"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Draconic]

Interesting. So is there any specific reason why the changes stopped being rung after the main fight started? Because honestly the changes they made were not important it was the latter part of the movie that needed major changes.

If I were to guess it was to fix the plot-holes/inconsistencies of the movie. Like Shenron's two wishes, the 1,5 million line, stuff like that.

[HeroR]

The arc isn't over, we have no idea if it will break time travel rules yet. As for this Hell nonsense there are very few people who are going to agree with you over GT non being canon due to that. Of all the reasons if that is you're primary one it's likely you just don't want it to be which is a personal preference. There is more than enough material like that to make the series non canon between each other.

Whether people want to live in denial about GT isn't my business or concern. I have already proven why Super and GT can't happened together. You don't want to believe, whatever. I don't give two shits about GT either way. You're the one trying to make a circle fit into a square hole, especially with you trying to say that Toei will somehow make GT work, despite Toriyama writing the story and he has already overrided a bunch of Toei's material.

And we already know Super doesn't break the time travel rules, since the freaking rules were acknowledged in-universe with the creation of the green Time Rings. Meaning that the changing the past making a new timeline still happens. All Super has done is expand on the rules since we have never seen anyone travel to the future and change stuff.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Handing someone a finished rough script without their input is more than floating ideas, as for the other two arcs we do not know the extent as the production wasn't detailed, but there is no reason to assume the production methods or two arcs would be drastically different. I'm sure the levels of input may be but it's a stretch to think they suddenly switched their active production method for two arcs just because.

But we know that the story was completely different in the original script, and Toriyama took the basic concepts & wrote the story he wanted to tell, and BoG was even officially stated to be considered a Toriyama story. We also know that Toriyama took suggestions for the Future Trunks arc. And we know that FnF & the U6 arcs (movie & outline respectively) are his ideas alone.

Look I get it, everyone wants this to be Toriyamas original solo story soooooooo bad to make it "canon" but I mean geez we shouldn't be delusional about how the production process looks. We don't know the full story, but when they go into detail on it , the original concepts typically come from Toei.

And you talk as if these are Toei stories with Toriyama's input, as if you want them to be non-canon sooooo bad.

I'm not talking about canon here at all, I'm talking about facts. The ideas are from Toei is 2 out of 4 arcs, but the story is from Toriyama, with expansions/changes/additions by Toei in the final product when it comes to the anime. We don't need them to be 100% Toriyama to be canon anyway, as Toriyama has made it very clear that these new stories are part of the same story he told in his original manga, unlike the movies & GT.

But as far as the Super anime goes, Toei has the final say, not Toriyama (unlike with the movies & Super manga). Toriyama doesn't approve the final scripts.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I feel the opposite, the late half of Resurrection 'F' was fine for me. Then again, I also don't believe Vegeta 'deserves' anything.

Don't get me wrong there's a lot of stuff needed changing in the first half but they chose all the wrong ones. We didn't get any information about Freeza training other than he almost murdered Tagoma, we absolutely didn't get anything but one tease for SSGSS. Development was needed for the Freeza men and looked like we got that then boom! Ginyu happened then all that got stripped away. Then the big Z fight scene losing all the excitement and being half assed. Then introducing Goten and Trunks which again one of the changes they needed but then like Ginyu got ruined and they disappeared. And the worst one of the lot. Piccolo dying for ANOTHER Z THROWBACK!

Despite all that I was still curious about the main fight but it pretty much played out exactly like the movie, just eliminating Freeza's weakness would have been fine. But nope.

What needed to happen:
Genuine development for Freeza henchmen.
Genuine showcase of Freeza trianing.
Genuine explanation for SSGSS.
No Freeza weakness.
No laser at all.
No time rewind.
Satisfying end to Freeza's life.

[HeroR]

Handing someone a finished rough script without their input is more than floating ideas, as for the other two arcs we do not know the extent as the production wasn't detailed, but there is no reason to assume the production methods or two arcs would be drastically different. I'm sure the levels of input may be but it's a stretch to think they suddenly switched their active production method for two arcs just because.

