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One more episode is better than no more episodes!TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Only for one more episode. I'm not really sure that's worth celebrating.
But seriously, I hope the next one is good too. Another Keytalk one would be cool (I love Starring Star).
It could be sure. But they've already basically made everything stick so closely together it would feel a bit odd if they suddenly jumped to EoZ. I think we won't see EoZ until a few years tbh. I personally don't mind when we get EoZ as long as they do something interesting with it.ArchedThunder wrote:The tournament could be after the end of Z.Baggie_Saiyan wrote: I still think EoZ will be a bit too soon. We've only had two arcs so far plus the promise of the Sadala trip and the Omniverse tournament thingy. Think it's gonna be a while until they get to EoZ.
In fact I would prefer it to be, since then Pan and Uub could compete.
Has the next animation been announced?Chuquita wrote:I hope the next ending animation has a fun to look at theme like the current one does. I like how it switches back and forth from limited to full color.
Not yet, but it will start on episode 60 so it'll be announced soon.Xeztin wrote:Has the next animation been announced?Chuquita wrote:I hope the next ending animation has a fun to look at theme like the current one does. I like how it switches back and forth from limited to full color.
No. Enough of slice of life episodes or conflicting filler arcs, I want that Black Arc leads to something important after it's finish, maybe a war or the Multiuniversal Tournament, whatever, I had enough of this Super "sit-down" thing between the arcs.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:So post Black arc would ya'll prefer a mini- (filler) arc & a bunch of Slice of life episodes. (Like we had preBlack)
Or would you prefer it if we dived in? Honestly I prefer the mini arcs and slice of life, Fairy Tail usually does it before/after every big arc, I think it really does help let everything wind down and sink in before jumping into the next big arc. Plus I really do enjoy Super and it's slice of life episodes.
Unless if we go beyond the 28th TB, which is unlikely, we won't get any serious, long conflicts like the ones with Piccolo Daimao, Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, and Majin Boo, since we are supposed to have 10 years of "fragile" peace. The Beerus & Golden Freeza conflicts lasted an afternoon each, and the Goku Black & Zamasu conflict takes place mainly in the future world.Noah wrote:No. Enough of slice of life episodes or conflicting filler arcs, I want that Black Arc leads to something important after it's finish, maybe a war or the Multiuniversal Tournament, whatever, I had enough of this Super "sit-down" thing between the arcs.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:So post Black arc would ya'll prefer a mini- (filler) arc & a bunch of Slice of life episodes. (Like we had preBlack)
Or would you prefer it if we dived in? Honestly I prefer the mini arcs and slice of life, Fairy Tail usually does it before/after every big arc, I think it really does help let everything wind down and sink in before jumping into the next big arc. Plus I really do enjoy Super and it's slice of life episodes.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
No. The Future Trunks Saga was finished back in Feburary. The U6 and U7 tourument barely started and didn't finish until April. They didn't need 'filler' to buy time.Bullza wrote:Don't they only have these "filler slice of life arcs" in order to give Toriyama time to write out the next plot outline?
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Because Toriyama said he didn't want to write past EOZ because the characters are too old.ArchedThunder wrote:I don't know why so many people think there's no way we go past the end of Z, or if we do it won't be for a long time.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Because last time he spoke about that, Toriyama said that he wants to stay in an era where everyone is in their prime, instead of an era where everyone is old. So unless he changes his mind, which is still very possible, we won't go beyond that era.ArchedThunder wrote:I don't know why so many people think there's no way we go past the end of Z, or if we do it won't be for a long time.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Toriyama said that before introducing plot elements like Saiyans staying in their prime until they're in their 80s and pretty much phasing out most of the human cast and we've already seen a Future Bulma in Super that is 17 years older than current Bulma and the only real visual difference in age is that she has a wrinkle by her mouth. The "characters are too old" thing isn't relevant anymore.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Because last time he spoke about that, Toriyama said that he wants to stay in an era where everyone is in their prime, instead of an era where everyone is old. So unless he changes his mind, which is still very possible, we won't go beyond that era.ArchedThunder wrote:I don't know why so many people think there's no way we go past the end of Z, or if we do it won't be for a long time.
