"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[dbzfan7]

My taking point is maybe to just appreciate Trunks in the role Gohan fans kinda wanted. That's pretty much it. Let em have something in the form of Trunks. Unless of course, people don't want those fans having any small kind of victory through another character . It ain't about what he should be, but just that maybe someone else can fill that void and quota.

I'm normally optimistic, but I don't think that's something to be happy about. Future Trunks coming back is actually hindering the idea of Gohan returning. They could have left the option open, but they've now essentially done an arc about a side character returning, even if they're not that strong. Now they've used up that idea. They most likely aren't going to do it again.

I like to think of it as if Trunks works really well out, then perhaps they may want to do more with other people too. There's no way there wasn't some nostalgic aspect of bringing back Future Trunks. My big negative of Future Trunks is he's yet to have really good screen time with his younger self. So much you can do with that, and they haven't yet. Hopefully they do sooner before they don't at all.

[kinisking]

I know it's disappointing, I really do. But, they don't want to write Gohan in the story. I've thought about it and I think they just don't know how to write Gohan into the story. His role was supposed to be taking over Goku's but now that that's not an option where does it leave him? Toriyama has made a character that's supposed to be smarter and much more powerful than Goku. Think about it, if Gohan stood up to the plate, where would that leave Goku and Vegeta? In the dust. Goku is the main character and he's supposed to be special and winning all the major battles. However that wouldn't make any sense if he had an ally that's much stronger than him. You can't keep making Gohan make the same mistake of getting cocky either because then it's just disrespectful to the character. I mean, he's supposed to be smart ffs. It worked when he was a kid, but not anymore. Akira Toriyama has an amazing way of tying things together, and he was able to use the fact that Gohan wanted to be a scholar (honestly, when he first wrote that he probably just thought it would be funny to have the son of Goku wanting to be a scholar) as a way of sidelining him for good. I think Akira jsut regrets making the half saiyans at this point. With Future Trunks, it's much easier to write him into the story. Even if he does surpass Goku and Vegeta, he's going to be there for like one arc and then leave. They don't have to worry about anything. That's at least how I see it.

Gohan was only shown to be smarter than Goku in education. In a fighting sense, he had always been subpar. Gohan is basically dumb muscle compared to Goku when it comes to fighting.

He was never shown to be worse than average. He was no genius, but subpar? How? Also, he never really had a chance to prove himself. He was pretty young everytime he fought, besides for the boo saga where he was rusty as hell.

[Kagari]

My taking point is maybe to just appreciate Trunks in the role Gohan fans kinda wanted. That's pretty much it. Let em have something in the form of Trunks. Unless of course, people don't want those fans having any small kind of victory through another character . It ain't about what he should be, but just that maybe someone else can fill that void and quota.

I'm normally optimistic, but I don't think that's something to be happy about. Future Trunks coming back is actually hindering the idea of Gohan returning. They could have left the option open, but they've now essentially done an arc about a side character returning, even if they're not that strong. Now they've used up that idea. They most likely aren't going to do it again.

I like to think of it as if Trunks works really well out, then perhaps they may want to do more with other people too. There's no way there wasn't some nostalgic aspect of bringing back Future Trunks. My big negative of Future Trunks is he's yet to have really good screen time with his younger self. So much you can do with that, and they haven't yet. Hopefully they do sooner before they don't at all.

I have no doubt he was brought back due to nostalgia/popularity in other things like the video games (Dokkan/Heroes/Xenoverse etc). It'll be telling to see if they take a similar approach going forward (ie. pulling a popular character in to center a story around). I was hoping for more Trunks/kid Trunks stuff by now too but kid Trunks just feels like background dressing left pining after Mai, the unreachable onee-san.

[HeroR]

I know it's disappointing, I really do. But, they don't want to write Gohan in the story. I've thought about it and I think they just don't know how to write Gohan into the story. His role was supposed to be taking over Goku's but now that that's not an option where does it leave him? Toriyama has made a character that's supposed to be smarter and much more powerful than Goku. Think about it, if Gohan stood up to the plate, where would that leave Goku and Vegeta? In the dust. Goku is the main character and he's supposed to be special and winning all the major battles. However that wouldn't make any sense if he had an ally that's much stronger than him. You can't keep making Gohan make the same mistake of getting cocky either because then it's just disrespectful to the character. I mean, he's supposed to be smart ffs. It worked when he was a kid, but not anymore. Akira Toriyama has an amazing way of tying things together, and he was able to use the fact that Gohan wanted to be a scholar (honestly, when he first wrote that he probably just thought it would be funny to have the son of Goku wanting to be a scholar) as a way of sidelining him for good. I think Akira jsut regrets making the half saiyans at this point. With Future Trunks, it's much easier to write him into the story. Even if he does surpass Goku and Vegeta, he's going to be there for like one arc and then leave. They don't have to worry about anything. That's at least how I see it.

