"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:10 pm

Man there is a lot still to cover. Presumably he'll skip over the fluff stuff and this months chapter will be about Zamasu visit. October's chapter will probably cover the future fight. Then November will probably cover the current crop of exposition the anime is going to endure and December-Jan will cover the finale. Which I think is fine since I can't see the next big arc starting until Jan-ish in the anime.

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Post by Xeztin » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:36 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Man there is a lot still to cover. Presumably he'll skip over the fluff stuff and this months chapter will be about Zamasu visit. October's chapter will probably cover the future fight. Then November will probably cover the current crop of exposition the anime is going to endure and December-Jan will cover the finale. Which I think is fine since I can't see the next big arc starting until Jan-ish in the anime.
I think it'll cover the visit to Zamasu and Omni-King in about 10-15 pages and the rest will jump straight to the future but Black won't turn SSR until the end of the chapter.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:23 pm

Xeztin wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Man there is a lot still to cover. Presumably he'll skip over the fluff stuff and this months chapter will be about Zamasu visit. October's chapter will probably cover the future fight. Then November will probably cover the current crop of exposition the anime is going to endure and December-Jan will cover the finale. Which I think is fine since I can't see the next big arc starting until Jan-ish in the anime.
I think it'll cover the visit to Zamasu and Omni-King in about 10-15 pages and the rest will jump straight to the future but Black won't turn SSR until the end of the chapter.
Yeah that wouldn't be too bad, I guess that leaves a whole chapter dedicated to the future fight next month!

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Post by THEGOKU » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:24 pm

Xeztin wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Man there is a lot still to cover. Presumably he'll skip over the fluff stuff and this months chapter will be about Zamasu visit. October's chapter will probably cover the future fight. Then November will probably cover the current crop of exposition the anime is going to endure and December-Jan will cover the finale. Which I think is fine since I can't see the next big arc starting until Jan-ish in the anime.
I think it'll cover the visit to Zamasu and Omni-King in about 10-15 pages and the rest will jump straight to the future but Black won't turn SSR until the end of the chapter.
I can see it playing out this way especially that it would have a perfect ending for the manga with his SSJ Rose transformation. Of course he could also mix things up and reveal different information how he did before too. I would imagine he has to also feature Zamasu on the dinosaur planet that's an important part for his character that can't be left out.

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Post by samuo2 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:38 pm

Chuquita wrote:Anyone know if the second volume's release date is in December? I read it was, but couldn't find an actual listing on cdjapan.
It's normal, the only time we talked about the second volume release was when somebody mentionned a rumor popped on "the French forum".

The member of this forum is mysterious, he popped only to announce date about the manga release, and several months later they are confirmed. I don't know his sources, but it seems solid and legit.

His last announce about the second volume of Dragon Ball Super was December the fourth.
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Post by Chuquita » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:55 pm

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Chuquita wrote:Anyone know if the second volume's release date is in December? I read it was, but couldn't find an actual listing on cdjapan.
It's normal, the only time we talked about the second volume release was when somebody mentionned a rumor popped on "the French forum".

The member of this forum is mysterious, he popped only to announce date about the manga release, and several months later they are confirmed. I don't know his sources, but it seems solid and legit.

His last announce about the second volume of Dragon Ball Super was December the fourth.

Many thanks! I'll check cdjapan and amazon.co.jp periodically then.
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Post by Xeztin » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:23 pm

Does anyone else dislike the typeset font viz uses for the titles of the manga?

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Post by Noah » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:41 pm

Any chance of in the next chapter we have: Goku vs Black, Zamasu vs Goku and Trunks vs Vegeta? And of course more explanation about who is Zamasu, how Black gets stronger through the pain and Trunks's power?
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Post by LightBing » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:57 pm

Noah wrote:Any chance of in the next chapter we have: Goku vs Black, Zamasu vs Goku and Trunks vs Vegeta? And of course more explanation about who is Zamasu, how Black gets stronger through the pain and Trunks's power?
That's way too many fight's for a single chapter. Knowing Toyotarõ, he will likely give focus to Goku vs Black. Trunks vs Vegeta if happening in the manga, it should be fairly quick.
Since this arc the manga is going slowly, I predict the next chapter to end right after or before Zamasu's fight (maybe with Zamasu's introduction).

