The Harmony Gold Dub & Broadcast Audio Discussion Thread

DerekPadula · Post by **DerekPadula** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:48 am

Another source is not likely to exist within Japan.

The reason Kei has the original broadcast audio tapes for the entire series is because fans across Japan sent the tapes to him. And the reason they sent the tapes to him is because he promised them that he would deliver the audio files and perhaps the actual tapes to FUNimation. The reason he promised the fans this is because I told him Christopher Sabat agreed to take the tapes and store them in FUNimation's vault and was excited to receive the audio.

What I told him is true back then and it's still true now. Sabat still wants the audio and the tapes. In fact, three months ago, Kei was excited to send the audio to him. However, he then received a bunch of new tapes in the mail that had even higher quality audio than what he had previously recorded for many of the episodes. Kei asked me if he should record these new audio files to replace the existing ones before he sends the audio collection to Sabat on a big hard drive. I asked how long it would take, and stated that if it only takes a couple more weeks, then sure, record the new audio and then send it. Because what's a couple more weeks in this 5-year-long project?

Unfortunately, afterward, Kei ceased all communication.

As I understand it, what this means is that Kei still wants to send the audio (likely not the tapes themselves), but has become caught up in something or other that makes it impossible for him to do so.

Now, with that said, I can't think of any possible excuse for failing to respond to over a dozen emails, tweets, and an international mailing direct to his house, pleading for communication of some sort.

On second thought, the only logical excuse is that Kei is in fact a secret agent for the Japanese government, and he is currently on assignment to thwart the destruction of Tokyo!

To reiterate the goal of this project: We cannot control what FUNimation does with the audio. Perhaps it will lead to the eventual end of a new release with the original audio. But if nothing else, it will lead to the saving of a piece of Dragon Ball history. Far better they be stored at FUNimation than the closets and basements of Japanese homes, where they will rot or be destroyed by earthquakes and Gojira.

genjosanzo8 · Post by **genjosanzo8** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:39 am

i really don't know more than you (and what i know is what you said me) and i am not close to kei and don't know what it mean, i hope kei will answer to you but maybe he could have give these tapes them on his own to Funimation, or maybe he has personal trouble
just hope he answer

what i was saying was only to those who want the audio to be public by sharing audio on internet and pm insistantly kei for that.

DBZimran · Post by **DBZimran** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:43 am

DerekPadula wrote:
Unfortunately, afterward, Kei ceased all communication.

As I understand it, what this means is that Kei still wants to send the audio (likely not the tapes themselves), but has become caught up in something or other that makes it impossible for him to do so.

Now, with that said, I can't think of any possible excuse for failing to respond to over a dozen emails, tweets, and an international mailing direct to his house, pleading for communication of some sort.

I seem to remember reading your posts a while ago stating that Sabat was interested in the tapes. It is interesting to know that Kei received new better versions. I would just love to receive any updates from Kei. He seems to still visit the forums, I bet he is reading this very post. I agree with the majority of 'sensible' people on this thread. We should be patient and wait for the news that Kei17 has done the right thing with the tapes he has been entrusted with. Derek have you actually sent physical letters to his home?! If you do hear back from him then kindly let us know.

DB1984 · Post by **DB1984** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:30 pm

Danfun64 wrote:I use Avidemux and Shotcut for my video editing needs. Both are free.

I tried that to move the preview and end credits to their proper locations, and preserve picture quality, but it was no use. The subtitle track went missing. The subtitle track is NOT hard-coded.

TVfan721 · Post by **TVfan721** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:43 pm

DerekPadula wrote:Another source is not likely to exist within Japan.

The reason Kei has the original broadcast audio tapes for the entire series is because fans across Japan sent the tapes to him. And the reason they sent the tapes to him is because he promised them that he would deliver the audio files and perhaps the actual tapes to FUNimation. The reason he promised the fans this is because I told him Christopher Sabat agreed to take the tapes and store them in FUNimation's vault and was excited to receive the audio.