But we know that the story was completely different in the original script, and Toriyama took the basic concepts & wrote the story he wanted to tell, and BoG was even officially stated to be considered a Toriyama story. We also know that Toriyama took suggestions for the Future Trunks arc. And we know that FnF & the U6 arcs (movie & outline respectively) are his ideas alone.

Look I get it, everyone wants this to be Toriyamas original solo story soooooooo bad to make it "canon" but I mean geez we shouldn't be delusional about how the production process looks. We don't know the full story, but when they go into detail on it , the original concepts typically come from Toei.

And you talk as if these are Toei stories with Toriyama's input, as if you want them to be non-canon sooooo bad.

I'm not talking about canon here at all, I'm talking about facts. The ideas are from Toei is 2 out of 4 arcs, but the story is from Toriyama, with expansions/changes/additions by Toei in the final product when it comes to the anime. We don't need them to be 100% Toriyama to be canon anyway, as Toriyama has made it very clear that these new stories are part of the same story he told in his original manga, unlike the movies & GT.

But as far as the Super anime goes, Toei has the final say, not Toriyama (unlike with the movies & Super manga). Toriyama doesn't approve the final scripts.

And to add to this, Toriyama doesn't even necessarily have to write the story for it be 'canon' to his work. For example, if Toriyama came out today said that GT is part of his world in the original manga, then it would be. It doesn't matter that he didn't write it or direct it, just his word makes it so since he is the original author. It happens all the time when people write expanded universes. Even the person who wrote Naruto has other writers doing sequels to his work and he considers them canon.

[HeroR]

I feel the opposite, the late half of Resurrection 'F' was fine for me. Then again, I also don't believe Vegeta 'deserves' anything.

Don't get me wrong there's a lot of stuff needed changing in the first half but they chose all the wrong ones. We didn't get any information about Freeza training other than he almost murdered Tagoma, we absolutely didn't get anything but one tease for SSGSS. Development was needed for the Freeza men and looked like we got that then boom! Ginyu happened then all that got stripped away. Then the big Z fight scene losing all the excitement and being half assed. Then introducing Goten and Trunks which again one of the changes they needed but then like Ginyu got ruined and they disappeared. And the worst one of the lot. Piccolo dying for ANOTHER Z THROWBACK!

Despite all that I was still curious about the main fight but it pretty much played out exactly like the movie, just eliminating Freeza's weakness would have been fine. But nope.

What needed to happen:
Genuine development for Freeza henchmen.
Genuine showcase of Freeza trianing.
Genuine explanation for SSGSS.
No Freeza weakness.
No laser at all.
No time rewind.
Satisfying end to Freeza's life.

Personally, I didn't want or need to see Freeza's training. Leave it up to imagination what he did.

The laser and rewind were all part of exploiting the flaws in Goku and Vegeta as fighters. One being too relaxed and one being too uptight. Goku, one of the mightiest beings in the universe, being taken down by a common ray gun is supposed to be humiliating and humbling.

Freeza is a douche he didn't need or deserved as satisfying end. He died pathetically because he was a spoil brat who didn't master his power, just like what happened on Namek. Freeza not mastering his golden form and having it do him in is poetic justice.

In the end, Goku, Vegeta, and Freeza were done in by their fatal flaws, the one they all shared being their pride, which was what made the movie great for me. The only reason why Goku came out ahead is because of Whis, and still had to watch his planet blow up because of his carelessness.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I feel the opposite, the late half of Resurrection 'F' was fine for me. Then again, I also don't believe Vegeta 'deserves' anything.