Gohan was only shown to be smarter than Goku in education. In a fighting sense, he had always been subpar. Gohan is basically dumb muscle compared to Goku when it comes to fighting.

He was never shown to be worse than average. He was no genius, but subpar? How? Also, he never really had a chance to prove himself. He was pretty young everytime he fought, besides for the boo saga where he was rusty as hell.

That's his fault for not training and keeping in shape. Gohan is a pure power fighter. If he isn't overwhelming stronger than his opponent, he tends to lose or do extremely poorly like his performance against Dabura.

And he is subpar. Yamcha created the Spirit Ball, which he can control through and movements, Krillin invented a technique that can cut through people many times stronger than him, Tien is the book that everyone copies from, and even Gotenks invented a number of clever techniques. Even Goku who has no original technique is able to learn and copy other peoples moves just by seeing them most of the time.

Gohan has none of that. He has shown no moments of being a brilliance fighter. Just a powerful fighter than can vaporize people.

[dbzfan7]

I'm normally optimistic, but I don't think that's something to be happy about. Future Trunks coming back is actually hindering the idea of Gohan returning. They could have left the option open, but they've now essentially done an arc about a side character returning, even if they're not that strong. Now they've used up that idea. They most likely aren't going to do it again.

I like to think of it as if Trunks works really well out, then perhaps they may want to do more with other people too. There's no way there wasn't some nostalgic aspect of bringing back Future Trunks. My big negative of Future Trunks is he's yet to have really good screen time with his younger self. So much you can do with that, and they haven't yet. Hopefully they do sooner before they don't at all.

I have no doubt he was brought back due to nostalgia/popularity in other things like the video games (Dokkan/Heroes/Xenoverse etc). It'll be telling to see if they take a similar approach going forward (ie. pulling a popular character in to center a story around). I was hoping for more Trunks/kid Trunks stuff by now too but kid Trunks just feels like background dressing left pining after Mai, the unreachable onee-san.

So far the only thing I feared for this arc before it began that I thought was likely to happen beyond more recolours, was Trunks ending up pushed aside for Future Trunks. So far that seems to be the case. Kid Trunks is a complete background character, and Goten is nowhere to be seen. I can do without Goten, but damn all the relationship potential is pissed away with each and every episode they don't focus on it.

[Kagari]

I like to think of it as if Trunks works really well out, then perhaps they may want to do more with other people too. There's no way there wasn't some nostalgic aspect of bringing back Future Trunks. My big negative of Future Trunks is he's yet to have really good screen time with his younger self. So much you can do with that, and they haven't yet. Hopefully they do sooner before they don't at all.

I have no doubt he was brought back due to nostalgia/popularity in other things like the video games (Dokkan/Heroes/Xenoverse etc). It'll be telling to see if they take a similar approach going forward (ie. pulling a popular character in to center a story around). I was hoping for more Trunks/kid Trunks stuff by now too but kid Trunks just feels like background dressing left pining after Mai, the unreachable onee-san.

So far the only thing I feared for this arc before it began that I thought was likely to happen beyond more recolours, was Trunks ending up pushed aside for Future Trunks. So far that seems to be the case. Kid Trunks is a complete background character, and Goten is nowhere to be seen. I can do without Goten, but damn all the relationship potential is pissed away with each and every episode they don't focus on it.

I guess I had a certain expectation for kid Trunks based on what the voice actor had said but we've yet to really see it. Even now they're back in the present it seems like that relationship focus won't be there based on the next few episode summaries combined with Trunks heading back to the future so quickly.

[dbzfan7]

I have no doubt he was brought back due to nostalgia/popularity in other things like the video games (Dokkan/Heroes/Xenoverse etc). It'll be telling to see if they take a similar approach going forward (ie. pulling a popular character in to center a story around). I was hoping for more Trunks/kid Trunks stuff by now too but kid Trunks just feels like background dressing left pining after Mai, the unreachable onee-san.