Kei lives in Japan himself and taped the entire series off of television when it first aired in Japan. He got the original audio himself, no one sent it to him.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:59 pm

tvfan721 wrote:
DerekPadula wrote:Another source is not likely to exist within Japan.

The reason Kei has the original broadcast audio tapes for the entire series is because fans across Japan sent the tapes to him. And the reason they sent the tapes to him is because he promised them that he would deliver the audio files and perhaps the actual tapes to FUNimation. The reason he promised the fans this is because I told him Christopher Sabat agreed to take the tapes and store them in FUNimation's vault and was excited to receive the audio.

Kei lives in Japan himself and taped the entire series off of television when it first aired in Japan. He got the original audio himself, no one sent it to him.

Do you even know who you're talking to? If you did, you wouldn't have objected so blatantly. This is someone who spends a significant piece of his life devoted to the series, and us, by proxy. He is probably the best living record of any and all things Dragon Ball. I wouldn't try to call him out on something that you don't know the history of.

TVfan721 · Post by **TVfan721** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:08 pm

Yes I agree, Kei is probably the best living record of any and all things Dragon Ball (assuming that's who you're referring to) I'm simply stating what Kei has said in the past.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:10 pm

tvfan721 wrote:Yes I agree, Kei is probably the best living record of any and all things Dragon Ball (assuming that's who you're referring to) I'm simply stating what Kei has said in the past.

I was talking about Derek Padula, the person he was responding to. Kei's more of a living record in the sense that he has such an amazing collection at his disposal.

TVfan721 · Post by **TVfan721** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:19 pm

Derek Padula is a priceless gem when it comes to this community as well, no question about it.

But for me, Kei was THE reason why I've followed this community for so many years. The guy is a genius and knows everything about every dub and was a countless source of information. I miss his posts here

And no disrespect to Derek but Kei has stated that on this forum in the past. (Lives in Japan and recorded the whole series original broadcast on betamax) Not sure why Derek was given a different story, can't comment because I don't know!

DerekPadula · Post by **DerekPadula** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:57 am

Kei did have his own collection of tapes prior to this project, and those are what he used as a showcase for the difference in audio quality. However, his collection was incomplete, and many of the tapes were not as high quality as what he has now.

The other fans in Japan refused to donate their personal collections to Kei just because he wanted to have them. The only reason they changed their minds and sent their collections to Kei is because he was working with me to reach Christopher Sabat. Sabat's involvement established enough trust with the Japanese fans that they were convinced their tapes would be of more use to Kei and the global fan community than to themselves. As a result, Kei's collection is now complete.

All that remains is for Kei to pass the ball down the field to our wide-open receiver in Texas.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:04 am

DerekPadula wrote:Kei did have his own collection of tapes prior to this project, and those are what he used as a showcase for the difference in audio quality. However, his collection was incomplete, and many of the tapes were not as high quality as what he has now.

The other fans in Japan refused to donate their personal collections to Kei just because he wanted to have them. The only reason they changed their minds and sent their collections to Kei is because he was working with me to reach Christopher Sabat. Sabat's involvement established enough trust with the Japanese fans that they were convinced their tapes would be of more use to Kei and the global fan community than to themselves. As a result, Kei's collection is now complete.

All that remains is for Kei to pass the ball down the field to our wide-open receiver in Texas.

Is there some legal issue involved? I'd hate it if that's what's holding Kei up.

Even assuming that the audio is successfully delivered, I don't think I can bring myself to trust Funimation to use it productively. I'd hate to see an "Orange Bricks 3.0" with great audio and the whole image put through a purple-only light filter, flipped 20 degrees counterclockwise, and roasted for 3 hours in a microwave oven.

genjosanzo8 · Post by **genjosanzo8** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:28 am

tvfan721 wrote:
DerekPadula wrote:Another source is not likely to exist within Japan.

