccolo post ( bulshit ) power up: 16,000,000,000,000
frost 4th form tired: 18,000,000,000,000
cabba: 12,000,000,000,000
cabba ssj: 600,000,000,000,000
hit taking it easy: 14,000,000,000,000
hit vs vegeta: 45,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg: 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssb: 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
hit first improvement: 55,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
hit second improvement: 60,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssb kaioken: 75,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssb kaioken*10: 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
hit final improvement: 510,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
champa: 85,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
vados: 190,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
hit tired improvements gone: 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
zeno gaurds: 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
zeno: 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or just omnipotent

black sega

trunks: 52,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta: 13,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssj: 650,000,000,000,000
goku & vegeta ssj2: 1,300,000,000,000,000
goku ssj3: 5,200,000,000,000,000
trunks ssj: 2,600,000,000,000,000
trunks ssj2: 5,200,000,000,000,000
goku black initial: 7,000,000,000,000,000
goku ssg: 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
goku black suppressed agianst goku and suppressed because time distortion: 1,400,000,000,000,000
kid trunks & goten: 3,000,000,000
zamasu first encounter: 1,000,000,000,000,000
vegeta ssb suppressed against trunks: 7,000,000,000,000,000
black goku ssj2 power absorbed: 50,000,000,000,000,000
vegeta suppressed agianst black: 70,000,000,000,000,000
super saiyan rose black: 55,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
zamasu future: 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
trunks ssj2 ( BULLSHIT ) rage boost power up from hell: 45,000,000,000,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

Here's the problems with the list I noticed skimming through.

[spoiler]1) Way too many zeroes when they get god tier. My guess you're trying to correlate GT PLs with Super and still having the Gods over most things in GT? Even when I used to do to my numbers they would go only top at quadrillions as oppose to your septillions. So drop the unneeded zeroes.

2) As of now, Full Power Beerus should be above even SSBKx10 Goku.

3) There's SSJG in the Black and U6 arc. So are you trying to mix the DBS manga and anime? Yeah I recommend you don't do that because it's going to make inconsistencies and do a separate list for each of them.

4) The DBS anime retcon-ed the percentages in SSJG Goku vs Beerus fight, The SSJG Goku percentages may work but Beerus wasn't using anywhere near his full power against Goku.

5) There's no evidence,implication, or hint that talks about Hit losing his improvements.[/spoiler]
Here's a few little non-power levels problem to make your list look nicer

[spoiler]1) It's "Saga" not "Sega"

2) Put your list in a spoiler tag so it won't take up so much of the page

3) Capitalize the names but this is probably me nitpicking.[/spoiler]

1. I'm not correlate gt with super. what thats about is the fact that I'm trying to make it linear and ssb and ssg was way way way above ssj3 vegito and I was trying to keep it the case and still also be above the power up they had in Resurrection f.
2. its complicated I'm trying to make a list from my view of what toriyama's outline could be taking parts from both that seem like something that he made not just toie or toyitaro on his own so instead of making a list that has one continuum this list has both. As in what I believe toryiama wanted and what we saw in the anime thats the best I can explain
3. I know it appears that way but I dont think thats toriyama intent. I think thats toie's diong what they do, toriyama just said they wont surpass beerus but toie added ssb kaioken. I put it in the list cause like I said I also put what was in the anime in general but I dont think it was completely canon ergo why it wasnt later shown in the anime even.
4. well thats the only way I can explain him being scared of champa like I said ssbkk should be stronger than beerus but tioe didnt make it appear as so so by that theory hit should be stronger than champa but he was scared so I was making since of the manga hence why he started at a power somewhat around ssg and of the anime where he was scared of champa who should be initially weaker than him now. Thats why I have him loosing his improvement I guess that would be my head canon if that makes sense

1. sorry I saw that but didnt change it cause by the time I finished it was late and I was sleepy
2.sorry I'm new still figuring stuff out
3. sorry I am not good at capitalizing punciation or anything so I usualy dont use them but I'm trying to get better for this thread

[Helios518]