Can't wait for the next chapter! The only reason I anticipate the anime more than this is because the anime is brand new material.

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Post by Neon Z » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:58 pm

I think the next chapter will be Goku vs Black with some of the in-between stuff at the end (like a comment about Gohan not being a warrior anymore, but without an actual visit). I also expect Vegeta to train Trunks and for the manga to leave it more vague how long they train, rather than clearly making it a single battle like in the anime. Maybe the chapter will end with Goku meeting Zamasu, but Zamasu vs Goku would be only in the following month, alongside the group returning to the future.

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Post by alakazam^ » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:37 am

TheMikado wrote:I'm not sure if you actually read my entry into the conversation or are just reacting. My original comment was in response to showing that Toriyama tended to procrastinate to very late. My comment was that I failed to see how it dispelled the narrative of Toriyama being lazy and it didn't. That said, claiming that Toriyama is a better/ more disiplined artist is also a fallacy we we don't know the time Toyotarou puts into his craft and honing his skills. All I'm saying is that trying to glean anything about the capabilities of either artist based on the frequency of their publications is a ridiculous proposition. If I make a million works of art under a tight schedule does that make me better than Michelangelo? That's NOT how artistic creation works. My specific thing that I did say is that NOT actively honing your skills of working to your craft which your are actively paid on a schedule to do, Could be considered lazy. Especially compared to other industries or even possibly within that industry compared to other artists.

None of what I said demeans produced work other than its possible that Toriyama might have been able to produce better work if he were more disciplined. That's it. Nothing more. Oh I also said we don't know Toyotaro work ethic or dedication to his work and craft.
What I remember is people comparing Toyotarou's skill to Toriyama's and you popping in talking about Toriyama's laziness, which I didn't think was relevant to the conversation.

Of course people can say Toriyama is a better artist than Toyotarou, even though that's subjective, because they are comparing the work both put out. Both are/were paid, Toriyama had less time and put out more work than Toyotarou, people like Toriyama's best, so Toriyama "comes on top". We don't need to know the effort Toyotarou puts into the manga because he's expected to bring his A game, and some people don't feel it measures up to Toriyama.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:34 pm

So on a more upbeat note, we should be seeing the manga version of the first Black bout this week. Probably the most interesting part of the manga, is it seems to do things either a little differently or a lot differently.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:55 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:So on a more upbeat note, we should be seeing the manga version of the first Black bout this week. Probably the most interesting part of the manga, is it seems to do things either a little differently or a lot differently.
Super Saiyan God Goku vs Black is gonna be kewl, I just know it.
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Post by THEGOKU » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:03 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:So on a more upbeat note, we should be seeing the manga version of the first Black bout this week. Probably the most interesting part of the manga, is it seems to do things either a little differently or a lot differently.
Super Saiyan God Goku vs Black is gonna be kewl, I just know it.
Hmm I can see that or a bout of SSJ3 Goku Vs Black since the manga does like to do things differently. Maybe when Black gets sent back because of the time ring he will give a inner monologue about how he gets stronger through pain as it seems he did in the anime.

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Post by LightBing » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:42 pm

Will we see Mastered SSJ3 from Goku? :)
Just kidding, contrary to SSJ2, SSJ3 is flawed by design contrary to former which was never given a weakness.

I wouldn't be surprised if Toyotarõ uses a lot of time in this chapter to explain Black's ability, to give Rosé and Zamasu vs the Saiyans huge focus.

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Post by THEGOKU » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:46 pm

LightBing wrote:Will we see Mastered SSJ3 from Goku? :)
Just kidding, contrary to SSJ2, SSJ3 is flawed by design contrary to former which was never given a weakness.

I wouldn't be surprised if Toyotarõ uses a lot of time in this chapter to explain Black's ability, to give Rosé and Zamasu vs the Saiyans huge focus.
Just because I am not sure what you meant about SSJ3 being flawed would you mind explaining what you mean? Also given that the manga has time to get more in depth we could even get Black training and becoming SSJ Rose.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:49 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:So on a more upbeat note, we should be seeing the manga version of the first Black bout this week. Probably the most interesting part of the manga, is it seems to do things either a little differently or a lot differently.
Considering the anime is now miles ahead I think he'll try and be different where possible so people don't lose interest.
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LightBing wrote:Will we see Mastered SSJ3 from Goku? :)
Just kidding, contrary to SSJ2, SSJ3 is flawed by design contrary to former which was never given a weakness.