Don't get me wrong there's a lot of stuff needed changing in the first half but they chose all the wrong ones. We didn't get any information about Freeza training other than he almost murdered Tagoma, we absolutely didn't get anything but one tease for SSGSS. Development was needed for the Freeza men and looked like we got that then boom! Ginyu happened then all that got stripped away. Then the big Z fight scene losing all the excitement and being half assed. Then introducing Goten and Trunks which again one of the changes they needed but then like Ginyu got ruined and they disappeared. And the worst one of the lot. Piccolo dying for ANOTHER Z THROWBACK!

Despite all that I was still curious about the main fight but it pretty much played out exactly like the movie, just eliminating Freeza's weakness would have been fine. But nope.

What needed to happen:
Genuine development for Freeza henchmen.
Genuine showcase of Freeza trianing.
Genuine explanation for SSGSS.
No Freeza weakness.
No laser at all.
No time rewind.
Satisfying end to Freeza's life.

Personally, I didn't want or need to see Freeza's training. Leave it up to imagination what he did.

The laser and rewind were all part of exploiting the flaws in Goku and Vegeta as fighters. One being too relaxed and one being too uptight. Goku, one of the mightiest beings in the universe, being taken down by a common ray gun is supposed to be humiliating and humbling.

Freeza is a douche he didn't need or deserved as satisfying end. He died pathetically because he was a spoil brat who didn't master his power, just like what happened on Namek. Freeza not mastering his golden form and having it do him in is poetic justice.

I get your first two points but that's why the movie exists but when you have opportunity to expand the story into an arc something like Freeza's training is needed. Also the laser thing was a quick way to showcase weakness in the movie but as I said for an opportunity like these they could have done something far more interesting.

And by satisfying end for Freeza I meant in terms of how he died... by a sole Kamehama. Boring.

[HeroR]

I get your first two points but that's why the movie exists but when you have opportunity to expand the story into an arc something like Freeza's training is needed. Also the laser thing was a quick way to showcase weakness in the movie but as I said for an opportunity like these they could have done something far more interesting.

And by satisfying end for Freeza I meant in terms of how he died... by a sole Kamehama. Boring.

Like I said, I don't really care about the training Freeza did. We didn't see Vegeta and Trunks' training when they went into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, so why is Freeza needs a training montage? We also never saw the training Goku did to reached Super Saiyan 3, or what exactly did Piccolo do beside meditate on on King Kai's planet. Heck, no one wondered about the type of training Piccolo did during the three years before the androids that took him from being weaker than 3rd form Freeza, to beating around Android 20 who is supposed to be stronger than final form Freeza.

The laser works because it's meant to be quick and lackluster. Goku, physical god, taking down by a single laser. As Freeza said in the dub, 'how pathetic does that feel?'.

Boring, but still well-deserved on Freeza's part. He didn't mastered his golden form, he get's an anticlimax end. Besides, it's a running gag for him at this point. How he was defeated on Namek was pathetic; cut to pieces on his own attack, forced to beg a lowly monkey for help, being blasted by said monkey after he was dumb enough to shoot him in the back, and then having a planet explode on him. And when he returns as a cyborg wanting revenge, he gets cut into cold cuts and blasted to Hell. Freeza will never have a climatic end despite being the dreaded of the universe.

But this is all my opinion. I do agree that I wanted Freeza's men to have more development and Ginyu went too fast. But I personally liked what they added to the Resurrection 'F' Saga. Although the Z-Fighters battle can't even be compared to the movie, the story element of the fight was a great improvement. Like, I was upset that Freeza nor Krillin didn't have more of a reaction to each other. The same with Gohan and Freeza.

[JulieYBM]

Battle of Gods (the movie) was originally written by Yusuke Watanabe, but then Toriyama came in and changed things around to fit the story he wanted to tell. That means no more lizard Beerus and no caped SSJ God.

Resurrection 'F' is entirely Toriyama's story from start to finish.

The anime adaptations and their changes for these movies are not Toriyama's. In the case of Resurrection 'F', those changes were actually specifically asked for by Kozo Morishita according to my sources.

