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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by dbgtFO » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:28 pm

I agree with your viewpoint.
How we view Yamcha now is a result of him being the original jobber and occasional exposition guy, so much so by the time of Z, he was entering irrelevance as a fighter and even lost his girlfriend to a more popular character, making him a loser in the eyes of the masses.
Claiming that was the priginal intent is a bit silly and why Cure Dragon also pointed out he was kidding.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:24 pm

I never saw Yamcha as the cool guy, nor as a jobber. I think he was supposed to turn the cool guy convention on its head. He was a bandit with reputation for killing people who didn't give him what he wanted, but he also froze around cute girls. His big wish was to not freeze up around them.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:42 pm

dbgtFO wrote:I agree with your viewpoint.
How we view Yamcha now is a result of him being the original jobber and occasional exposition guy, so much so by the time of Z, he was entering irrelevance as a fighter and even lost his girlfriend to a more popular character, making him a loser in the eyes of the masses.
Claiming that was the priginal intent is a bit silly and why Cure Dragon also pointed out he was kidding.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:56 pm

I find Katsumi Aoshima's work in DB and DBZ underrated. I think it's cool he solo'd so many scenes in his animation. It's sad that he left after the Saiyan Arc.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The Patrolman » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:11 pm

I prefer the original dub scene of Goku turning SSJ for the first time. I'm sorry I couldnt take Nozawa scream seriously. She really didnt feel angry at all and when she did the roar I died laughing hearing that
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:20 pm

She didnt do it. A male actor was brought in for the scream.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:29 pm

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:She didnt do it. A male actor was brought in for the scream.

I do think that the performance was a little weak here.
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Post by ABED » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:38 pm

The Patrolman wrote:I prefer the original dub scene of Goku turning SSJ for the first time. I'm sorry I couldnt take Nozawa scream seriously. She really didnt feel angry at all and when she did the roar I died laughing hearing that
And I laughed at Schemmel's dump Kamehameha, so we're even.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:39 pm

ABED wrote:
The Patrolman wrote:I prefer the original dub scene of Goku turning SSJ for the first time. I'm sorry I couldnt take Nozawa scream seriously. She really didnt feel angry at all and when she did the roar I died laughing hearing that
And I laughed at Schemmel's dump Kamehameha, so we're even.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The Patrolman » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:55 pm

ABED wrote:
The Patrolman wrote:I prefer the original dub scene of Goku turning SSJ for the first time. I'm sorry I couldnt take Nozawa scream seriously. She really didnt feel angry at all and when she did the roar I died laughing hearing that
And I laughed at Schemmel's dump Kamehameha, so we're even.
And I laughed at Nozawa's constant fighting noises, so yeah.
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:01 pm

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:She didnt do it. A male actor was brought in for the scream.
Nah, they just distorted it.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:33 pm

The Patrolman wrote:
ABED wrote:
The Patrolman wrote:I prefer the original dub scene of Goku turning SSJ for the first time. I'm sorry I couldnt take Nozawa scream seriously. She really didnt feel angry at all and when she did the roar I died laughing hearing that
And I laughed at Schemmel's dump Kamehameha, so we're even.
And I laughed at Nozawa's constant fighting noises, so yeah.
Do you really wanna argue which dub had more unintentionally funny aspects?
All of them?
Not all of them are dump Kamehamehas. I'm talking about one specifically, the one when Goku tries to use against Ginyu after he gets his body back.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:02 pm

The GT dub is great, I'll fight argue anyone who says otherwise. It baffles me that some people will be like "Z dubs fime, only weebs hate it" will then turn around and say shit like " THE GT DUB SJCKS A BUCH OF POPPY ASS DICKS, STEP INTP A GRAND TOUR ? MORE LIKE STEP IMTPO A SHIT TOUR!!!!!!!L!!LLL!LLL!L!!!!!!!!!!"
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:08 pm

Soppa Saia People wrote:The GT dub is great, I'll fight argue anyone who says otherwise. It baffles me that some people will be like "Z dubs fime, only weebs hate it" will then turn around and say shit like " THE GT DUB SJCKS A BUCH OF POPPY ASS DICKS, STEP INTP A GRAND TOUR ? MORE LIKE STEP IMTPO A SHIT TOUR!!!!!!!L!!LLL!LLL!L!!!!!!!!!!"
It's not great, but it's watchable.
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:34 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Soppa Saia People wrote:The GT dub is great, I'll fight argue anyone who says otherwise. It baffles me that some people will be like "Z dubs fime, only weebs hate it" will then turn around and say shit like " THE GT DUB SJCKS A BUCH OF POPPY ASS DICKS, STEP INTP A GRAND TOUR ? MORE LIKE STEP IMTPO A SHIT TOUR!!!!!!!L!!LLL!LLL!L!!!!!!!!!!"
It's not great, but it's watchable.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:36 pm