I wouldn't be surprised if Toyotarõ uses a lot of time in this chapter to explain Black's ability, to give Rosé and Zamasu vs the Saiyans huge focus.
Just because I am not sure what you meant about SSJ3 being flawed would you mind explaining what you mean? Also given that the manga has time to get more in depth we could even get Black training and becoming SSJ Rose.
The Manga is so far behind I don't think it needs to that would be waste, I think we got enough information about Rosé without needing anymore exposition on it.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:00 pm

THEGOKU wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:So on a more upbeat note, we should be seeing the manga version of the first Black bout this week. Probably the most interesting part of the manga, is it seems to do things either a little differently or a lot differently.
Super Saiyan God Goku vs Black is gonna be kewl, I just know it.
Hmm I can see that or a bout of SSJ3 Goku Vs Black since the manga does like to do things differently. Maybe when Black gets sent back because of the time ring he will give a inner monologue about how he gets stronger through pain as it seems he did in the anime.
Trunks already said that his near SS3 Goku level power was worthless fodder to Black, meaning Goku will probably use SSGod to fight him. This already makes Black getting God Ki a helluva lot more plausible and sensible than in the anime where he just fights SS2 Goku.
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Post by TheMikado » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:53 pm

alakazam^ wrote:
TheMikado wrote:I'm not sure if you actually read my entry into the conversation or are just reacting. My original comment was in response to showing that Toriyama tended to procrastinate to very late. My comment was that I failed to see how it dispelled the narrative of Toriyama being lazy and it didn't. That said, claiming that Toriyama is a better/ more disiplined artist is also a fallacy we we don't know the time Toyotarou puts into his craft and honing his skills. All I'm saying is that trying to glean anything about the capabilities of either artist based on the frequency of their publications is a ridiculous proposition. If I make a million works of art under a tight schedule does that make me better than Michelangelo? That's NOT how artistic creation works. My specific thing that I did say is that NOT actively honing your skills of working to your craft which your are actively paid on a schedule to do, Could be considered lazy. Especially compared to other industries or even possibly within that industry compared to other artists.

None of what I said demeans produced work other than its possible that Toriyama might have been able to produce better work if he were more disciplined. That's it. Nothing more. Oh I also said we don't know Toyotaro work ethic or dedication to his work and craft.
What I remember is people comparing Toyotarou's skill to Toriyama's and you popping in talking about Toriyama's laziness, which I didn't think was relevant to the conversation.

Of course people can say Toriyama is a better artist than Toyotarou, even though that's subjective, because they are comparing the work both put out. Both are/were paid, Toriyama had less time and put out more work than Toyotarou, people like Toriyama's best, so Toriyama "comes on top". We don't need to know the effort Toyotarou puts into the manga because he's expected to bring his A game, and some people don't feel it measures up to Toriyama.
I didn't start that conversation at all, get your facts straight. Nor did I say one was better than the other. Seriously what is your problem?????? I know Toriyama is God around here but all I said was there's a chance he didn't put as much time or work or practice into his manga especially when he admits to that himself! That's all. My entire point is that there's a chance that he didn't do his best work because he by his own admission doesn't seem to be very disciplined. AT NO POINT DID I SAY TORIYAMA WAS A WORSE ARTIST OR A BAD ARTIST. Serious what's your people's problem and obsession with Toriyama!?!?

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Post by LightBing » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:57 pm

THEGOKU wrote:
LightBing wrote:Will we see Mastered SSJ3 from Goku? :)
Just kidding, contrary to SSJ2, SSJ3 is flawed by design contrary to former which was never given a weakness.

I wouldn't be surprised if Toyotarõ uses a lot of time in this chapter to explain Black's ability, to give Rosé and Zamasu vs the Saiyans huge focus.
Just because I am not sure what you meant about SSJ3 being flawed would you mind explaining what you mean? Also given that the manga has time to get more in depth we could even get Black training and becoming SSJ Rose.
SSJ3 drains energy at a high rate, we're told this by Goku in the Boo Arc and we see the flaw in the final fight. Comparatively, SSJ2 was never given any weakness, it's a simply superior SSJ.
I doubt the manga will show any of Goku Black's training, if it even exists. It might go into detail regarding his ability's, that's what I want honestly.

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