Regarding Universe 6, Toriyama said "I’ve written a strange new story where they finally depart from this universe. They’re fighting against their neighbors, Universe 6!", this is a stark contrast to what he said for the Future Trunks arc: "I put together this story based on a suggestion from the editorial office." I think that's an important difference to make here.

Regarding how the production works, it's pretty simple, and Toriyama outlines it himself: "I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be." That's pretty standard and the script credits each week confirm this.

Much like Battle of Gods, Super's original arcs are a big collaborative process. The balance between Toei and Toriyama probably slides back and forth, but it's impossible to say for sure. You can't make predictions based on this kinda stuff.

Yeah, I seriously doubt that it was Toriyama's idea to include Gokuu's friends and family calling out his name at the end of the battle with Beers during Kami to Kami. That seems like the sort of thing that is inline with previous Toei adaptions. That Watanabe Yuusuke is still credited for the script makes me think he was still had influence on the script, too.

[TheMikado]

The arc isn't over, we have no idea if it will break time travel rules yet. As for this Hell nonsense there are very few people who are going to agree with you over GT non being canon due to that. Of all the reasons if that is you're primary one it's likely you just don't want it to be which is a personal preference. There is more than enough material like that to make the series non canon between each other.

Whether people want to live in denial about GT isn't my business or concern. I have already proven why Super and GT can't happened together. You don't want to believe, whatever. I don't give two shits about GT either way. You're the one trying to make a circle fit into a square hole, especially with you trying to say that Toei will somehow make GT work, despite Toriyama writing the story and he has already overrided a bunch of Toei's material.

And we already know Super doesn't break the time travel rules, since the freaking rules were acknowledged in-universe with the creation of the green Time Rings. Meaning that the changing the past making a new timeline still happens. All Super has done is expand on the rules since we have never seen anyone travel to the future and change stuff.

So than Dragonball Minus and Z aren't in the same continuity. My point is idea of "canon" is soooooo ludicrous when the creator of it doesn't care either.

And you talk as if these are Toei stories with Toriyama's input, as if you want them to be non-canon sooooo bad.

I'm not the one who started this incredibly unbelievable asinine discussion on canon and what rules to follow. I only did it in response to the ludicrous reasoning for GT not be able able to be canon because of Hell. It's the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard for that argument when you have things like DB Minus changing origin stories.. like come on. I don't care one lick around "canon" my entire argument from the get gonis show how arbitrary the rules for canonical material is as long as 1) that person likes it and 2) they THINK Toriyama created it.... the rules for this have very little credible merit for why they qualify or not in someone's head canon other than personal preference. That's pretty much my entire point.

[alakazam^]

So than Dragonball Minus and Z aren't in the same continuity. My point is idea of "canon" is soooooo ludicrous when the creator of it doesn't care either.

Of course not, the only relevant continuity for the story is the manga. But why doesn't Minus fit into the manga continuity?

[ekrolo2]

So than Dragonball Minus and Z aren't in the same continuity. My point is idea of "canon" is soooooo ludicrous when the creator of it doesn't care either.

Of course not, the only relevant continuity for the story is the manga. But why doesn't Minus fit into the manga continuity?

I think he meant that Minus doesn't fit in with Z as the anime constantly/consistently uses the TV special as its backstory for how Planet Vegeta got destroyed and for Bardock.

Minus can kind of fit if you don't make a big deal of the fact Bardcok from the TV special shows up in a single page that's copy & pasted directly from the animated version.

[alakazam^]

I think he meant that Minus doesn't fit in with Z as the anime constantly/consistently uses the TV special as its backstory for how Planet Vegeta got destroyed and for Bardock.

Sure but why lump Minus with the anime?

[kinisking]

I feel the opposite, the late half of Resurrection 'F' was fine for me. Then again, I also don't believe Vegeta 'deserves' anything.