So far the only thing I feared for this arc before it began that I thought was likely to happen beyond more recolours, was Trunks ending up pushed aside for Future Trunks. So far that seems to be the case. Kid Trunks is a complete background character, and Goten is nowhere to be seen. I can do without Goten, but damn all the relationship potential is pissed away with each and every episode they don't focus on it.

I guess I had a certain expectation for kid Trunks based on what the voice actor had said but we've yet to really see it. Even now they're back in the present it seems like that relationship focus won't be there based on the next few episode summaries combined with Trunks heading back to the future so quickly.

I got some hope we'll get an actual Future Trunks/Kid Trunks dynamic....ugh why am I even saying Kid Trunks. Isn't he like 14 or 15 now?

[Boo Machine]

Even if it's just one talk, there needs to be a moment with Trunks and his future self that isn't just some comedy bit. It would be an awful waste not to have it.

Hell, I think Future Trunks has had more interaction with little mai than with his younger self.

Let future Trunks train present Trunks like Vegeta trained Him. Slam his head into the ground, punt him through some trees. It'll be great! I'm kidding of course, don't kick little trunks like a football.

[kinisking]

Gohan was only shown to be smarter than Goku in education. In a fighting sense, he had always been subpar. Gohan is basically dumb muscle compared to Goku when it comes to fighting.

He was never shown to be worse than average. He was no genius, but subpar? How? Also, he never really had a chance to prove himself. He was pretty young everytime he fought, besides for the boo saga where he was rusty as hell.

That's his fault for not training and keeping in shape. Gohan is a pure power fighter. If he isn't overwhelming stronger than his opponent, he tends to lose or do extremely poorly like his performance against Dabura.

And he is subpar. Yamcha created the Spirit Ball, which he can control through and movements, Krillin invented a technique that can cut through people many times stronger than him, Tien is the book that everyone copies from, and even Gotenks invented a number of clever techniques. Even Goku who has no original technique is able to learn and copy other peoples moves just by seeing them most of the time.

Gohan has none of that. He has shown no moments of being a brilliance fighter. Just a powerful fighter than can vaporize people.

What has Goku copied from seeing? The kamehameha? Gohan with absolutely no training or even seeing a technique like that could create a beam just like that when Piccolo threw him.

[HeroR]

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What has Goku copied from seeing? The kamehameha? Gohan with absolutely no training or even seeing a technique like that could create a beam just like that when Piccolo threw him.

The After Image (improved it after seeing a double), the Solar Flare, King Chapa's Hasshu-ken (Eight-Arm Fist), the Destructo Disc. Did you watched Dragon Ball? And Gohan did that beam on instinct and he never did it again.

[dbzfan7]

Even if it's just one talk, there needs to be a moment with Trunks and his future self that isn't just some comedy bit. It would be an awful waste not to have it.

Hell, I think Future Trunks has had more interaction with little mai than with his younger self.

I just had to let that awful thought sink in. Damn. The far more interesting chemistry is replaced with....that...

[kinisking]

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What has Goku copied from seeing? The kamehameha? Gohan with absolutely no training or even seeing a technique like that could create a beam just like that when Piccolo threw him.

The After Image (improved it after seeing a double), the Solar Flare, King Chapa's Hasshu-ken (Eight-Arm Fist), the Destructo Disc. Did you watched Dragon Ball? And Gohan did that beam on instinct and he never did it again.

Lol doing something on instinct still requires talent. He was able to do something like that without any sort of training or experience, while Goku couldn't. And do you really think Gohan couldn't easily do all of those? After image is speed, Destructo disk really isn't that special, I don't remember eight arm first, and anyone and their mother can do solar flare. Gohan in ROF seemed to be hitting pressure points too, which takes a lot of skill.

[HeroR]

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What has Goku copied from seeing? The kamehameha? Gohan with absolutely no training or even seeing a technique like that could create a beam just like that when Piccolo threw him.

The After Image (improved it after seeing a double), the Solar Flare, King Chapa's Hasshu-ken (Eight-Arm Fist), the Destructo Disc. Did you watched Dragon Ball? And Gohan did that beam on instinct and he never did it again.

