Was Majin Boo The Strongest in All U7 When He Was Born/Created???

[Smilodon]

We know in Super the gap between them is astronomic...Let's say the power scale is Boo = 10, Beerus = 10.000 and Whis = 15.000.
The 14th before generations Kaioshin said that the guy who sealed him in Z sword (Beerus) wasn't strong as Majin Boo. It could be a plot hole (we do have a lot), but if you think...Majin Boo was created a long time ago (maybe millions years) or maybe he exists just in the begining of evverything. Each Kaioshin lives arround 75.000 years. So the old Kaioshin should fought Beerus at arround 1 billion years ago (Beerus could be weaker than Boo at 1 billion years ago like the old Kaioshin said).
Whis also said he trained for 1000 years when Vados said she is stronger than him. And he also trained Beerus.
In Dragon Ball the power scale raise up much fast.
Majin boo never trained and he was sealed for a long time (sealed = no power gain).

So the questions:

- What was the power level of Beerus in 1 billion years ago when he sealed the old Kaioshin? And what was his power when Boo started to kill the Kaioshins (let's say it was 30.000 years ago...So the Kaioshin could be 1.000 years when he fought Boo in first time)? Could Beerus go from 5 to 10.000 ?

- Does Whis exists since 1 billion years ago (like Beerus)? And could he be weaker than Boo in that time? And when Boo was killing the Kaioshins, was Whis weaker than Boo? Maybe in 30.000 years of training (Vados training him and him training alone) he could be from 9 (weaker than Boo) to 15.000 (astronomic stronger)?

[Ash57]

Out-of-universe answer: Toriyama being Toriyama
In-universe answer: I doubt it. Whis was always Beerus's master, so i'm sure he was always strong as hell. Perhaps not as strong as today but i'm sure he was still a good deal above Boo

[Berserker1921]

Probably was. Which makes me think that's probably why beerus didn't fight him initially. Because he might have not bend ready to fight him. I also don't imagine Whis stepping in unless Beerus was going to die.

[DragonBallLove]

What about that "if Kaioshin dies the Hakaishin dies also" mumbo jumbo? How does it worked for Beerus when 4 of 5 on-duty Kaioshin got absorbed (South, Dai) or killed (North, West) by Boo?

Perhaps the destruction of a Kaioshin weakens the Hakaishin, until the death of the all the former results in death for the later? If so, Beerus had to re-train itself to get to his "normal" strenght after the Boo affair.

[Pantalones]

I always figured that Beerus had to train to get as insanely strong as he is now (Whis said himself that not only did he train Beerus, but that Beerus hasn't yet mastered all of Whis's techniques like the whole "moving without thinking" thing -- so he's still technically "in training" despite being the second-strongest in all of Universe 7), so there might very well have been a time when Buu was stronger than Beerus. Especially considering that when the old Kaioshin was talking about being sealed, the Buu that currently existed was Super Buu, not the weaker Kid Buu or even-weaker Fat Buu. We don't know if the old Kaioshin was even aware of the original Buu or not, considering that Buu wasn't known to be active until long after he was sealed (when Bibidi summoned/"created" him around 5 million years ago.)

Considering that Beerus would've sealed the old Kaioshin in the sword a minimum of 75,000,000 years ago (it probably was much much longer -- like the 1 billion mentioned in the original post -- considering that East Kaioshin at an age of 5 million was still the young, inexperienced one), I'd say that's plenty of time for Beerus to have gone from "somewhere below Super Buu level" to his current way-up-there-insanely-strong strength. Heck, maybe Beerus had only just recently become the God of Destruction back then.

[nickzambuto]

I always figured that Beerus had to train to get as insanely strong as he is now (Whis said himself that not only did he train Beerus, but that Beerus hasn't yet mastered all of Whis's techniques like the whole "moving without thinking" thing -- so he's still technically "in training" despite being the second-strongest in all of Universe 7), so there might very well have been a time when Buu was stronger than Beerus. Especially considering that when the old Kaioshin was talking about being sealed, the Buu that currently existed was Super Buu, not the weaker Kid Buu or even-weaker Fat Buu. We don't know if the old Kaioshin was even aware of the original Buu or not, considering that Buu wasn't known to be active until long after he was sealed (when Bibidi summoned/"created" him around 5 million years ago.)

Considering that Beerus would've sealed the old Kaioshin in the sword a minimum of 75,000,000 years ago (it probably was much much longer -- like the 1 billion mentioned in the original post -- considering that East Kaioshin at an age of 5 million was still the young, inexperienced one), I'd say that's plenty of time for Beerus to have gone from "somewhere below Super Buu level" to his current way-up-there-insanely-strong strength. Heck, maybe Beerus had only just recently become the God of Destruction back then.