The reason Kei has the original broadcast audio tapes for the entire series is because fans across Japan sent the tapes to him. And the reason they sent the tapes to him is because he promised them that he would deliver the audio files and perhaps the actual tapes to FUNimation. The reason he promised the fans this is because I told him Christopher Sabat agreed to take the tapes and store them in FUNimation's vault and was excited to receive the audio.

Kei lives in Japan himself and taped the entire series off of television when it first aired in Japan. He got the original audio himself, no one sent it to him.

Kei never had the whole series himself, he said himself that he was only 1-7 of dragon ball and the whole dbz, he even create a website with mail adresse to contact him for collecting the whole things..more than that he was needed differrent region recording because of some bleep in audio and other things. so not even if he begin the things, even if he do lot of work research, collect etc... His collection is the result of cooperation

Maybe kei just didn't finish to record the new tapes (problem personnal or other things that can caused this delay)... kei isn't the type of man who give justification to people just because they ask. surely with some betrayal and boring things about broadcast audio and rare stuff make kei very very distant from here so maybe he didn't even read pm

i just hope that kei will contact derek because of his implication in this project

DerekPadula · Post by **DerekPadula** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:41 am

I don't believe there's a legal issue, since the tapes aren't being sold, just donated. And if there were, then Kei should have said something. Whether or not FUNimation can use the audio from the tapes is up to their legal team and Toei.

It is possible that he's been too busy to record the audio from the new tapes, but I don't see how anybody could be too busy to write a few words into an email or tweet over a three month period.

I also hope Kei contacts me. Short of flying to Japan and knocking on his door to handle this on my own, there's little I can do but be patient. The (dragon) ball is in Kei's court.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:43 am

genjosanzo8 wrote:
tvfan721 wrote:
DerekPadula wrote:Another source is not likely to exist within Japan.

The reason Kei has the original broadcast audio tapes for the entire series is because fans across Japan sent the tapes to him. And the reason they sent the tapes to him is because he promised them that he would deliver the audio files and perhaps the actual tapes to FUNimation. The reason he promised the fans this is because I told him Christopher Sabat agreed to take the tapes and store them in FUNimation's vault and was excited to receive the audio.

Kei lives in Japan himself and taped the entire series off of television when it first aired in Japan. He got the original audio himself, no one sent it to him.
Kei never had the whole series himself, he said himself that he was only 1-7 of dragon ball and the whole dbz, he even create a website with mail adresse to contact him for collecting the whole things..more than that he was needed differrent region recording because of some bleep in audio and other things. so not even if he begin the things, even if he do lot of work research, collect etc... His collection is the result of cooperation

Maybe kei just didn't finish to record the new tapes (problem personnal or other things that can caused this delay)... kei isn't the type of man who give justification to people just because they ask. surely with some betrayal and boring things about broadcast audio and rare stuff make kei very very distant from here so maybe he didn't even read pm

i just hope that kei will contact derek because of his implication in this project

It's something we all want, I actively worry about whether or not it will ever be completed. I don't want to finish my collection now if something better would be available within a few years.

genjosanzo8 · Post by **genjosanzo8** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:48 am

the same, i even working on a color correction to sync the audio in case where funi didn't release proper video (16/9 or uncorrected color) to have my own ultimate version i will watch and see with my children in the future but i know that even if Funi own these tapes in the future and didn't use them, broadcast audio will never be share in public

we cannot buy them because kei is the only one to have them
we cannot trade them because kei will not trade this (and kei will never read pm by unknown person)
so our only chance is a Funi release...else it will remain private forever

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:53 am

genjosanzo8 wrote:the same, i even working on a color correction to sync the audio in case where funi didn't release proper video (16/9 or uncorrected color) to have my own ultimate version i will watch and see with my children in the future but i know that even if Funi own these tapes in the future and didn't use them, broadcast audio will never be share in public