Lol doing something on instinct still requires talent. He was able to do something like that without any sort of training or experience, while Goku couldn't. And do you really think Gohan couldn't easily do all of those? After image is speed, Destructo disk really isn't that special, I don't remember eight arm first, and anyone and their mother can do solar flare. Gohan in ROF seemed to be hitting pressure points too, which takes a lot of skill.

We know Gohan has talent, but he doesn't used it all that well. We have never seen Gohan do even half of those techniques other than the Kamehameha, and he didn't do that much until the Cell Games. You actually highlighted how pathetic Gohan is as a fighter since he has all these 'easy' techniques that you claimed that he can learned, but he doesn't used them. Wouldn't the Solar Flare be useful when he was trying to play keep away with Super Buu after he absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo? And that pressure point thing is your head canon.

Gohan is subpar, power fighter who has never won a match by skill. He either overpowers his foes by force, or goes down pathetically.

[kinisking]

The After Image (improved it after seeing a double), the Solar Flare, King Chapa's Hasshu-ken (Eight-Arm Fist), the Destructo Disc. Did you watched Dragon Ball? And Gohan did that beam on instinct and he never did it again.

Lol doing something on instinct still requires talent. He was able to do something like that without any sort of training or experience, while Goku couldn't. And do you really think Gohan couldn't easily do all of those? After image is speed, Destructo disk really isn't that special, I don't remember eight arm first, and anyone and their mother can do solar flare. Gohan in ROF seemed to be hitting pressure points too, which takes a lot of skill.

We know Gohan has talent, but he doesn't used it all that well. We have never seen Gohan do even half of those techniques other than the Kamehameha, and he didn't do that much until the Cell Games. You actually highlighted how pathetic Gohan is as a fighter since he has all these 'easy' techniques that you claimed that he can learned, but he doesn't used them. Wouldn't the Solar Flare be useful when he was trying to play keep away with Super Buu after he absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo? And that pressure point thing is your head canon.

Gohan is subpar, power fighter who has never won a match by skill. He either overpowers his foes by force, or goes down pathetically.

The pressure points weren't head canon at all. https://youtu.be/ekdPe9xc5es?t=8m12s. Those are clearly pressure points.Well the Solar Flare would be useful in a ton of situations, but doesn't make the characters use it any more. I mean everthing you said could pretty much apply to vegeta. When has vegeta beaten someone based off pure skill? Vegeta doesn't use those techniques. Doesn't make Vegeta sub par. I mean Gohan's not a genius of fighting like his father, but he isn't horrible.

[HeroR]

The pressure points weren't head canon at all. https://youtu.be/ekdPe9xc5es?t=8m12s. Those are clearly pressure points.Well the Solar Flare would be useful in a ton of situations, but doesn't make the characters use it any more. I mean everthing you said could pretty much apply to vegeta. When has vegeta beaten someone based off pure skill? Vegeta doesn't use those techniques. Doesn't make Vegeta sub par. I mean Gohan's not a genius of fighting like his father, but he isn't horrible.

That's your assumption that he's hitting pressure points, and big deal, most of the Earth fighter does the same thing.

That wasn't your argument. Your argument was that those techniques were easy to learn, so Gohan could learn them, therefore Goku wasn't special for learning them. If they were so easy, Gohan should have pulled them out when he was trying to buy time for Super Buu's fusion to break, much like how Goku used the Solar Flare against Great Ape Vegeta to buy himself time to form the Spirit Bomb. The fact that he may have known these techniques and didn't try them against Super Buu only proves that he's subpar.

Vegeta had beating people equally skilled than him. Zarbon and him second round were almost even with Vegeta having a slight advantage. He won by throwing dirt in his eyes and punching him. Vegeta blew off a chuck of Perfect Cell by taking advantage of Cell's pride in his new body and dared him to take his attack head on. That would have killed Cell if he didn't dodged at the last second. It was his plan and fast thinking with the Dragon Balls that led to the defeat of Kid Buu. Beerus even called Vegeta skilled, but not having the power to back it when he faced him. Using Super, he defeated Magetta by destroy part of the ring instead of just using pure power since (although he did used the Final Flash to stun him). As Goku pointed out, the fight would have ended quickly if Vegeta just became a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Vegeta's biggest problem is that he's a hothead who doesn't think ahead when upset. And, even when badly outmatched, Vegeta at least puts up a decent fight before going down in flames like with the first Zarbon fight, Recoome, Android 18, Perfect Cell, Fat Buu, and Beerus. Gohan just tend to go down in flames like with Recoome and Super Buu.

