Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

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Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by DBZfan2015 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:11 am

Shouldn't the god of destruction worry about people using the dragon balls to wish for eternal life? What if Frieza had made his wish back in the Frieza arc?

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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by ssj4nick » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:24 am

Depends on what type of immortality Porunga would grant . Maybe Frieza could have been killed but he wouldn't die from physical reasons.

Anyway, Toriyama doesn't even care about that and will never think of it so why should we ? :lol:

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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by Nejishiki » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:10 am

If Beerus can seal Old Kaioshin, what's stopping him from punishing others with similar methods? I doubt immortality would stop a Hakaishin. If Freeza annoys him enough, he would get creative, I'm sure. For that matter, does immortality simply mean a soul cannot be judged by Enma? Garlic Jr., our direct example, seems to regenerate his "shell" and it's to be determined what this means for Zamasu, if his status is literal. It's probably worth noting that mortals and gods may mesh with immortality differently. I base this on the latest episode implying trained godly beings have superior benefits compared to the lower beings. It may very well be a "problem" Beerus and his ilk alone need not be concerned with if a wish like that were performed. The interesting question, I think, is what happens when a mortal makes this wish with Super Dragon Balls? It's normally an impossible task to collect them anyway. Setting that aside and considering their power is limitless, it may provide an issue when attempting to best the receiver of the wish. It still falls back into Beerus being able to get creative with punishment though.

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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by DragonBallFoodie » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:01 pm

He's a god of destruction, not (necessarily) a god of death. People will cause destruction longer if they can live for a long time, with that line of logic I don't think he'll be too worried.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by ekrolo2 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:19 pm

I don't think a few people would matter to Beerus, a guy who's job entails destroying entire planets. Now, if an entire universe wished for immortality along with indestructible planets/stars, then he'd have a problem on his hands.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by Lord Frieza » Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:03 pm

Along with what others have said, if Beerus and Champa's little fight is anything to go by the God of Destruction have a power that, if they wanted to or lost control of, could potentially destroy everything and anything. Its the same power Beerus used to turn that egg to ash in the original movie. This "power of destruction" is likely why despite their apparent freedom, the gods of destruction have such heavy limitations placed on them to stop them from abusing their power.

This power could very well negate the magic of the dragon and destroy an immortal person.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by omaro34 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:03 pm

No, wishing for immortality doesn't mean an automatic victory. Look at how Garlic Jr turned out.

As a matter of fact, if Beerus wanted he could torture the person who is immortal to no end, causing torment forever basically; to the point that the immortal person would rather be dead than be alive.

I wouldn't wish that fate on my worst enemy.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by MasterVampire » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:45 pm

Being immortal is a waste against someone stronger

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Post by GodKaio-Ken » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:31 pm

MasterVampire wrote:Being immortal is a waste against someone stronger
Unless you have Zenkai boosts of course. Then it may be the ultimate weapon. I think Beerus would have to be concerned about an immortal Saiyan but not much else.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:27 pm

Beerus' job is to destroy planets, not people.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by apex_pretador » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:30 am

I don't think namekian balls would provide immortality against someone like beerus.
They have limits.

TBH, it is not even clear yet if they can even provide immortality.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by Friezacooler » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:11 am

apex_pretador wrote:I don't think namekian balls would provide immortality against someone like beerus.
They have limits.

TBH, it is not even clear yet if they can even provide immortality.
maybe not earth shenron and namek one but Beerus seems to be above his capability. Super Shenron might able to affect even beerus and above, we will never know lol. Just because the immortality feat hasn't been shown yet doesn't mean the dragons can't grand it. it is freeza's own fault for not speaking Namek. Kami hasn't denied the fact the dragons can grand immortality.

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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by Lionel » Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:56 pm

Immortality isn't necessarily the same as indestructibility. Garlic Jr proved that he could be destroyed if enough force is applied. Freeza's body could be atomised while his soul remains anchored to the living world, wandering aimlessly and regretting his own stupidity thinking he could challenge the god of destruction.

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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by ShadowBardock89 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:08 am

If they use the Super Dragon Balls, he should be concerned.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by Perfectionist-Cell » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:35 pm

Lionel wrote:Immortality isn't necessarily the same as indestructibility. Garlic Jr proved that he could be destroyed if enough force is applied. Freeza's body could be atomised while his soul remains anchored to the living world, wandering aimlessly and regretting his own stupidity thinking he could challenge the god of destruction.

Zamasu is immortal and Trunks stabbed him and it simply healed.

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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by theherodjl » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:43 pm

Lionel wrote:Immortality isn't necessarily the same as indestructibility. Garlic Jr proved that he could be destroyed if enough force is applied. Freeza's body could be atomised while his soul remains anchored to the living world, wandering aimlessly and regretting his own stupidity thinking he could challenge the god of destruction.
Garlic Jr somehow managed to regenerate from having a hole torn through his body if I recall correctly, that may be an additional perk added to the whole "make me immortal!" thing to ensure he cannot physically disappear from the realm of the living.
Zamasu also does this in episode 57 so I think that is proof enough that it wasn't just something limited to Garlic Jr using the Makyo Star or some jargon like that.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by Lionel » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:01 am

The immortality seems to be conceptually similar to Buu's -- i.e. atomise them down to literally nothing and they have nothing to regenerate from. In fairness, this method has yet to be tested on Zamasu.

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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by theherodjl » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:02 pm

Lionel wrote:The immortality seems to be conceptually similar to Buu's -- i.e. atomise them down to literally nothing and they have nothing to regenerate from. In fairness, this method has yet to be tested on Zamasu.
I don't think that's possible, Boo was not actually immortal just extremely difficult to kill so it stands as to why he could be destroyed or "purified" by the Genki Dama and Enma's ruling. An immortal on the other hand is not able to reach the afterlife and cannot exist simply as a soul unless they are dead, so they probably could regenerate endlessly even down past atomic levels if the Dead Zone supposedly does act like a black hole.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:08 pm

theherodjl wrote:
Lionel wrote:The immortality seems to be conceptually similar to Buu's -- i.e. atomise them down to literally nothing and they have nothing to regenerate from. In fairness, this method has yet to be tested on Zamasu.
I don't think that's possible, Boo was not actually immortal just extremely difficult to kill so it stands as to why he could be destroyed or "purified" by the Genki Dama and Enma's ruling. An immortal on the other hand is not able to reach the afterlife and cannot exist simply as a soul unless they are dead, so they probably could regenerate endlessly even down past atomic levels if the Dead Zone supposedly does act like a black hole.
We can't really compare Garlic to Zamasu. The simple fact is that we don't know exactly how this immortality works yet, and you jumping to conclusions doesn't help move any discussion along. In fact, it stifles dialogue when you invent principles out of thin air.
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Re: Should Beerus be concerned about people wishing for immortality?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:08 pm

DBZfan2015 wrote:Shouldn't the god of destruction worry about people using the dragon balls to wish for eternal life? What if Frieza had made his wish back in the Frieza arc?
Why does Beerus care either way?
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