Toriyama chose this era in 2013 for Battle of Gods, while the fact that Saiyans stay in their prime for a long time was first stated in the chapter 518 of the manga in 1995, and was again repeated by Toriyama in interviews from 2005 & 2014. He went one year later for FnF, and the next 2 arcs (along with the next one, most likely) happened in that same year, so it seems like he wants to stick in this era for the time being, and doesn't plan to go far beyond it since he wants to keep Goku & Vegeta below Beerus at the moment. He also said that he doesn't want to tell new stories beyond the end of the manga back in 2003:ArchedThunder wrote:Toriyama said that before introducing plot elements like Saiyans staying in their prime until they're in their 80s
Again, this may change, but for now I wouldn't expect going beyond the end of the manga.— The “Dragon Ball” kanzenban have brought in new readers, and I think that as fans it’s only natural that they’d want to see a new “Dragon Ball Z” title. What would you think about making a new anime work about once a year or so?
Toriyama: Oh, I’d like to see that.
Nakatsuru: But by the final chapter, Goku had gotten pretty old. And even after that he was the main character for the anime-original “Dragon Ball GT”. If we’re going to be making stories left and right here, maybe we should rewind time a bit and make them stories set sometime in the past.
Toriyama: I think so too. Instead of continuing the story further and further into the future, it’d be better to do a separate episode style of story development where you go back in time and go “this sort of enemy was here, and this sort of story”. Just say “it wasn’t in the original work, but this sort of story happened”. Maybe that would be better.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
The explicit age of 80 being when Saiyans leave their prime is new information in Super (which also conveniently gives lots of wiggle room for post Z stories starring Goku and Vegeta), all we knew before was that they aged differently without much detail on the specifics. We're also probably around 8-12 months past F now, since they used the Dragon Balls at the beginning of the Champa arc and a small amount of time has passed since the tournament. The story has been steadily moving along the timeline, it just isn't as readily noticeable because we aren't seeing new Toriyama designs for every character with every arc.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Toriyama chose this era in 2013 for Battle of Gods, while the fact that Saiyans stay in their prime for a long time was first stated in the chapter 518 of the manga in 1995, and was again repeated by Toriyama in interviews from 2005 & 2014. He went one year later for FnF, and the next 2 arcs (along with the next one, most likely) happened in that same year, so it seems like he wants to stick in this era for the time being, and doesn't plan to go far beyond it since he wants to keep Goku & Vegeta below Beerus at the moment. He also said that he doesn't want to tell new stories beyond the end of the manga back in 2003:Again, this may change, but for now I wouldn't expect going beyond the end of the manga.— The “Dragon Ball” kanzenban have brought in new readers, and I think that as fans it’s only natural that they’d want to see a new “Dragon Ball Z” title. What would you think about making a new anime work about once a year or so?
Toriyama: Oh, I’d like to see that.
Nakatsuru: But by the final chapter, Goku had gotten pretty old. And even after that he was the main character for the anime-original “Dragon Ball GT”. If we’re going to be making stories left and right here, maybe we should rewind time a bit and make them stories set sometime in the past.
Toriyama: I think so too. Instead of continuing the story further and further into the future, it’d be better to do a separate episode style of story development where you go back in time and go “this sort of enemy was here, and this sort of story”. Just say “it wasn’t in the original work, but this sort of story happened”. Maybe that would be better.
Knowing the exact age doesn't change anything. Goku & Vegeta still looked young in the end of the manga, and they were going to look young for more years beyond.ArchedThunder wrote:The explicit age of 80 being when Saiyans leave their prime is new information in Super (which also conveniently gives lots of wiggle room for post Z stories starring Goku and Vegeta), all we knew before was that they aged differently without much detail on the specifics.
That was anime-only. In the Super manga, the characters talk about Golden Freeza as a recent event in the beginning of the U6 arc, and they also talk about the tournament as a recent even in the beginning of the Future Trunks arc. Not saying about any of them being more canon than the other, but it appears that Toriyama's intention was to keep these 3 arcs at the same time period, even though Toei changed that (creating a couple of inconsistencies in the process).We're also probably around 8-12 months past F now, since they used the Dragon Balls at the beginning of the Champa arc and a small amount of time has passed since the tournament. The story has been steadily moving along the timeline, it just isn't as readily noticeable because we aren't seeing new Toriyama designs for every character with every arc.
He is literally doing right now what he said he would like to do 13 years later.As for that quote, that came from a time when Toriyama wanted to just be done with Dragon Ball, I don't think you can take what he said about the future of the franchise at that point very seriously, especially if you couple that with his tendency to change his mind and that quote being 13 years old.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
While it's very possible that the current ED ends on 59, that's not confirmed, and we don't know what kind of deal they have - maybe Yoka Yoka Dance is supposed to run for 12 episodes regardless of breaks? That would delay the new ED a couple weeks, which we shouldn't rule out.Anime Kitten wrote:One more episode is better than no more episodes!TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Only for one more episode. I'm not really sure that's worth celebrating.
