"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TheMikado]

Except you don't know that yet but of course shouldn't happen to become part of the same storyline I home you also take it with the same sentiment you stated to me. It's NEVER stated it's not in the same storyline or continuity but as I said, it's not over yet and if things happen like I'm predicting there's a good chance Toei will design the end of Super to allow GT to still occur in the same continuity but yes it will be tough for some people and I look forward to retrieving this post at a later should that occur.

I don't have to be told, it's called common sense. The Hell example is just the most standout example:

- How did Myuu meet Gero if he's stuck to a tree?

- Are they even in the same Hell since Freeza kept saying Earth's Hell and Myuu didn't die on Earth?

- How did they find the materials to make a second 17 in a flower field, while still trapped to a tree.

- How did everyone escaped Hell with their power intact despite Freeza specifically saying that he was stripped of his power and when he was revived, he came back as a zig saw puzzle? And even with a pathway opened, how did they get out of their trees?

- What happened to Freeza's golden form when he fought Goku in Hell?

You keep claiming you don't care about canon, so what difference does it make to you that Super doesn't work with GT?

And why would Toei connect Super to GT, where GT wasn't that popular outside of a few characters, story ideas, and Super Saiyan 4. From a business point-of-view that makes little sense. It would be like Toei trying to tie in all their Sailor Moon and Digimon spinoffs (hint, they don't. They treat the different versions as AUs, unless specifically stated).

Seriously dude?? Look I can do it too

Beerus claims to have wiped out dinosaurs on Earth. However, Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z show that dinosaurs still exist on Earth.
Earth has continents that match the size and location of those in the real world. This is different than the Dragon World geography seen in Dragon Ball.

Therefore Super can't be canon and in the same continuity as the other series....

As for why Toei would want to keep a series which they already produced and have material and merchandise for relevant? $$$

Like seriously the point I'm making is you can literally do exactly what you just did with ANY of the series and make the same argument. It's no different. I don't care about canon but if you apply the logic you are using the the entire series then Z isn't canon to the original and Super isn't either.

[Ajay]

The way you're talking to one another is totally unacceptable. Cut it out.

Moreover, this thread is for discussion about announcements regarding Dragon Ball Super, it is not a general purpose dumping ground.

If you want to continue this conversation elsewhere, then that's fine, but the tone of your posts needs to drastically change.

[sophitia]

Can someone translate this, please?:

現代のザマスと再び対面した悟空達。多くを語らずその場を後にするも、ビルスは明確にザマスの殺意を感じとる。すぐにゴワスを助けに行こうと悟空は訴えるが…。

From Fuji TV website:

http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball ... index.html

I'll try to translate it with my limited English.

Goku and co meet present Zamasu again. Beerus leave without saying much eventhough he clearly feels Zamasu's killing intent. Goku insist to go help Gowasu but...

[HECTOR4]

Can someone translate this, please?:

現代のザマスと再び対面した悟空達。多くを語らずその場を後にするも、ビルスは明確にザマスの殺意を感じとる。すぐにゴワスを助けに行こうと悟空は訴えるが…。

From Fuji TV website:

http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball ... index.html

I'll try to translate it with my limited English.

Goku and co meet present Zamasu again. Beerus leave without saying much eventhough he clearly feels Zamasu's killing intent. Goku insist to go help Gowasu but...

Thank you very much, Sophitia ^^

[SSJ6Goku]

It sucks theres no episode this week! We need a double episode to make up

[Neon Z]

As for why Toei would want to keep a series which they already produced and have material and merchandise for relevant? $$$

The problem is that the only endings that would make Super lead to GT would need to basically erase Super, making Super irrelevant and denying every development from it. Either through erasing time or by multiple retcons that would basically make Super irrelevant in the same way. It makes no sense to crash and burn the ending of their new show in order to tie it in with the series that killed Dragonball last decade.

Like seriously the point I'm making is you can literally do exactly what you just did with ANY of the series and make the same argument. It's no different. I don't care about canon but if you apply the logic you are using the the entire series then Z isn't canon to the original and Super isn't either.

Toriyama hasn't shown any willingness to acknowledge GT though, or even old anime material in general. Recently, he even wrote Minus, not caring about avoiding contradictions with the original Bardock Special. The idea they'd suddenly go out of their way to attempt to make them fit together just doesn't fit with what we're seeing. Now, Toei's staff has referenced the anime with Super, but they clearly stop at minor things (they didn't change Freeza's hell scenes to match the Z filler hell, for example) while changing the ending to lead into GT would be really big in many ways.

Really, Super can't even bother promoting the whole Time Patrol story running through the current games and you think they'll go out of their way to make things match up with an old show?