1. I'm not correlate gt with super. what thats about is the fact that I'm trying to make it linear and ssb and ssg was way way way above ssj3 vegito and I was trying to keep it the case and still also be above the power up they had in Resurrection f.
2. its complicated I'm trying to make a list from my view of what toriyama's outline could be taking parts from both that seem like something that he made not just toie or toyitaro on his own so instead of making a list that has one continuum this list has both. As in what I believe toryiama wanted and what we saw in the anime thats the best I can explain
3. I know it appears that way but I dont think thats toriyama intent. I think thats toie's diong what they do, toriyama just said they wont surpass beerus but toie added ssb kaioken. I put it in the list cause like I said I also put what was in the anime in general but I dont think it was completely canon ergo why it wasnt later shown in the anime even.
4. well thats the only way I can explain him being scared of champa like I said ssbkk should be stronger than beerus but tioe didnt make it appear as so so by that theory hit should be stronger than champa but he was scared so I was making since of the manga hence why he started at a power somewhat around ssg and of the anime where he was scared of champa who should be initially weaker than him now. Thats why I have him loosing his improvement I guess that would be my head canon if that makes sense

1. sorry I saw that but didnt change it cause by the time I finished it was late and I was sleepy
2.sorry I'm new still figuring stuff out
3. sorry I am not good at capitalizing punciation or anything so I usualy dont use them but I'm trying to get better for this thread

1. Yeah I get you but you still don't need to exaggerate it like SSJG being 10x stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto is enough hell even 5x works perfectly.
2. So you think canon DBS is a fusion of the manga and anime? I mean that's fine if you think that but that would create a lot of inconsistencies and confusions (especially in power levels) but hey beggars can't be choosers.
3. Even then the anime didn't show anything that SSJBKx10 Goku surpassed Beerus besides him being surprised that Goku was still hiding relatively a lot of power.

[brett wheeler]

1. I'm not correlate gt with super. what thats about is the fact that I'm trying to make it linear and ssb and ssg was way way way above ssj3 vegito and I was trying to keep it the case and still also be above the power up they had in Resurrection f.
2. its complicated I'm trying to make a list from my view of what toriyama's outline could be taking parts from both that seem like something that he made not just toie or toyitaro on his own so instead of making a list that has one continuum this list has both. As in what I believe toryiama wanted and what we saw in the anime thats the best I can explain
3. I know it appears that way but I dont think thats toriyama intent. I think thats toie's diong what they do, toriyama just said they wont surpass beerus but toie added ssb kaioken. I put it in the list cause like I said I also put what was in the anime in general but I dont think it was completely canon ergo why it wasnt later shown in the anime even.
4. well thats the only way I can explain him being scared of champa like I said ssbkk should be stronger than beerus but tioe didnt make it appear as so so by that theory hit should be stronger than champa but he was scared so I was making since of the manga hence why he started at a power somewhat around ssg and of the anime where he was scared of champa who should be initially weaker than him now. Thats why I have him loosing his improvement I guess that would be my head canon if that makes sense

1. sorry I saw that but didnt change it cause by the time I finished it was late and I was sleepy
2.sorry I'm new still figuring stuff out
3. sorry I am not good at capitalizing punciation or anything so I usualy dont use them but I'm trying to get better for this thread

1. Yeah I get you but you still don't need to exaggerate it like SSJG being 10x stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto is enough hell even 5x works perfectly.
2. So you think canon DBS is a fusion of the manga and anime? I mean that's fine if you think that but that would create a lot of inconsistencies and confusions (especially in power levels) but hey beggars can't be choosers.
3. Even then the anime didn't show anything that SSJBKx10 Goku surpassed Beerus besides him being surprised that Goku was still hiding relatively a lot of power.

1. yea I think i exaggerated a little too but the point of power lvl at this piont is to show how far one character is from the other, and like I said by the time I got to bog saga It was like 3 am so I was just trying to give the point that ssg is a giant leap from ssj3. I also still had to do multipliers I had a piece of paper and a calculator for all that witch thats pretty hard to do late at night
2. well yes but only certain parts thats coherent to one another from manga and anime both and it left me not as bad confused about power lvls as most ( besides piccolo and trunks bullshit major power up )
3.well yes but I put ssbkk in there kinda for fan reasons. I dont think its canon I just think toriyama wrote a red form will appear that hasn't been seen in a while and they still wont be stronger than beerus. Torytoro just used ssg so it made sense with the 6 10 15 scale and it made sense power scaling wise other ways, while toie ( who generally dont care ) used ssbkk witch fucked everything over. So ssg would be a 7 now, ssb 8.5, hit 8.0. black 9.0, champa 9.5, beerus 10

over all I see youre problems with my scale but I just tried to make sense of it by taking ideas from manga and anime to find the idea toriyama was looking for ya know

[ZombieVito]

I have read Herms summary of this episode and it says Gohan was powering up but if this was the case wouldn't the aura just cover him and not Shisami?