I'd even be fine if I knew it wasn't happening, because then I can choose my purchase knowing that I'm not missing out on a "perfect release" later on. I'd be disappointed that I never got the better sound, but I'd sleep better at night knowing that I didn't waste my money.

genjosanzo8 · Post by **genjosanzo8** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:27 am

For me it is differrent.
Hokuto no ken and saint seiya for example have the same audio issue BUT never heard about people which have collect broadcast audio, for me these audio are lost because no one have the complete record so i'm fine with it, it is impossible to get
but Dragon ball it is sensitively differrent...

kei had collected them like us at the beginning (even if he already had most of these audio because he is japanese and can access to them easyer than us he was missing things that he obtain from other so i am sure even if it is boring to have pm and people asking he can understand why we want these audio

)
if kei talk from the start that nothing will never be released it is sure better to never talk about these audio and things will have be like for other series. we have made a reason.. but not, There is HOPE to see an official release, and never told publicly that he will never give them so as long as there is hope and nothing release he will be annoying by people who discover recently the audio and didn't know anything about it or why he didn't release them (like me some time ago).

If it was a thing anyone can did himself like color correction i will never ask nothing sure, but the problem is that the only one to have them is kei so it is impossible to collect broadcast audio without talking to kei.

The only thing that kei can be blame is not from his choice to trying to make things legal or to didn't give audio to everyone, it is just the lack of information even for those which are involve with him.
but talking about broadcast audio and funimation project and don't communicate with other anymore (even with the one involve now) is like starting a giant fire and let him burn everything.

I sure understand what you can feel for the boring pm and other things but we are all fan which just dream to see the better version and keep dragon ball alive for times with better quality possible.
it is sad that betrayal make you loose the passion to talk like you did before when some of us was not there and didn't have the luck to talk to the living greatest dragon ball archivist...

may the force be with you kei

jelleline89 · Post by **jelleline89** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:35 am

I'm not too confident Toei would let them use this audio. The initial problem for FUNi will be making Toei understand why they want to use Kei's audio over the official audio copies. You might think that's easy, but I recall FUNi having trouble explaining to Toei why they wanted to sell merchandise with the "over 9000!" slogan instead of using the correct 8000. And if they are able to clearly explain why, Toei might be fickle about letting North America have a better audio source than anything Japan currently has. If there's anything I know, dubbing companies are usually obligated to work with official materials only. Hopefully I'm wrong and we can see this audio one day. FUNi definitely wants it but I'm not too sure Toei will be as considerate.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:51 am

[quote="DerekPadula]Short of flying to Japan and knocking on his door to handle this on my own, there's little I can do but be patient. The (dragon) ball is in Kei's court.[/quote]

I'd donate money for you to fly out there, and I'm sure others would, too!

genjosanzo8 · Post by **genjosanzo8** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:52 am

jelleline89 wrote:I'm not too confident Toei would let them use this audio. The initial problem for FUNi will be making Toei understand why they want to use Kei's audio over the official audio copies. You might think that's easy, but I recall FUNi having trouble explaining to Toei why they wanted to sell merchandise with the "over 9000!" slogan instead of using the correct 8000. And if they are able to clearly explain why, Toei might be fickle about letting North America have a better audio source than anything Japan currently has. If there's anything I know, dubbing companies are usually obligated to work with official materials only. Hopefully I'm wrong and we can see this audio one day. FUNi definitely wants it but I'm not too sure Toei will be as considerate.

Toei use and have Funi Remaster seasons HD footage (same for movies) so i think they will not care about it as long as funi remaster audio and video on their own (and Toei could have a copy after that)
I really think that Toei didn't use kei's audio only because remaster have a cost and they didn't want to did it...
So as long as another did it it and can have access to it they will not care about...

There is two problem for us to can have them
- Kei give news and finish work to give audio to Funimation
- Funimation choose to use it (they can just keep this for them only)

there is no chance for us to have them elseway

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