[vashter]

https://images5.alphacoders.com/606/thu ... 606985.jpg

Found this when i got bored I thought it was cool and broly on top left with whis symbol on gi.

[Bullza]

I've seen those "Gods of Destruction" used a lot in fan made artwork. You can easily tell which of those was designed by Toriyama. Outside of possibly the white wolf, they just don't look a damn thing like something Toriyama would design. Broly's outfit ain't too bad though.

[Lujin_16]

Have you heard this theme piano in the series ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcZrT9CV8ZM I never heard that in the series

[Ajay]

Have you heard this theme piano in the series ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcZrT9CV8ZM I never heard that in the series

No. For whatever reason, a lot of amateur musicians like to pass off their work as official, likely for the sake of gathering more views.

[FortuneSSJ]

It sucks theres no episode this week! We need a double episode to make up

No we don't. What we need is the production to be as good as possible to have more fantastic episodes like 56 and 57.
God shall give them more weeks off.

[HeroR]

It sucks theres no episode this week! We need a double episode to make up

No we don't. What we need is the production to be as good as possible to have more fantastic episodes like 56 and 57.
God shall give them more weeks off.

You are aware that they don't spend breaks drawing episodes or even doing production? They move on to other shows.

[Ajay]

You are aware that they don't spend breaks drawing episodes or even doing production? They move on to other shows.

That isn't what happens.

The only time regular animators would ever move across to another show would be during several months worth of break time.

The argument you're using only applies to people looking for seasonal anime and expect that to result in movie-quality.

[FortuneSSJ]

You are aware that they don't spend breaks drawing episodes or even doing production? They move on to other shows.

Seeing how the overall quality is improving greatly, I'm not sure about that.

A quality fight like Goku and FT Trunks vs Black and Zamasu would never happen in Super early days.

[HeroR]

You are aware that they don't spend breaks drawing episodes or even doing production? They move on to other shows.

Seeing how the overall quality is improving greatly, I'm not sure about that.

A quality fight like Goku and FT Trunks vs Black and Zamasu would never happen in Super early days.

We got the Beerus vs. Super Saiyan God Goku fight that had many great moments. Most of the stuff in the retellings were also half effort animation wise, since the animation overall went up as soon as the Champa Saga started.

You are aware that they don't spend breaks drawing episodes or even doing production? They move on to other shows.

That isn't what happens.

The only time regular animators would ever move across to another show would be during several months worth of break time.

The argument you're using only applies to people looking for seasonal anime and expect that to result in movie-quality.

I remember the person who voices Goku saying how animators took breaks with them and didn't continue to work on the show.

[Ajay]

I remember the person who voices Goku saying how animators took breaks with them and didn't continue to work on the show.

You'd have to find me a source on that because I feel there's some very important context missing. That's not very normal, at least not these days.

Much like recap episodes, these breaks drastically help a series like Super. They'd absolutely never throw away opportunities like that.

[VegettoEX]

Nah, I remember a similar thing, but I'm blanking on its timeframe or context. There's definitely something somewhere that has Nozawa explaining how they got back from a week off and nothing new had been done on the rest of the production side.

[FortuneSSJ]

We got the Beerus vs. Super Saiyan God Goku fight that had many great moments. Most of the stuff in the retellings were also half effort animation wise, since the animation overall went up as soon as the Champa Saga started.

Still in Champa arc, we had the terrible Goku vs Botamo (that like Herms said, the manga was better animated) and the disappointing summoning of Super Shenlong.
Black following FT Trunks had much more animation than that and we still didn't have a worse fight than Goku vs Botamo since then.

I agree with Beerus vs. Super Saiyan God Goku part though, but let's not forget how terrible Base Goku vs Final Form Freeza fight was, for example too.

[Ajay]

Nah, I remember a similar thing, but I'm blanking on its timeframe or context. There's definitely something somewhere that has Nozawa explaining how they got back from a week off and nothing new had been done on the rest of the production side.

I'm so interested to see this. Like, I can totally see that happening for the older series where a week off wouldn't have been the biggest deal in the world, but for a series like Super? That would genuinely blow my mind.

EDIT: Found it.

Then there was a one-week break, and I got my hopes up, that “today I bet there will be visuals,” but I went, and sure enough, there weren’t. I asked, “why is that, after we had a week off?!” and he told me, “The staff were also off.” (laughs)

Okay, yeah. Z-era and what sounds like a planned week off. That's definitely not normal these days, though. If the many making-ofs I've watched are anything to go by, then staff are plugging away and are excited to get ahead of things when a break pops up.

[dbgtFO]

Still in Champa arc, we had the terrible Goku vs Botamo (that like Herms said, the manga was better animated)

I know what you mean, but that's a poor choice of word, perhaps storyboarded would be the better term?
Unless it was a joke of course...