Don't get me wrong there's a lot of stuff needed changing in the first half but they chose all the wrong ones. We didn't get any information about Freeza training other than he almost murdered Tagoma, we absolutely didn't get anything but one tease for SSGSS. Development was needed for the Freeza men and looked like we got that then boom! Ginyu happened then all that got stripped away. Then the big Z fight scene losing all the excitement and being half assed. Then introducing Goten and Trunks which again one of the changes they needed but then like Ginyu got ruined and they disappeared. And the worst one of the lot. Piccolo dying for ANOTHER Z THROWBACK!

Despite all that I was still curious about the main fight but it pretty much played out exactly like the movie, just eliminating Freeza's weakness would have been fine. But nope.

What needed to happen:
Genuine development for Freeza henchmen.
Genuine showcase of Freeza trianing.
Genuine explanation for SSGSS.
No Freeza weakness.
No laser at all.
No time rewind.
Satisfying end to Freeza's life.

I agree besides for a few things.
What I think needed to happen:
"Genuine development for Freeza henchmen" Agree on this 100%.

"Genuine showcase of Freeza trianing" 100% also! I would have liked Freeza getting so strong so quick if we actually got to see him doing some intense things. Would have been perfect if he mirrored Goku's training by getting a master, learning kaioken or something like that, getting his potential unlocked.

"Genuine explanation for SSGSS." This was a big mistake, I would have loved to see them aquire the transformation.

"No Freeza weakness." Eh, I kind of liked that. It showed how rash he was being, and Goku taking advantage of that was pretty smart.

"No laser at all." Also disagree, would have been better if they said that Freeza put his ki into the ring!

"No time rewind." I disagree again, it was cool to see Freeza be smart and destroy the planet.
Satisfying end to Freeza's life. I agree, Vegeta should have done it. I'm not one to complain about it, but c'mon.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I feel the opposite, the late half of Resurrection 'F' was fine for me. Then again, I also don't believe Vegeta 'deserves' anything.

Don't get me wrong there's a lot of stuff needed changing in the first half but they chose all the wrong ones. We didn't get any information about Freeza training other than he almost murdered Tagoma, we absolutely didn't get anything but one tease for SSGSS. Development was needed for the Freeza men and looked like we got that then boom! Ginyu happened then all that got stripped away. Then the big Z fight scene losing all the excitement and being half assed. Then introducing Goten and Trunks which again one of the changes they needed but then like Ginyu got ruined and they disappeared. And the worst one of the lot. Piccolo dying for ANOTHER Z THROWBACK!

Despite all that I was still curious about the main fight but it pretty much played out exactly like the movie, just eliminating Freeza's weakness would have been fine. But nope.

What needed to happen:
Genuine development for Freeza henchmen.
Genuine showcase of Freeza trianing.
Genuine explanation for SSGSS.
No Freeza weakness.
No laser at all.
No time rewind.
Satisfying end to Freeza's life.

I agree besides for a few things.
What I think needed to happen:
"Genuine development for Freeza henchmen" Agree on this 100%.

"Genuine showcase of Freeza trianing" 100% also! I would have liked Freeza getting so strong so quick if we actually got to see him doing some intense things. Would have been perfect if he mirrored Goku's training by getting a master, learning kaioken or something like that, getting his potential unlocked.

"Genuine explanation for SSGSS." This was a big mistake, I would have loved to see them aquire the transformation.

"No Freeza weakness." Eh, I kind of liked that. It showed how rash he was being, and Goku taking advantage of that was pretty smart.

"No laser at all." Also disagree, would have been better if they said that Freeza put his ki into the ring!

"No time rewind." I disagree again, it was cool to see Freeza be smart and destroy the planet.
Satisfying end to Freeza's life. I agree, Vegeta should have done it. I'm not one to complain about it, but c'mon.

Yeah you're right about the Freeza weakness but having seen the movie 20 times prior I probably wanted something a lil different.