Soppa Saia People wrote:The GT dub is great, I'll fight argue anyone who says otherwise. It baffles me that some people will be like "Z dubs fime, only weebs hate it" will then turn around and say shit like " THE GT DUB SJCKS A BUCH OF POPPY ASS DICKS, STEP INTP A GRAND TOUR ? MORE LIKE STEP IMTPO A SHIT TOUR!!!!!!!L!!LLL!LLL!L!!!!!!!!!!"
Totally agree. Though I think it really shines with the wonderful Japanese GT score

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by nickzambuto » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:56 pm

I think it would be cool if Ox-King/Gyuamao was in the same league as the likes of Gohan and Taopaipai, but since he's the kind of person who relies on power over techniques, his physical strength is outright freakish for a human even by their standards, and at his best, can reach such superhuman levels as to be the only human on par with the Demon King, without training with god/Kami.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cipher » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:07 pm

Soppa Saia People wrote:The GT dub is great, I'll fight argue anyone who says otherwise. It baffles me that some people will be like "Z dubs fime, only weebs hate it" will then turn around and say shit like " THE GT DUB SJCKS A BUCH OF POPPY ASS DICKS, STEP INTP A GRAND TOUR ? MORE LIKE STEP IMTPO A SHIT TOUR!!!!!!!L!!LLL!LLL!L!!!!!!!!!!"
The GT dub is a weird mixed bag. Some episodes are almost line-for-line faithful to the Japanese script, while others take wild liberties mostly in the service of punching up Goku's superheroic elements from the heydays of the Z dub. There doesn't tend to be much room in between. You either get something that basically serves only to fit the subtitle track to the mouthflaps, or a ground-up rewrite. There are some moments in the Baby fight that really go off the rails.

It all has to do with the script writers, though I forget who tended to go in which direction (I think Eric Vale handled a lot of the accurate ones?). If you check the credits, you generally know what you're in for. You're like actively watching the death throes of FUNimation's original localization philosophy.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by John Doe » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:39 pm

Ok here we go.

Goku's marriage to ChiChi is one of the dumbest plot twists in DB.
It makes no sense whatsoever. Goku and ChiChi haven't seen each other in 6 years + 8 months by the time they meet again at the 23rd Martial Arts Tournament. Who in their right mind would marry someone they haven't seen in almost 7 years? I know that DB has a lot of unrealistic stuff but Goku's marriage to ChiChi felt too forced and unnatural. And no, I'm not one of those fans who thinks that Goku should have married Bulma. I think that Goku should have stayed single. There was no point trying to make Goku look more "human" only to have him abandon his wife and kid later for 7 freaking years. I would have preferred if Gohan and Goten were the result of a one-night stand just like Trunks was.

Vegeta should have stayed dead after Freeza killed him on Planet Namek.
If you think about it, this was the perfect ending for Vegeta. He lived and died as a villain but at least he died free, not as Freeza's slave. Bringing Vegeta back to life and making him turn "good", and making him have kids with Bulma, and giving him SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ God, etc... it feels like a desperate attempt to please fanboys. It wasn't needed. Goku could have easily defeated Cyborg Freeza and King Cold. Future Gohan or Future Bulma could have went back in time to warn the Z-warriors about the androids. Piccolo could have been "possessed" by Babidi during the Buu Saga.

Goku and Gohan should have defeated Cell by fighting together as a team. Goku should have survived the Cell Games.
And I would say this even if the Buu Saga and DB Super and the new weak, useless Gohan never happened.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cipher » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:45 pm

John Doe wrote:Goku's marriage to ChiChi is one of the dumbest plot twists in DB.
It makes no sense whatsoever. Goku and ChiChi haven't seen each other in 6 years + 8 months by the time they meet again at the 23rd Martial Arts Tournament. Who in their right mind would marry someone they haven't seen in almost 7 years? I know that DB has a lot of unrealistic stuff but Goku's marriage to ChiChi felt too forced and unnatural. And no, I'm not one of those fans who thinks that Goku should have married Bulma. I think that Goku should have stayed single. There was no point trying to make Goku look more "human" only to have him abandon his wife and kid later for 7 freaking years. I would have preferred if Gohan and Goten were the result of a one-night stand just like Trunks was.
Goku and Chi-Chi are both idiots raised in a mystical martial-arts world though.

Who would marry someone they haven't seen in seven years? The daughter of a demon ox king who promised her hand to a little warrior boy who kicked her in the junk, I guess.

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