As for Vegeta copying techniques, the only technique Vegeta has shown to copy is the Destructo Disk and being able to sense energies. He has never shown the same copy ability as Goku or even Tien. Also, Vegeta tend to focus and invent techniques that creates bigger explosions.

I never called Gohan horrible. He is subpar, as in a mediocre to average fighter whose only redeeming trait is that he's extremely strong and can become the strongest if he actually tries instead of getting free power-ups. The humans characters with Gohan's talent would make better used of it than Gohan has shown.

[MozillaVulpix]

I still think Kid Trunks might be relevant later on, even if it's in a small role. There was that whole "him getting jealous of Future Trunks" subplot. And I thought that might not have led to anything, but I've been more hopeful when I saw he was the one who first found Goku and co. once they re-arrive from the future. The fact that him, Bulma and the Pilaf Gang are the only characters actively involved in what's going on (besides the gods) makes me think they were chosen for a reason.

[alakazam^]

It's possible Trunks will benefit from his future self's visit after he leaves. Toriyama could use future Trunks' visit as an excuse to have Bloomer pregnant with Bra and have Trunks want to train a little or something.

I'm curious on what story will come next, if there'll be any change to the characters.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I still think Kid Trunks might be relevant later on, even if it's in a small role. There was that whole "him getting jealous of Future Trunks" subplot. And I thought that might not have led to anything, but I've been more hopeful when I saw he was the one who first found Goku and co. once they re-arrive from the future. The fact that him, Bulma and the Pilaf Gang are the only characters actively involved in what's going on (besides the gods) makes me think they were chosen for a reason.

Ehh. His choices for the Z fighter fight in "F" were a bit random with some nostalgia thrown in. I wouldn't be surprised if they were included because Future Mai so must have Pilaf gang. Bulma to fix the time machine and you must have Kid Trunks.

[Bullza]

They should keep Future Trunks around permanently. He's a good character and a popular character who already disappeared once for years and people always wanted to see him come back. He's back finally so why get rid of him a second time?

Let the villains have some victory where they destroy Trunks' Earth or Universe or even his Timeline and then just have Trunks and Mai come and live in the main timeline together and be apart of the main cast. Does he really need to go back and rebuild Earth, "live in peace" and go out of the series for a second time?

Especially with Gohan not doing squat nowadays and with Trunks being the only one aside from Goku and Vegeta to have any worthwhile power, he should stay.

[Krillin1994]

I know it's disappointing, I really do. But, they don't want to write Gohan in the story. I've thought about it and I think they just don't know how to write Gohan into the story. His role was supposed to be taking over Goku's but now that that's not an option where does it leave him? Toriyama has made a character that's supposed to be smarter and much more powerful than Goku. Think about it, if Gohan stood up to the plate, where would that leave Goku and Vegeta? In the dust. Goku is the main character and he's supposed to be special and winning all the major battles. However that wouldn't make any sense if he had an ally that's much stronger than him. You can't keep making Gohan make the same mistake of getting cocky either because then it's just disrespectful to the character. I mean, he's supposed to be smart ffs. It worked when he was a kid, but not anymore. Akira Toriyama has an amazing way of tying things together, and he was able to use the fact that Gohan wanted to be a scholar (honestly, when he first wrote that he probably just thought it would be funny to have the son of Goku wanting to be a scholar) as a way of sidelining him for good. I think Akira jsut regrets making the half saiyans at this point. With Future Trunks, it's much easier to write him into the story. Even if he does surpass Goku and Vegeta, he's going to be there for like one arc and then leave. They don't have to worry about anything. That's at least how I see it.

Gohan was only shown to be smarter than Goku in education. In a fighting sense, he had always been subpar. Gohan is basically dumb muscle compared to Goku when it comes to fighting.

He was never shown to be worse than average. He was no genius, but subpar? How? Also, he never really had a chance to prove himself. He was pretty young everytime he fought, besides for the boo saga where he was rusty as hell.

It wasn't so much that he was rusty in the Buu saga in his fight against Dabura (which I love) he was quite idiotic in that he kept doing head on attacks.