Though a way to keep the weakness and have the laser scene would be to have Goku not spot Freeza has a weakness then Freeza distracts Goku and lasers him with his own figures and thus does that torture stuff as normal but when Vegeta comes on he then mentions the weakness and the fight pretty much plays out how the second half of the Goku Freeza fight did in the movie except after Freeza's tantrum no laser, Vegeta about to kill then boom Freeza blows up the planet.

No time rewind reason I say that is we need the loss of Earth to sink in so instead of Whis rewinding team straight away have em look at the namekians DBs or something.

[kinisking]

Don't get me wrong there's a lot of stuff needed changing in the first half but they chose all the wrong ones. We didn't get any information about Freeza training other than he almost murdered Tagoma, we absolutely didn't get anything but one tease for SSGSS. Development was needed for the Freeza men and looked like we got that then boom! Ginyu happened then all that got stripped away. Then the big Z fight scene losing all the excitement and being half assed. Then introducing Goten and Trunks which again one of the changes they needed but then like Ginyu got ruined and they disappeared. And the worst one of the lot. Piccolo dying for ANOTHER Z THROWBACK!

Despite all that I was still curious about the main fight but it pretty much played out exactly like the movie, just eliminating Freeza's weakness would have been fine. But nope.

What needed to happen:
Genuine development for Freeza henchmen.
Genuine showcase of Freeza trianing.
Genuine explanation for SSGSS.
No Freeza weakness.
No laser at all.
No time rewind.
Satisfying end to Freeza's life.

I agree besides for a few things.
What I think needed to happen:
"Genuine development for Freeza henchmen" Agree on this 100%.

"Genuine showcase of Freeza trianing" 100% also! I would have liked Freeza getting so strong so quick if we actually got to see him doing some intense things. Would have been perfect if he mirrored Goku's training by getting a master, learning kaioken or something like that, getting his potential unlocked.

"Genuine explanation for SSGSS." This was a big mistake, I would have loved to see them aquire the transformation.

"No Freeza weakness." Eh, I kind of liked that. It showed how rash he was being, and Goku taking advantage of that was pretty smart.

"No laser at all." Also disagree, would have been better if they said that Freeza put his ki into the ring!

"No time rewind." I disagree again, it was cool to see Freeza be smart and destroy the planet.
Satisfying end to Freeza's life. I agree, Vegeta should have done it. I'm not one to complain about it, but c'mon.

Yeah you're right about the Freeza weakness but having seen the movie 20 times prior I probably wanted something a lil different.

Though a way to keep the weakness and have the laser scene would be to have Goku not spot Freeza has a weakness then Freeza distracts Goku and lasers him with his own figures and thus does that torture stuff as normal but when Vegeta comes on he then mentions the weakness and the fight pretty much plays out how the second half of the Goku Freeza fight did in the movie except after Freeza's tantrum no laser, Vegeta about to kill then boom Freeza blows up the planet.

No time rewind reason I say that is we need the loss of Earth to sink in so instead of Whis rewinding team straight away have em look at the namekians DBs or something.

I want Goku to realize the weakness, he's smarter than Vegeta.
If you put it that way, I can get behind not having any time rewind.

[HeroR]

The arc isn't over, we have no idea if it will break time travel rules yet. As for this Hell nonsense there are very few people who are going to agree with you over GT non being canon due to that. Of all the reasons if that is you're primary one it's likely you just don't want it to be which is a personal preference. There is more than enough material like that to make the series non canon between each other.

Whether people want to live in denial about GT isn't my business or concern. I have already proven why Super and GT can't happened together. You don't want to believe, whatever. I don't give two shits about GT either way. You're the one trying to make a circle fit into a square hole, especially with you trying to say that Toei will somehow make GT work, despite Toriyama writing the story and he has already overrided a bunch of Toei's material.

And we already know Super doesn't break the time travel rules, since the freaking rules were acknowledged in-universe with the creation of the green Time Rings. Meaning that the changing the past making a new timeline still happens. All Super has done is expand on the rules since we have never seen anyone travel to the future and change stuff.