How could Super/Evil Boo have been around back then? The original being was Kid/Pure Boo, his first change happened when he became Buff Boo, and after that he went to Fat Boo. He then went into his hibernation. Super/Evil Boo didn't come into existence until his appearance in the series, he's basically the same entity as Fat Boo, but with the rageful part of his mind in control rather than the benevolent side.

[dbgtFO]

Especially considering that when the old Kaioshin was talking about being sealed, the Buu that currently existed was Super Buu, not the weaker Kid Buu or even-weaker Fat Buu. We don't know if the old Kaioshin was even aware of the original Buu or not, considering that Buu wasn't known to be active until long after he was sealed (when Bibidi summoned/"created" him around 5 million years ago.)

How could Super/Evil Boo have been around back then?

I thinl Pantalones is just remembering wrong, as he seems to be talking about the Buu that was around, when Elder Kaioshin was freed from the Z Sword.
Obviously the Buu that was around, when Elder Kaioshin was freed was still the fatso, as Goten and Trunks had yet to perform their first fusion.

[Pantalones]

I thinl Pantalones is just remembering wrong, as he seems to be talking about the Buu that was around, when Elder Kaioshin was freed from the Z Sword.
Obviously the Buu that was around, when Elder Kaioshin was freed was still the fatso, as Goten and Trunks had yet to perform their first fusion.

Yeah, I was thinking it was Super Buu since that's the one that was around when Gohan got his power-up -- forgot how fast all those form changes happened in the Buu saga, what with the whole thing happening over maybe a day or two's time. Just got mixed up a little since it's been a while since I've watched/read through that part of the Buu saga.

But yeah... since Buu wasn't known to have been rampaging during the old Kaioshin's time, he probably didn't ever see Buu (or sense his power) until after he was freed from the sword. So I figure he would be comparing his memory of way-way-waaaay-back-in-the-past Beerus to the Buu was currently around (which would be Fat Buu.) Which would mean Beerus must have been below SSj3 level at one point in the distant (hundred-millions to maybe even billions of years ago) past -- or at least he always suppressed his power to that level or below back then -- for the old Kaioshin to get the impression that the Beerus he knew at the time was weaker than Fat Buu.

(Of course, we really have no idea whether Buu was the strongest in the 7th universe when he first came into existence, because we don't really know when Buu first popped up or who else, if anyone, was around back then -- the newer information we've gotten implies that he's basically been around forever, with Bibidi only figuring out how to summon him rather than actually creating him.)

[dragon ball truth]

The beerus fanboys will let the idea of no one to be stronger than him than other gods, not counting goku and vegeta.

[Darkprince410]

The 14th before generations Kaioshin said that the guy who sealed him in Z sword (Beerus) wasn't strong as Majin Boo. It could be a plot hole (we do have a lot), but if you think...Majin Boo was created a long time ago (maybe millions years) or maybe he exists just in the begining of evverything. Each Kaioshin lives arround 75.000 years. So the old Kaioshin should fought Beerus at arround 1 billion years ago (Beerus could be weaker than Boo at 1 billion years ago like the old Kaioshin said).

What Rou Kaioushin said is somewhat left open to interpretation, as he said that the then unidentified person was a "ridiculously strong and ba~~~ad dude. Well, not as much as this Majin Boo guy now", which can be taken as one of three ways.

1) Beerus back then wasn't as strong as Fat Buu was right then.

2) Beerus back then wasn't as bad as Fat Buu was right then.

3) Beerus was neither as bad or as strong as Fat Buu was right then.

Additionally, it's the Kaiou that live to be around 75,000 years, for while he said that in the Twel-Buu Mysteries that it was the Kaioushin, if the Kaioushin only lived for about 75,000 years, he's also said that specifically about the Kaiou before as well. Additionally, if the Kaioushin only lived for about 75,000 years, that would mean that mankind on Earth went from barely walking on two legs to Buu arc technology in less than 75,000 years, as Kaioushin indicated that Buu was "created" by Bibi-di (though we know it as him being released) at a time when mankind was just starting to walk on two legs, and Buu's creating/release was within East Kaioushin's lifespan (the youngest of the Kaioushin at the time). Jumping that drastically in such a short time seems like an insane stretch, especially when you compare it to real life, where it took man millions of years to go from the start of bipedal locomotion to present day.

Perhaps the destruction of a Kaioshin weakens the Hakaishin, until the death of the all the former results in death for the later? If so, Beerus had to re-train itself to get to his "normal" strenght after the Boo affair.

If something like that had happened, you would think that Beerus would have investigated what transpired with the Kaioushin, but East Kaioushin's lack of familiarity with him (having heard "of" him, but not having seen him) indicates that Beerus made no such investigation