Thoughts?

[dbgtFO]

I have read Herms summary of this episode and it says Gohan was powering up but if this was the case wouldn't the aura just cover him and not Shisami?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Thoughts?

Gohan was doing the powering up. The fact it's drawn like that is probably because the animators screwed up and/or it'd look weird to just have it cover Gohan or they were just lazy.
Context is key and the scene is obviously there to show, that Gohan was holding back and now, as he's powering up, Shisami was about to get destroyed, until Tagoma interfered.

[DBZ Macky]

Guys, please share your numbers for these characters:

-Buuhan
-DBZ Super Vegetto
-BOG Rageta
-BOG SSJG Goku
-FNF Goku
-FNF SSJB Goku
-FNF Freeza First Form
-FNF Gohan
-SSJ2 Goku (Vs. Black)
-SSJB Goku (Vs. Black)

[ZombieVito]

Gohan was doing the powering up. The fact it's drawn like that is probably because the animators screwed up and/or it'd look weird to just have it cover Gohan or they were just lazy.
Context is key and the scene is obviously there to show, that Gohan was holding back and now, as he's powering up, Shisami was about to get destroyed, until Tagoma interfered.

I guess you are right.

Guys, please share your numbers for these characters:

-Buuhan: 256,550,000,000
-DBZ Super Vegetto: 500,000,000,000
-BOG Rageta: 500,000,000,000
-BOG SSJG Goku: 200,000,000,000,000
-FNF Goku: 240,000,000,000
-FNF SSJB Goku: 240,000,000,000,000
-FNF Freeza First Form: 24,000,000,000
-FNF Gohan: 100,000,000 --> SSJ: 5,000,000,000
-SSJ2 Goku (Vs. Black): 32,000,000,000,000
-SSJB Goku (Vs. Black): 320,000,000,000,000

[Bullza]

I take back what I thought before. That in the manga continuity he didn't absorb the power of God so he's at regular Buu saga levels...I don't know about that anymore. The comments about Goku's speed don't make sense with that and there's just too many.

Unless he didn't absorb the power of God but is still far above his Buu level strenght just from all the training he did with Whis and in the ROSAT which would also make sense.

I'm gonna have to see more chapters and hope it's made a bit more clear.

[TheMikado]

I take back what I thought before. That in the manga continuity he didn't absorb the power of God so he's at regular Buu saga levels...I don't know about that anymore. The comments about Goku's speed don't make sense with that and there's just too many.

Unless he didn't absorb the power of God but is still far above his Buu level strenght just from all the training he did with Whis and in the ROSAT which would also make sense.

I'm gonna have to see more chapters and hope it's made a bit more clear.

So what would turning into SSG do other than making him skinny? Plus you have the issue of Super manga specifically showing base then SSJ then SSG, so unless you want to go against what was explicitly shown against one or two off hand comments I don't see how you could logically draw that conclusion

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I wouldn't take the feats from Toei or Toyotaro super-literally like back in the original manga. Toei certainly has very different views than Toriyama did back in the day when it comes on battle power differences, and the same could go for Toyotaro as well.

I take back what I thought before. That in the manga continuity he didn't absorb the power of God so he's at regular Buu saga levels...I don't know about that anymore. The comments about Goku's speed don't make sense with that and there's just too many.

Unless he didn't absorb the power of God but is still far above his Buu level strenght just from all the training he did with Whis and in the ROSAT which would also make sense.

I'm gonna have to see more chapters and hope it's made a bit more clear.