So than Dragonball Minus and Z aren't in the same continuity. My point is idea of "canon" is soooooo ludicrous when the creator of it doesn't care either.

And you talk as if these are Toei stories with Toriyama's input, as if you want them to be non-canon sooooo bad.

I'm not the one who started this incredibly unbelievable asinine discussion on canon and what rules to follow. I only did it in response to the ludicrous reasoning for GT not be able able to be canon because of Hell. It's the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard for that argument when you have things like DB Minus changing origin stories.. like come on. I don't care one lick around "canon" my entire argument from the get gonis show how arbitrary the rules for canonical material is as long as 1) that person likes it and 2) they THINK Toriyama created it.... the rules for this have very little credible merit for why they qualify or not in someone's head canon other than personal preference. That's pretty much my entire point.

Minus didn't really change Goku's origins. People still think he was sent to Earth to wipe it out and the only people who knows the truth are Gine and Bardock, who are both dead. Raditz can just as easily assumed that Goku was sent to wipe the Earth since that was the only reason why Saiyan children were sent out. Also, Minus follows the manga, not the Z anime. The proper word is rewrite, not retcon.

And, guess what, since Toriyama is the original author he can retcon anything he wants. You cannot care about canon all you want, but the fact remains, Super and GT don't work together. You can love GT all you want, but it doesn't happened in the same storyline as Super.

Don't like it. Tough.

[HECTOR4]

Can someone translate this, please?:

現代のザマスと再び対面した悟空達。多くを語らずその場を後にするも、ビルスは明確にザマスの殺意を感じとる。すぐにゴワスを助けに行こうと悟空は訴えるが…。

From Fuji TV website:

http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball ... index.html

[TheMikado]

And, guess what, since Toriyama is the original author he can retcon anything he wants. You cannot care about canon all you want, but the fact remains, Super and GT don't work together. You can love GT all you want, but it doesn't happened in the same storyline as Super.

Don't like it. Tough.

Except you don't know that yet, but of course should it happen to be determined to be part of the same storyline I hope you also take it with the same sentiment you stated to me. It's NEVER stated it's not in the same storyline or continuity but as I said, it's not over yet and if things happen like I'm predicting there's a good chance Toei will design the end of Super to allow GT to still occur in the same continuity but yes it will be tough for some people and I look forward to retrieving this post at a later should that occur.

Your assertion that GT is not part of he main storyline or is in different continuity is per MYTH until stated otherwise. As stated, your claim is plain false.

[HeroR]

Except you don't know that yet but of course shouldn't happen to become part of the same storyline I home you also take it with the same sentiment you stated to me. It's NEVER stated it's not in the same storyline or continuity but as I said, it's not over yet and if things happen like I'm predicting there's a good chance Toei will design the end of Super to allow GT to still occur in the same continuity but yes it will be tough for some people and I look forward to retrieving this post at a later should that occur.

I don't have to be told, it's called common sense. The Hell example is just the most standout example:

- How did Myuu meet Gero if he's stuck to a tree?

- Are they even in the same Hell since Freeza kept saying Earth's Hell and Myuu didn't die on Earth?

- How did they find the materials to make a second 17 in a flower field, while still trapped to a tree.

- How did everyone escaped Hell with their power intact despite Freeza specifically saying that he was stripped of his power and when he was revived, he came back as a zig saw puzzle? And even with a pathway opened, how did they get out of their trees?

- What happened to Freeza's golden form when he fought Goku in Hell?

You keep claiming you don't care about canon, so what difference does it make to you that Super doesn't work with GT?

And why would Toei connect Super to GT, where GT wasn't that popular outside of a few characters, story ideas, and Super Saiyan 4. From a business point-of-view that makes little sense. It would be like Toei trying to tie in all their Sailor Moon and Digimon spinoffs (hint, they don't. They treat the different versions as AUs, unless specifically stated).