So what would turning into SSG do other than making him skinny? Plus you have the issue of Super manga specifically showing base then SSJ then SSG, so unless you want to go against what was explicitly shown against one or two off hand comments I don't see how you could logically draw that conclusion

Not to mention that there is also SS2 & SS3 between SS & SSG, as we saw in the latest chapter.

[Chiki]

It's crystal clear. Goku said SS2 Trunks (pre-powering up) was only > SS2 Gohan (if it was more impressive than that, he would have said so). SS2 Trunks after powering up was <=> SS3 Goku.

SS3 Goku <=> FPSS2 Trunks >>>>>>>>>>>> SS2 Trunks > SS2 Goku > SS2 Gohan

[Bullza]

So what would turning into SSG do other than making him skinny?

I suppose it could be another transformation with it's own multiplier that lies somewhere between Super Saiyan 3 and Super Super Saiyan Blue. We already know the strength of Super Saiyan God can vary so it's not that farfetched.

I wouldn't take the feats from Toei or Toyotaro super-literally like back in the original manga. Toei certainly has very different views than Toriyama did back in the day when it comes on battle power differences, and the same could go for Toyotaro as well.

The inconsistency with this kinda thing does make it somewhat awkward but the original manga was consistent with the humans, Krillin, Tien and Yamcha being able to see Super Saiyan level characters fight. In the Super manga they've been somewhat consistent with the humans Roshi, Krillin and Tien not being able to see Base Goku fight.

That'd be perfectly consistent if it were in the anime (I can't remember what comments were made there).

It's crystal clear. Goku said SS2 Trunks (pre-powering up) was only > SS2 Gohan (if it was more impressive than that, he would have said so). SS2 Trunks after powering up was <=> SS3 Goku.

Well Goku wouldn't tell him he was stronger than Gotenks or Super Buu because Trunks doesn't know who they are. SSJ2 Gohan was the strongest character around that Trunks was familiar with in that timeline. Suppressed SSJ2 Trunks was stronger than Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan by an unknown amount and at full strength he's equal to current SSJ3 Goku who you would think would be a lot stronger than he was back in the Buu saga.

[Chiki]

Well Goku wouldn't tell him he was stronger than Gotenks or Super Buu because Trunks doesn't know who they are. SSJ2 Gohan was the strongest character around that Trunks was familiar with in that timeline. Suppressed SSJ2 Trunks was stronger than Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan by an unknown amount and at full strength he's equal to current SSJ3 Goku who you would think would be a lot stronger than he was back in the Buu saga.

He could have said "you've already far, far surpassed SS2 Gohan" but he didn't.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku told Rild that he was stronger than Majin Boo, even though Rild didn't know who Majin Boo is. He also compared Dabra to Cell for Kaioshin, even though Kaioshin didn't know who Cell was.

[Bullza]

That's technicalities, he didn't say he was a little stronger or a lot stronger, just that he was stronger. All we really know for sure is that he's as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku and how strong is he supposed to be now?

Obviously a lot more powerful than before when he fought Kid Buu but is he stronger than Mystic Gohan? Buuhan? Vegito?

If you didn't argue about inconsistencies you could probably say Base Goku and First Form Frost > SSJ Goku and Perfect Cell. It's already like that in the anime and the movie (for one of them) so it's not like it's impossible

Goku told Rild that he was stronger than Majin Boo

Pretty sure he told that to Pan and Trunks. I can't remember the Cell comment I'll have to check hat one.

[TheMikado]

I think you're really grasping at the barest of straws here.

Absorbing the SSG power in his base makes no sense as he still goes SSG. I get the idea of it stacking but there is no mention of absorption in the manga. He might as well absorb SSJ3 and SSB power two and make those stack as well. In the manga SSG isn't even a one time transformation so why should it work like the anime. It has been shown that it doesn't work like it already.

[Bullza]

No I'm not saying he absorbed the power. If he were indeed stronger than SSJ Goku/Perfect Cell then it could just be as a result of all the training he's done with Whis and Vegeta.

Effectively in the manga Base Goku could be as strong as he was in the anime just from training alone and without absorbing any power. Like how Vegeta obtained his power.

[TheMikado]

He could, but nothing was shown that he is. I wouldn't try to make that connection unless it explicitly stated that. The next manga release should make it more clear which ever it is.